Need help for noticable pores that look like fine wrinkles!
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Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:08 pm

Hi people. I'm new to this but very desperate and need your help please. I have recently turned 30 and have noticed fine wrinkle like lines near my cheeks and nose which look horrible (after research on images I know they are pores and maybe the collagen is collapsing in my skin?) I feel terribly insecure as prior to this I used to dabble in photographic work.
I see them a lot if I smile (so am looking grumpy 247 due to being paranoid!) and when I use my foundation or a spray tan they obviously settle in the pores. I use primer. Benefits porefressional and others. My skin care regime consists of cleansing,toning and moisturizing but I also use rose hip oil for a facial massage. I think that might not be helping but where my pores are (t zone) are the driest part of my face! I'm at my wits end and considering laser a swell.I know I sound melodramatic but I am so stressed as I pride myself in my appearance. Any suggestions for a skin care regime that might help? Thanking you in advance... Confused

free skin care · Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:55 am

IMO something is not right if your T-zone is the driest part of your face, this is the best served with sebaceous glands. Can you please list all the products you use on your face? Do you consistently meet or exceed all your government's recommendations for healthy eating and lifestyle? Have you consulted your family doctor or a dermatologist to make sure you do not have an underlying skin complaint?

Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:12 am

My t zone isn't overly dry but I do get flaky skin close to my nose. I have been said to have combination skin during makeovers (thats where I picked up that my t zone was dry) and a couple of facials but I never addressed the complaint. It wasn't this noticeable a year ago...
I use a milky cleanser bio lactate organic rose hip oil (for normal to dry) I tone with rose water or witch hazel and I have been using 100 percent rose hip oil for moisture lately even tamanu oil.
I have also used coconut oil in the past also after a shower.
I am wondering if it has anything to do with that, pores are maybe overactive?
I take a lot of vitamins c,b,msm, magnesium and my diet is ok...oats for breakfast and usually chicken salad and whatever my partner cooks for dinner as he is a chef.
However I am thinking it could be genetic as I know my grandmother has them but my mother passed away when I was young so I don't recall her skin...
My new regime as of today is an Organi cleanser and toner, toner again, green apple clay mask and a mousturiser with salicyic acid...I only have Garnier pure 24 hour now I have to do more research.
But I am looking for a Dermalogica face mapping, maybe they can help. I think I am going to take your advice and bug a doctor or beauty therapist about it...
Embarassed

free skin care · Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:10 am

The great news is genetics rarely dictates a skin condition, it is simply a contributory factor in most cases. Beauty therapists are not medical professionals and many know little about corneobiology and corneotherapy: please seek a professional diagnosis even if that is initially consulting a pharmacist. It doesn't matter if your T-zone is not 'overly dry', it should not be dry at all: this suggests your skin barrier may be damaged. Why would you think your pores are overactive and why are you using salicylic acid on dry skin? Are you not using a zinc oxide sunscreen? Why two toners when your skin is dehydrated? Do you not exfoliate or use a mask? How are you removing your silicone based primer and other cosmetics?

None of the oils you mention contain the lipids found in the skin barrier - cholesterol, long chain saturates (stearic and palmitic acids) and ceramides. Used alone many oils will simply act as an occlusive, they will not moisturise skin without a humectant. Your new cleanser seems to be based on grapeseed oil which is good for cleansing but astringent and most suited to oily skin, but I cannot find a full ingredients list. Witch hazel is also astringent and often contains drying alcohols. I cannot find any product called Biolactate so cannot comment on that cleanser or toner.

As I asked do you consistently meet or exceed all your government's recommendations for healthy eating and lifestyle? Nine portions of fruit and veggies every day, three portions of dairy per day, at least three portions of oily fish per week, plenty of other healthy fats (nuts, seeds, avocado), plenty of wholegrains, little sugar or white carbs? Are you a medically healthy weight and bodyfat percentage? Sorry but it really is important that you respond to my questions or I cannot assist.

