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Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:28 pm      Reply with quote
I color my own hair at home. I am also going to try a smoothing treatment...just bought Renpure 14 day Keratin treatment based on positive recs on Amazon.

I am in need of both right now.

Which should I do first? the color or straightening? don't want to mess something up or end up frying it.

Thanks! BFG
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:53 pm      Reply with quote
Before and after you do any chemical processing, you might want to get your hair in great condition with this (or a comparable product);

http://www.beautycollection.com/Brands/moroccan-oil/Moroccan-Oil-Treatment#tabstop

The combination of silicones, argan oil and other additives really come together to get your hair in great condition..

I live in Florida, color my hair, swim in my chlorinated pool (and the ocean) regularly, and after using this 2 or 3 times, my dry frizzy hair was surprisingly soft and bouncy again...

I just use literally 5 or 6 drops on clean, damp hair once or twice a week now, and I can't believe how healthy it is staying...

As for your question on what to do 1st (coloring or straightening) It's best to never do two double processed procedures on your hair if you can avoid it, but generally the rule of thumb is to relax it first, and then put the color in at a later date.

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Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:05 pm      Reply with quote
I agree with Kassy. Having worked as a nail tech on and off for 20 years, I've worked at a few salons, and they always recommend doing the straightening first before the color. Otherwise, the straightening will cause some of the color to come out. And do wait at least a week between each treatment.

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Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:05 pm      Reply with quote
sandooch wrote:
I agree with Kassy. Having worked as a nail tech on and off for 20 years, I've worked at a few salons, and they always recommend doing the straightening first before the color. Otherwise, the straightening will cause some of the color to come out. And do wait at least a week between each treatment.


I agree also, perms and straightening products both open the hair cuticle and will fade colored hair considerably.

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Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:38 am      Reply with quote
Assuming you mean you use permanent dye .... Before you colour, do a clarifying wash then use a silicone-free conditioner, no styling products. A few days later coat your dry hair in coconut oil, bag and turban towel your head to keep in the heat and leave for a few hours to overnight. Then dye right over the top of the oil: the lauric acid will help protect the protein structure of the hair from peroxide damage.

I would do the two chemical treatments three to four weeks apart, doing a couple of strand tests before the second. Use the intervening period to do hydrolysed protein restructuring and more coconut oil treatments. Using a gentle sulphate-free shampoo will reduce wear and tear on the structure of your hair during washing, and will help both your colour and straightening treatment last longer.

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Firefox7275 wrote:
Assuming you mean you use permanent dye .... Before you colour, do a clarifying wash then use a silicone-free conditioner, no styling products. A few days later coat your dry hair in coconut oil, bag and turban towel your head to keep in the heat and leave for a few hours to overnight. Then dye right over the top of the oil: the lauric acid will help protect the protein structure of the hair from peroxide damage.

I would do the two chemical treatments three to four weeks apart, doing a couple of strand tests before the second. Use the intervening period to do hydrolysed protein restructuring and more coconut oil treatments. Using a gentle sulphate-free shampoo will reduce wear and tear on the structure of your hair during washing, and will help both your colour and straightening treatment last longer.


Perm solution and straightening products will eat right through any semi or temporary color and fade them even more than a permanent color, so regardless always color as a second to the other chemical processes.

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Barefootgirl wrote:
I color my own hair at home. I am also going to try a smoothing treatment...just bought Renpure 14 day Keratin treatment based on positive recs on Amazon.

I am in need of both right now.

Which should I do first? the color or straightening? don't want to mess something up or end up frying it.

Thanks! BFG


I should have looked at your link first this is not a chemical process you can see from both the ingredients and the directions, you won't fry your hair with this!!! Very Happy
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When and how to use it

The ORIGINAL MoroccanOil Treatment is the final step in a beauty regimen designed to give you gorgeous hair every day. Apply it after shampooing and conditioning. It doesn’t take much – start with a small amount in the palm of your hands, and work it carefully through your damp hair. Then…style!
If you use hair color, you can also use The ORIGINAL MoroccanOil Treatment to improve your hair’s ability to absorb color. Massage a small amount of the oil into your hair before applying the color treatment, and add another 5ml of the solution to your color mix.
You’ll be pleasantly surprised by the result.

Ingredients

Cyclopentasiloxane, Dimethicone, Cyclomethicone, Butylphenyl Methyl Propional, Argania Spinoza Kernel Oil (Argan Oil), Linseed (Linum Usitatissimum) Extract, Fragrance Supplement, D&C Yellow-11, D&C Red-17, Coumarin, Benzyl Benzoate, Alpha-Isomethyl Ionone

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Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:27 am      Reply with quote
thanks -

This is the product. Gets good reviews and appears to be much more gentle than traditional straightening treatments. My goal is to smoothe out the frizz, not turn my nice hair with body into straight sheets of hair, lol.

http://www.amazon.com/Renpure-Organics-Brazilian-Straight-Treatment/dp/B005I0JWEC

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Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:33 am      Reply with quote
Barefootgirl wrote:
thanks -

This is the product. Gets good reviews and appears to be much more gentle than traditional straightening treatments. My goal is to smoothe out the frizz, not turn my nice hair with body into straight sheets of hair, lol.

http://www.amazon.com/Renpure-Organics-Brazilian-Straight-Treatment/dp/B005I0JWEC

BFG


With this I would say color after just to be on the safe side re: fading color....Sorry on the first post I was looking at Kassy's post! I need to be more awake before posting! LOL.

from the link it looks like the standard yet conditioning keratin treatment:

Important Information
Ingredients
Purified Water, Hydrolyzed Pea (Keratin) Protein (Organic), Polyquaternium-10, Panthenol, Cocos Nucifera (Coconut) Oil (Organic), Psidium Guajava (Guava) Extract (Organic), Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea) Oil (Organic), C18-22 Hydroxyalkyl Hydroxypropyl Guar (Guar Beans*), Cetrimonium Chloride (Palm Oil*), Diazolidinyl Urea, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate, Fragrance. (* Derived Source)

Directions
Wash hair with Brazilian Keratin Shampoo. Towel dry hair and apply 14 Day straight to damp hair, coat hair shaft all the way out to tips and comb through to ensure application. Leave on hair for 30 minutes. Pull hair straight using a brush and blow dry until hair is completely dry. Use flat iron (set at 450F) to seal and lock-in the keratin treatment. Divide hair into small sections. Flat iron each section 7 to 10 times. Do not wash or condition hair for 24 hours. After 24 hours, wash and condition with Renpure Brazilian Keratin Straightening Shampoo and Conditioner. Treatment lasts up to 14 days!

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Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:54 am      Reply with quote
DM,

I sooo appreciate your feedback.

How do those ingredients compare to the usual Keratin treatments?

Thanks, BFG
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Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:58 am      Reply with quote
Barefootgirl wrote:
DM,

I sooo appreciate your feedback.

How do those ingredients compare to the usual Keratin treatments?

Thanks, BFG


The things that stuck out to me as very conditioning are coconut oil, shea oil and panthenol, all very good for the hair. I would also think these are protective against the high heat needed for the processing.

I actually rub a tiny amount of shea butter between my hands and fluff through my hair prior to blow drying it! Very Happy

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Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:20 am      Reply with quote
Yes, all the oils look good.

My *guess* is that the active ingredient is similar to those used in the stronger formulas, just less of it...(I am referring to ingredients that actually cause the hair to relax and smoothe out).

Tks, BFG
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