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Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:29 pm  |
Hi,
I recently found this forum and it has been a blessing.
I am a 27 year old female living in AZ, and the sun damaging effects along with other aging factors have started to show on my face. (I have started using SPF 24 daily, but only SPF 15 around eyes)
I have tried many products, mostly as a result of hype or advertising and sales.
My biggest problem is not knowing where to start. There is so much information out there, the more I read, the more confused I get.
For example, I bought the Cellfood Oxygen gel. One of my friends who works in the skin care industry told me I am damaging my skin more by using it, as it creates free radicals. Then a medical aesthetician that performed fractional non-ablative laser procedure on my forehead used an oxygen cream right after and told me that the oxygen gel is good for me...
Here are my concerns:
- Combination/Acne prone skin (Mario Badescu products are the first to make a difference!)
- Fine lines on forehead, diminished slightly by the laser procedure
- Left eye closing more than right when I smile (uneven UV damage or result of sleep habits?)
- Dark under eye circles (probably hereditary)
- Fine lines on lower eye lids and tiny crow's feet
- Fine smile lines
- Losing volume in the cheek bone area
All these are barely noticeable, but enough to get me to take a better look at how I treat my skin.
I have a few questions, hopefully you can help me:
1) How do you come up with a custom skin care regimen that's right for you?
2) Should I see a dermatologist or medical aesthetician for a custom program? I am worried they might be biased and push to get me to buy their expensive products.
3) Do you recommend a book that breaks it down for me?
4) What key ingredients should I look for and in what quantities/concentration? I would like to adopt a DIY program so I can control better what goes on my skin.
5) What ingredients can be used together and what should not?
6) What companies are good for ordering raw ingredients? I've tried SkinActives, but I am not sure about the quality of their products.
If this topic has been addressed already, I apologize. I did search but did not come across anything that would give me some direction. Feel free to point me to other threads that address my concerns.
I greatly appreciate your input! |
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Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:01 am |
I am of the same age and having some similar issues, so I am looking forward to a reply from someone who knows.
I'm having alot of difficulty with layering products. I can use cleanser, toner, a serum and moisturiser, but adding an extra step creates balling when adding the moisturiser. Trying to fit all the active ingredients I want to use without mixing incompatible ingredients is head frying, especially because the more research I do the more I want to add.
Hopefully someone will have some straight forward solutions. |
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Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:08 am |
| gimidalight wrote: |
I am of the same age and having some similar issues, so I am looking forward to a reply from someone who knows.
I'm having alot of difficulty with layering products. I can use cleanser, toner, a serum and moisturiser, but adding an extra step creates balling when adding the moisturiser. Trying to fit all the active ingredients I want to use without mixing incompatible ingredients is head frying, especially because the more research I do the more I want to add.
Hopefully someone will have some straight forward solutions. |
I can totally relate! When I add serum, Mario Badescu healing cream, Aveeno Ageless Vitality moisturizer with SPF 24 and primer, everything starts to flake off, cake, etc. My skin is obviously saturated at that point 
Hopefully we can at least get some pointers to any previous threads that addressed these concerns. |
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Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:07 am |
My main skin problems are:
combination skin - normal / oily tzone
super sensitive skin
fine lines around eyes and mouth
milia (bain of my life)
hyperpigmentation and sun damage
dehydrated skin
I was having bad reactions to most commercial products I used, and any I didn't react badly to gave no improvement in my skin so I decided to diy in the hope I could isolate anything that didn't agree with my skin. My current routine doesn't irritate my skin, but I haven't been using it long enough to see noticeable results (had a lot of mishaps).
My current routine is:
AM
cleanser (hemp oil, glycerin, geranium hydrosol)
Toner (Apple cider vinegar, glycerin, salylic acid, manderin, chamomile and papaya EO)
20% vit C E + F serum (kassy's recipe)
carrier oil of choice with coenzyme Q10 (haven't found carrier oil that works for me yet)
PM
Cleanser
Toner (apple cider vinegar, green tea, glycerin, glycolic acid, manderin, chamomile and papaya EO)
Serum (HA, retinyl acetate, niacinaimde and glucosamine)
Carrier oil with coenzyme Q10
Trying to fit matrixyl in but it isn't compatible with much.