HTH. Confused

Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:34 am

My GP doesn't think it's anything but cosmetic.
He said they were pores...He's a rushy type of GP...
It is hard finding a professional expert besides beauty spas here in Australia but I am searching for one, believe me...
I am very depressed and posted for some advice.
What I mentioned regarding genetics is what I got off internet research regarding enlarged pores...I am not using salicylic acid as yet, I mentioned I will be with my new regime as I popped over to a chemist to ask about what can help me and the lady there mentioned cleansers and moisturizers containing salicylic acid...
I did notice they are for people with acne or young skin in general. But was told they help minimize pores...
I thought my pores were overactive as they were large... whilst using oil as I thought I could have actually contributed to them being larger, dousing them with oil at bedtime...obviously that's not the case and I will return the salicylic acid until I find a professional.
I don't use toner everyday, some days just a sprits of rose water which is more hydrating then toning, witch hazel once a week I just was going to use it more. I have a microdermabrasion every fortnight. I eat pretty healthy but not the amount you mentioned every single day. I don't know many who do although it is ideal...
I only wear cosmetics twice a week and remove with my cleanser or baby wipes then cleanser but I do use sunscreen daily.
My skin is not dry, I'm sorry I gave you the misconception it is dry but it is combination. As mentioned I get flakes near my nose sometimes but it is nearing to winter...The cleanser I mentioned that I will be using is called an organic cleanser and toner...I probably can skip the witch hazel now...I was just hoping there was a regime for skin with large pores as mine have wrinkles in them and look like crepe paper right now. I have been told drinking more water will help. That is one thing I haven't been doing well lately.
So I am a bit more confused I suppose with different accounts on salicylic acid or willow bark (small amount in a moisturizer) but will keep this updated for when I find a dermatologist hopefully by tomorrow! I do need a proper regime and hopefully I can be told how to minimise pores without drying them out if that is possible.

free skin care · Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:35 am

Hi there,
I agree you need to see a derm or someone who is highly recommended. For me I found that my routine based on natural skincare just made my skin worse. I took my estheticians advice starting with a gentle aha cleanser ( priori). I use a clarisonic at the end of the day and use a lightweight non oil moisturizer and SS. Apart from my retinA & VIt C I use nothing else. It has worked the best. The only way I keep my pores at bay is by cleansing well. Of course you must be careful not to damage the acid mantle of you skin. That's why good advice is important. A good peel every 6 weeks is something else I do and don't find it necessary to add more AHAs/BHAs to my routine.
GL

free skin care · Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:55 am

I totally understand what you are saying about the dryness not being all over, but honestly that is not the way healthy skin functions. Bear in mind that much irritation and inflammation is invisible, so a 'minor' problem should raise a red flag. Salicylic acid is for clogged pores, it is oil soluble and will happily eat through the lipids in the skin barrier so is very drying. Pores are essentially holes, they can be enlarged because the surrounding skin is shrunken and dehydrated OR because they are full of a blackhead/ whitehead which you do not mention.

I am not trying to pick holes in you by asking the questions, I am trying to find a way to help as you asked but I'm finding it tough to get the answers I need. Please tell me which of the healthy eating guidelines you don't meet. I do this stuff for a living so I am well aware few people hit all the targets, but that is not you. How much that matters depends on stuff like your genetics. The body can only hold onto water that we drink if we feed it the right balance and type of proteins, fats and carbs.

There likely is a regime for you, but we need to get to the root of the problem before we can suggest a regime that has a good chance of success. You have already had one pharmacy assistant make assumptions and a poor recommendation (IMO). Baby wipes are full of nasty chemicals, and dermabrasion is a harsh method of exfoliation which damages the skin barrier, unsuitable for anyone with sensitive, dry or stressed skin. When you have that treatment presumably you have products applied that are not your regular ones? Ditto when you have the spray tan? This could mean any number of drying or irritant ingredients.

Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:14 am

dionie you got me thinking there, I did start to go 'natural' with my skincare as well as eating last year and now the problems are starting! That has given me food for thought...thank you... A good friend of mine warned me not to go natural (yelled at me to be more precise!)and stressed the importance of vit c products and retinA but to be honest I am scared to use it but will look into it especially after getting advice from a derm...
Firefox7275 I don't have whitheads just the holes which are combined with the lines only on my apple of the cheek area. I haven't had a spray tan for 2 months I usually had one for a special occasion but noticed the bronzer get into the pores. I was recommended to get a clear solution as that is apparently common.
I take fish oil daily but do love fish, roughly twice a week,I love my salmon and avocado, I grab sushi when in a rush for lunch. Pumpkin seeds and walnuts I live on. We banned bread in the house as I like to exercise and keep trim, in my healthy weight zone. The only medical problem is that I have anxiety from a dog attack 5 years ago. The scar is under my eye and is probably half the reason I am focusing on the pores with the magnifying mirror (which does not help lol) I understand clear skin has to come from within that is why I am frustrated as I don't smoke or drink! But I googled enlarged pores and crepe skin and found ppl posting similar pics of what my problem area is...
One stated to use a dermaroller, I have one and haven't really used it as I have always been told to exfoliate exfoliate!
But again, this has happened since I switched to a natural regime which is the only thing that is standing out right now besides aging Sad

Anyway I am up all night until I find a good dermatologist who can hopefully look at my skin and advise...all my products bought in a panic today are going back to the store!

free skin care · Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:55 am

kaissandra wrote:

My t zone isn't overly dry but I do get flaky skin close to my nose.

Would that be close to your eyes? I had that and was recommended to see a derm. Mine turned out to be eczema.

Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:04 am

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Would that be close to your eyes? I had that and was recommended to see a derm. Mine turned out to be eczema

No just near the sides of my nostrils. I'm pretty positive it is my pores as I have driven myself nuts researching on the internet all day Rolling Eyes

But I am now looking for a derm, I just hope they don't ignore me and say 'its just pores' so I'm trying a skin cosmetic surgery clinic...I will probably come back with a new nose as well, hopefully they will be knowledgeable in skin care. Laughing

free skin care · Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:10 am

kaissandra wrote:

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Would that be close to your eyes? I had that and was recommended to see a derm. Mine turned out to be eczema

No just near the sides of my nostrils. I'm pretty positive it is my pores as I have driven myself nuts researching on the internet all day Rolling Eyes

But I am now looking for a derm, I just hope they don't ignore me and say 'its just pores' so I'm trying a skin cosmetic surgery clinic...I will probably come back with a new nose as well, hopefully they will be knowledgeable in skin care. Laughing

Well at least you have a great sense of humor about it!

I think it is best to see a derm. as eczema can show up anywhere. My neighbor's son had it since he was about 3 and with our heat and his itching he is very prone to getting secondary infections in the skin.
Nobody can say one way or another for certain on the web what it is, but we will be glad to help and support you as much as you need! Very Happy

free skin care · Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:16 am

kaissandra wrote:

No just near the sides of my nostrils.

Ok! I figured it was worth a shot mentioning, as that flaking nose close to eyes is supposedly a telltale sign of eczema. Good luck. I think the derm is your best bet!

free skin care · Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:42 pm

rileygirl wrote:

kaissandra wrote:

My t zone isn't overly dry but I do get flaky skin close to my nose.

Would that be close to your eyes? I had that and was recommended to see a derm. Mine turned out to be eczema.

For me my eye area can get flakey if I use any eye product with acids or vitamin C or fragance.

the cheaper eye creams like olay eye gel (that is $10 at walmart) are best for me or else Neostrata Canada has acid free, fragrance free eye cream/gel that I've been using for years..

You are lucky if you can find a decent derm.
I've seen what are supposed to be very good derms at the hospital where there is a 1 to 2 year wait list and their advise just sucked and was unhelpful.

But then last year paid to see a cosmetic surgeon who also had a skin practice and that was helpful- except I could not afford any of the services or else did not really want what was proposed (a series of skin peels...I'd rather do my own though), less often.

free skin care · Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:01 am

Reduce intake of carbohydrates, do a TCA or lactic acid peel and use a skin rebuilder like Retin-A or copper peptides.

Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:37 am

Update on my 'skin problem', This was the first time on this site and Firefox scared the hell out of me with my 'diet is wrong, I'm not one meeting healthy standards, microdermabrasion is bad,irritation and inflammation is not visible and I could have an underlying health problem' etc.

My skin is not dry, it is dehydrated. that is common in Australia apparently. My t zone is oily, I have combination skin. My pores are neither overactive or under active. I do have fine lines where they are though and dry flaking skin on my nostrils as I didn't exfoliate.

Firefox did add IMO...which I guess means 'in my opinion' so I went to get professional ones. but I'm sure she was trying to help best as she could, I just get scared very easily!
I studied naturopathy and nutrition and my partner is a chef I was a tiny bit insulted that there was an assumption I am not taking care of myself.