I am also doing Eva's facial excersises, just the basic ones. Again I haven't been doing it long enough to notice a difference. Regarding dark circles, Dragon has a good recipe I came across on the Skin care talk forum but as I am not affected I didn't pay much attention.
Hope this helps, and if you want any of my recipes let me know.
Also would really appreciate anyones input to improve my routine |
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Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:08 am |
Forgot to add sunscreen in AM routine. I use John Masters organic spf 30.  |
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Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:55 pm |
| gimidalight wrote: |
My main skin problems are:
combination skin - normal / oily tzone
super sensitive skin
fine lines around eyes and mouth
milia (bain of my life)
hyperpigmentation and sun damage
dehydrated skin
I was having bad reactions to most commercial products I used, and any I didn't react badly to gave no improvement in my skin so I decided to diy in the hope I could isolate anything that didn't agree with my skin. My current routine doesn't irritate my skin, but I haven't been using it long enough to see noticeable results (had a lot of mishaps).
My current routine is:
AM
cleanser (hemp oil, glycerin, geranium hydrosol)
Toner (Apple cider vinegar, glycerin, salylic acid, manderin, chamomile and papaya EO)
20% vit C E + F serum (kassy's recipe)
carrier oil of choice with coenzyme Q10 (haven't found carrier oil that works for me yet)
PM
Cleanser
Toner (apple cider vinegar, green tea, glycerin, glycolic acid, manderin, chamomile and papaya EO)
Serum (HA, retinyl acetate, niacinaimde and glucosamine)
Carrier oil with coenzyme Q10
Trying to fit matrixyl in but it isn't compatible with much.
I am also doing Eva's facial excersises, just the basic ones. Again I haven't been doing it long enough to notice a difference. Regarding dark circles, Dragon has a good recipe I came across on the Skin care talk forum but as I am not affected I didn't pay much attention.
Hope this helps, and if you want any of my recipes let me know.
Also would really appreciate anyones input to improve my routine |
What Coenzime Q10 product do you use? Does it dissolve well in the carrier oil? I tried some from Skin Actives but I couldn't get it to dissolve in anything, so I figured it wasn't even absorbed in the skin...
How do you like the sunscreen, does it make your skin any oilier?
I would like to start using a retinoid or something along those lines, but I don't think self experimentation with such a substance is safe... Does anyone recommend a good approach/product?
Also, could you send me the link to Kassy's recipe you mentioned? Thank you. |
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Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:26 pm |
The CoQ10 is sold as Idebenone:
Solubility: non-denatured ethanol, Propylene glycol (may require gentle heating)
Kassy has three 20% Vitamin C serums listed in the Recipe index:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=11902 |
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I'LL SEE YOU ON THE DARKSIDE OF THE MOON.... |
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Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:09 pm |
Co Q10 is 100% very easily soluble in any oil... add small amount of oil to make a paste n then add the paste in the rest of the oil or cream..leave it aside for few hours and all is done or if in a hurry heat the oil but I don't recommend heating unless you can control the temperature...
Idebenone is not exactly Co Q10 but it's a slightly different synthetic version and therefore is patented... |
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:41 am |
The sunscreen isn't too greasy on my, but my skin isn't very oily anyway. I also use mineral makeup over it so it absorbs any excess.
The retinyl acetate with me has been fine, I haven't experienced any irritaion or dry skin, but I've started with 0.25% and intend to gradually increase it on a monthly basis. |
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:44 am |
| daler wrote: |
Co Q10 is 100% very easily soluble in any oil... add small amount of oil to make a paste n then add the paste in the rest of the oil or cream..leave it aside for few hours and all is done or if in a hurry heat the oil but I don't recommend heating unless you can control the temperature...