I am obsessive about being healthy from the inside out and after buying the magnifying mirror my problems magnified Laughing

But thank you everyone else with your input, I thank you for helping me you won't believe how I appreciate each response, the vit c and natural product advice especially

1st 'specialist' I made an appt with a cosmetic surgeon who said he specialized in skin (yes yes I know, I was just curious) He did say my skin was fine and thought I was younger than I was (yipee!) he mentioned most women came in for pore complaints and that was what my concern was. Pores on my cheeks and fine lines. That's right I have fine lines there too! Sad

He said it was not necessary to do anything but if I was desperate I could use restaylne day cream as that was the only one he liked that he stocked. If I wanted to do a chemical peel that was an option too down the line. He went on for an hour about pores and showed me pics of improvements after a peel.

2nd specialist Ella Bache...prior to going in I informed them that I was wary that they were not 'professional' due to the response I got from the forum regarding skin mapping. They basically told me everyone has an opinion and rattled of their professional therapists awards and qualifications. I went to meet with the owner. I lay down for my skin diagnosis. There were 3 other people in my room who she was showing the spots, where my oil glands were and all these embarrassing things whilst people she was teaching oohed and ahhed. She was lovely. I thought she was too young to be doing this until she advised me she was 44. She looked 5 years younger than me! I was told I had oily combination skin and that the dryness around my nose needs exfoliation. She explained exfoliating is very important and to get oxygen facials with microdemabrasion regularly. She showed me the cleansers, exfoliants and eye products they stocked and said 'age pro' range is good for anyone over 25 when the aging process begins. She told me not to think about a chemical peel as I do not need it (phew)

Advised me everyone that lives in Australia has dehydrated skin and even though drinking water helps it mostly gets rid of toxins and topical moisturizers are a must. And she didn't like my idea of natural ones but had heaps of strong VIT C products.

3. I went to my gp demanding blood tests a few days back. I have no underlying issue, everything is fine...BUt I am now listed as a hypochondriac I bet

So now I have 2 more appts...a dermal clinician and another dermatologist. I am fanatic about my skin so I am going to them all to see how I can minimise my pores and fine lines and rehydrate my skin. Laughing

Ahhh such is aging...and pores...i need to learn make up tricks to conceal them for now I guess and quickly get my skin regime sorted!

Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:06 am

Hi kaissandra! I have a very similar problem, so it's interesting to read about your progress. Please keep us updated after your next two appointments. Smile

Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:52 pm

Hi Katehume, it's annoying isn't it!? Do you have the large pores or fine looking lines? Had a great appointment with a dermal therapist yesterday, she was well informed. I told her about my problems and what I have heard and she advised me that my skin was not that bad at all and that I should do a beauty course as I am curious about everything besides my own skin condition!!
I had told myself I would not buy any products pushed onto me by anyone. I had a few cosmetic surgeons who claimed to know about skin care but were trying to take my $$$ BUT she didn't push anything just informed me about ingredients and advised me to stop using oil for dehydration as like science oil sits above water and I won't get hydrated. If I NEED to use rose hip (i love the feeling) she said to use it only at night. I ended up purchasing a kit of Dermaquest skin therapy resurfacing kit which I already feel moisturizing my skin! It consists of 3 serums (which are mandatory and the only thing to hydrate), delicate skin cleanser and a moisturizer with sunscreen in which I can replace with ASAP ultimate hydration if I wanted. She didn't recommend any other of ASAP's other products for me though and basically told me not to listen to advertisements and buy natural products as they will rarely have the ingredients to get into your skin barrier. Dermarolling is also great but only 0.5 needle so it doesn't leave holes...mine is a bit bigger then that >.<

My lines are due to dehydration and I obsess about them more as I have a magnifying mirror Laughing

and I do have pores but there is no way of making them disappear it can be genetic and they do not open and close as some people believe.
So if I do want to do anything she suggested Fraxel restore. Now I am a bit iffy on that as I read horror stories on the internet about that, I have had a spot treatment on my scar with fraxel and ended up with slight pigmentation, but will think about it and meanwhile see a couple of other people(one today as I have my 9 monthly restaylyne appt). I am probably going to be overloaded with information but I just have to keep this regime and see if it works. The B5 serum is great and what I like is that all the ingredients are listed. So if it does get too expensive in the long run I can swap the other serums for similar items and keep the B5 and cleansers, I have 2 at the moment delicate skin cleanser and c-lipid cleanser (she was generous with samples) Wink

It is mandatory to get microdermabrasion monthly for me as dead skin builds up around my nose area. And not the home ones, the professional ones.
My make up accentuates the line/pore around my cheek/ nose and she asked me to try mineral make up but I politely declined. I'm not ready to change my make up yet I have spent hundreds on my foundations! I am however learning to use a sponge instead of a brush as a brush will cause micro exfoliation with the motions and make your skin flaky. And I always apply downwards and 'pat' powder on instead of brushing it as it can hide the pores and I haven't experienced clogging in that method. Products are more likely to clog pores than make up as they are designed to get into your skin. I am off to do my regime now haha and get ready for my other appointment, I will probably ask about non surgical options to improve and plump my skin.

free skin care · Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:30 pm

Kaissandra theres nothing worse than spending so much $$$$$$ on products and makeup that dont work for your skintype. One piece of advise that my esthetician has given me is to keep it simple. And I sooo agree. The more I layer products the more my pores get clogged.My skin looks aeful when congested..... certainly those 10x magnifying mirrors don't help either Surprised

I like your advise about makeup application. Im lazy and only use my fingers.... but the downward strokes Ive never read that before. However my clarisonic mia has been a godsend in keeping my pores clean after makeup removal.I can get sooo much build up and my skin tends to look "bumpy" when it gets badly congested. So every 6 weeks I do my peel and or microdermabrasion. I highly recommend microdermabrasion for clogged pores and keeping your skin exfoliated.. moreso than for fine lines.I'm off today to get one done. Usually she will choose for me based on how my skins looking and what I tell her about it.

I try to avoid oils. As many a nice things I have read about them oils and me just don't go, and there's so many good one out there. I've used emu, squalane,argan,hemp,Rosehip too (but thats shown to be problematic for some people who break out easily), mixed oils and others. They just sit on my skin, don't hydrate and in fact make my skin feel drier...the same goes for natural products. I've tried weleda,jurlique, suki, aubrey organics (not bad masks though),dr hauschka, grown (nice body wash)and others.I tried Osmosis, Aspectdr, results rx, cosmedix, ASAP, Dermalogica...my god I could go on forever here. You got a headache yet Rolling Eyes

..and I gave all prducts at least 6 months too.

For me the one thing Ive learnt by being on this wonderful forum is USE the actives that have been "proven" to work with lots of studies to back them up. Most have advised they like RetinA, Vit C, AHAs/BHAs, and sunscreen as being in the top 5. For me SS is #1.

Even Vit C has taken much experimentation on my behalf. I now use LAA powder that I mix into my aloe vera serum (watery actually not the gel type) or with water and I love it. I have had better results than with the $200+ bottles Ive purchased in the past. There's lots stuff on the DIY board if you ever have the time or interest.

The newest product Im about to add to my morning regime is the priori perfection gel which was recommended for adult breakout skin but good for aging too(Has lactic acid as a gentler acid form, BHA, peptides and some antioxidants) and hydrates apparently.I hope my skin likes .

Anyway let us know how things go as we are all trying to achive nice skin here, and love to hear about peoples journeys too. Very Happy

GL

Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:48 pm

Ahh Dionie I agree wholeheartedly about not wasting $$$$$$ on products. I used to do that and accumulate jars of whatever was in 'fashion' and never use it...thank god for EBAY! Not any more though, those days are OVER!

Make up though is a passion of mine and I do let myself splurge on products, I have a few foundations, 2 for winter (one is long wearing,other light diffusing) 2 for summer (same but darker as I usually use a bronzer and need darker make up) I wear Dior,Yves st Laurent and Napoleon foundations. I am doing another makeup course later this year so I will be spending more! I also help with make up for weddings/photoshoots so hopefully I will make the $$$ back!

I was a DIY queen on products but with 'natural' ingredients. I also used to make herbal concoctions every morning. I am now restraining myself from anymore beauty DIY as I just messed my skin up and found researcing and shopping around (without buying) for the best advice is helping me. I now only need this kit and it covers everything. However I would love to know more about the clarisonic !!

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However my clarisonic mia has been a godsend in keeping my pores clean after makeup removal

Tell me more please! I had a 'dermanew' home micro system that had an attachable brush that whirled around for cleansing...I was wondering if it's similar? Is it gentle on the skin? I have heard good things in the past about clarasonic!

I use downward strokes with make up as the tiny hairs on your face aren't noticable that way. Not that I'm overly hairy *grabs magnifying mirror*
Finger application isn't bad as long as your fingers are clean it warms the product for easier blending but if you use a stippling brush you wil use less product. I stipple foundation around my face then work it with a sponge as it's gentler.

Thanks for your list of products I noticed some I was given aswell e.g Weleda, looking forward to hearing about the clarisonic! Smile

Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:32 am

I have large pores on either side of my nose (around the inner part of the apples of my cheeks). I never had problems with large pores before, but this winter I used too many harsh skincare products and I believe I dehydrated my skin quite badly (it started over-producing oil to make up for the dryness). I've been using Dermalogica products for the past couple of weeks, which have helped make my skin a lot more healthy, but it still gets red and irritated very easily. I finally broke down and made an appointment with the dermatologist, even though I can't really afford it, so I'm hoping she'll be helpful.

That's interesting that your dermal therapist said to avoid oils. I've been experimenting with them as well, since everyone seems to rave about how great they are for your skin, but I feel like they make my skin problems worse (i.e. more irritation and redness, less hydration). It's good to know that I'm not the only crazy one who can't use them. Laughing

I also have the same problem applying makeup. My Revlon Colorstay liquid makeup that I've been using for the past 10 years (and have NEVER had any problems with) doesn't sit well on my skin anymore, because of the large pores. I'll have to try the downward strokes technique - I've found that patting powder, as you mentioned, also works well for me. I've also experimented with mineral makeup, as your dermal therapist recommended, but it doesn't seem to look any better or worse than the liquid foundation - plus it doesn't cover as well, which makes me reluctant to use it (although I do love how lightweight it feels on my skin).

I tried the Clarisonic a few months back and didn't have the best experience with it - I think it contributed to my dehydrated skin. BUT I was using it with a harsh soap, so I'm guessing that was a big part of the problem. If you start out slowly (only use it 3 or 4 times a week), you should be fine. Most people have really good experiences with the Clarisonic. I may eventually go back to using mine once my skin heals.

And don't worry, I also have a closet full of unused products that I've bought in a panic over the last few months. Mad

That's why I finally decided its time to get a professional opinion! Wink

free skin care · Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:44 am

kaissandra,

Never let anyone here scare you I mean never! It really sounds like you could just need to be super gentle and allow your skin to heal, sometimes less is more!
What works for one can be horrible for another, I use and love oils but I have a tough skin that is nonreactive.
I hope all gets better in time (sure it will).

Please do keep us posted on your progress! Very Happy

free skin care · Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:00 pm

Yeah I agree different things work for different people. I mean yesterday I had a short microdermabrasion session followed by a 50% glycolic peel. And my skin LOVED it. FYI I dont ever peel or go red after this either. It simply deeply exfoliates.But for other skintypes this would be torture and over the top. Personally my skin needs exfoliation on a regular basis.It just glows. But I always stop my acids (C&RetinA) the week before I go to see her.

I love dior foundation but I am always mixing the shades as I'm in between. I like Chanel and lancome though. I also like Jane Iredale liquid minerals and the powder too but just find that now I'm a little older I hate how powder looks on my skin. Estee lauder DWL is okay too if you want longer wearing stuff....even though makeup never stays longer than a couple hrs on my skin...with or without primer.. Crying or Very sad

I have so many makeup brushes, but Im not a fan of stippling. Can never do it properly.I always make sure my hands are clean when using fingers, but I really like your downard stroke idea. Will try it.When it comes to makeup I think how it feels and applies is a big deal.Like skincare its not one size fits all.

I love the clarisonic and only use it at the end of the day now. Takes my makeup off really well. I use it with a Moogoo milk cleanser (yes its a natural one but without many ingredients so its not too bad), but in the morning I use my AHA cleanser . I don't use both together. I think if you use a clarisonic a gentler cleanser should be the way to go. This way I find its not too much for my skin. Plus I use the delicate or sensitive brushead, even though I have tough sluggish skin. I'm not sure what the dermanew is like but I like the clarisonic as it vibrates rather than fully rotates....I think....gotta take another look now ...& has shorter "bristles" or whatever theyre called LOL.

Like anything you need to start slowly, with good advice and common sense, and work your way up.I agree sometimes less is more. I may do some major exfoliation every 6 weeks but at home I try to keep it simple.

Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:56 pm

Thanks girls, your advice and experience really helps, I am learning a lot! Was over anxious and scared easily a few days back! I must admit I haven't been on a great confidence boost since the dog attack that left a scar under my eye....I seem to focus on my face too much sometimes...I just have to get over it.
I did get the scar filled in with radiesse yesterday so I'm sitting here typing with arnica bruising relief gel waiting for the slight bruising to go so I can see how it looks. Hurt my wallet though! But if it filled the indent in nicely I will be a happy girl!

Good luck with the dermatologist katehume, I would love to know what he/she has to say!
I hate make up highlighting pores with a passion! I used to use foundation with the same consistency as revlon colourstay as it hid everything, now I can't work with anything but light diffusing foundations or foundation for mature skin. I went through so many brands,some highlight more than others I had a chanel vitalumiere in claire but it broke me out. Never looked like it sat in my pores that one. I still get advised to use minerals but I don't see the difference. I just have to use less product in the area and avoid blush/bronzer there. And accentuate the eyes so people will look there instead!

I also am in love with this guru on youtube who has a few videos on makeup and pores I'm not able to post links Sad

'How to make pores disappear in seconds' and another called 'How to make pores vanish!' this guy (Wayne Goss)he uses circular brush movements and mentions the micro exfoliation...it's amazing and helpful, let me know what you think! I had a lot of time on my hands this morning and am so glad to have found these so I thought I'd share! I have now noticed it's more that my skin is dehydrated that the pores are noticeable. It's the pesky small flakes around the pores annoying me.

Dionie I am hating powder on my skin too, I just dab it where I need it and I wasn't taught to use a primer but I keep reading about how great they are so I purchased a couple. I don't see a difference, I see more of a difference if I use a serum or argan oil before make up application. I don't use much but I read somewhere once it helps put make up on smoothly, and for me it does. I know what you mean about brushes too. I avoid them and just use the stippling to place the product on each cheek, chin,forehead and then blend with my sponge. I found if I don't I dispense a load of unnecessary product. I have to save my money now this little adventure of mine has cost quite a bit! With cleansing I still use my old cleanser which is a gentle natural one as well as honey if I have a lot of make up to get off and I don't want to strip my face 50 times. Ah the pursuit of perfect skin, please ladies let me know when you find the magical answer that suits every skin type along with the fountain of youth and the gold at the end of the rainbow!

free skin care · Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:49 pm

OMG I love Waynes videos. I remember one where he was doing his mum up in one video...or I think it was anyways Laughing

I love his tips on finishing powder application too. I will check out your ones though.

I love makeup, must admit there was a time where I did want to be a makeup artist...I think it stems from my artist painting days. I just love it.

Im so sorry about your horrible experience. I mean I love dogs but am scared of them as I was attacked by one as a kid...our dog too. Its aweful and I can understand the anxiety. Those magnifying mirrors certainly dont help, and we are certainly our worst critics.

Unfortunately we are all on the search for the holy grail of skincare products. If you find the gold let me know Smile

Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:01 am

Hi girls! I thought I'd give you a little update, even though there's not too much to report. I've been using the downward strokes technique with my liquid makeup, and it seems to help a little bit.

I also went to the dermatologist a week ago, and she prescribed the generic form of Differin for me. I've only been using it one week, obviously, but I've noticed a small change already. The pores on my nose are appearing much smaller and tighter - now I just need to work on the ones on my cheeks (which seem to be the worst - I hate them!). Of course, it can take 2-4 months for Differin to make big changes, so it's probably going to be awhile. But I'm just happy to see even a slight change after one week of usage. I also have noticed that the oiliness of my skin has decreased just a tad (which is great- I never used to have oily skin before I damaged and dehydrated it). Fortunately, the derm said any damage I did to my skin is not permanent. I just wish it would heal a little faster than this snail's pace it has been going at. Rolling Eyes

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