Idebenone is not exactly Co Q10 but it's a slightly different synthetic version and therefore is patented... |
Skinactives sells Idebenone only as far as I can find, and that is where it was purchased in the post by fitgineer. |
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:02 am |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| daler wrote: |
Co Q10 is 100% very easily soluble in any oil... add small amount of oil to make a paste n then add the paste in the rest of the oil or cream..leave it aside for few hours and all is done or if in a hurry heat the oil but I don't recommend heating unless you can control the temperature...
Idebenone is not exactly Co Q10 but it's a slightly different synthetic version and therefore is patented... |
Skinactives sells Idebenone only as far as I can find, and that is where it was purchased in the post by fitgineer. |
Hi DarkMoon, skinactives also sells Co Q10: http://www.skinactives.com/Coenzyme-Q10.html |
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:07 am |
| daler wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| daler wrote: |
Co Q10 is 100% very easily soluble in any oil... add small amount of oil to make a paste n then add the paste in the rest of the oil or cream..leave it aside for few hours and all is done or if in a hurry heat the oil but I don't recommend heating unless you can control the temperature...
Idebenone is not exactly Co Q10 but it's a slightly different synthetic version and therefore is patented... |
Skinactives sells Idebenone only as far as I can find, and that is where it was purchased in the post by fitgineer. |
Hi DarkMoon, skinactives also sells Co Q10: http://www.skinactives.com/Coenzyme-Q10.html |
Thanks daler,  I must have managed to miss that! |
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:09 am |
| no problem DarkMoon, you are welcome! I love Co Q10, Idebenone has not caused any issues for me either but I use Co Q10 |
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:18 am |
| daler wrote: |
| no problem DarkMoon, you are welcome! I love Co Q10, Idebenone has not caused any issues for me either but I use Co Q10 |
I have not had a problem with either myself, but I know some do with Idebenone.
Thanks again for correcting about skinactives!  |
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:50 pm |
Thats about when I noticed a serious change too, around 27. I recommend dumping the Mario Badescu products, they are drying and IMHO counterproductive to anti aging. Get to the root of the acne congestion issues.
Start thinking about Retin A (knocked out my beginning forehead lines in about a year and a half and got rid of my acne), get used to some serious sunscreen and big sunglasses for the crows feet. Devita works for me, but this is purely personal. DIY Vitamin C in the morning is another workhorse, and I layer CPs with my Retin A at night.
The only thing I have left to attack is faint smile line (one side, and this is not the side I sleep on, just a result of normal facial structure variation). I've battled this line for a few years and have been unable to find a permanent solution. I saw good results with a few things but it came right back if my life got too busy to devote time to it.
It took me a long time to find combos that work for me, fortunately none of these break the bank. Everybody's different though. |
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Late 30's, fair skin, dark hair. Retin A, DIY potions. Missions completed- acne, acne scarring, 11's, redness, contact dermatitis. Working on maintenence and cellulite. |
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:37 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| daler wrote: |
| no problem DarkMoon, you are welcome! I love Co Q10, Idebenone has not caused any issues for me either but I use Co Q10 |
I have not had a problem with either myself, but I know some do with Idebenone.
Thanks again for correcting about skinactives! |
Was wondering what negative side effects Idebenone has vs CoQ10?... Thank you! |
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:39 pm |
| fitgineer wrote: |
Was wondering what negative side effects Idebenone has vs CoQ10?... Thank you! |
some people get an allergic reaction to Idebenone....redness, breaking out.... |
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:43 pm |
I only use Mario Badescu Anti-Acne serum at night, and the rest are spot treatments, if acne does occur. I use the Mario Badescu Vitamin C serum and the Hyaluronic eye cream as well. Unlike all other acne products I've tried, MB are the only ones that do not dry my skin (as for the non acne products, they definitely do not dry my skin). None of them have Benzoyl Peroxide as an ingredient.
I do want to start using a Retin A or tretinoid, but I have to do some research first. I am not sure what concentration would be good to start with, frequency, if it can be used in the under eye area, etc...
I am kinda scared of copper peptides after reading all the issues some people have had with them...
How did you eventually find a regimen that works for you? Trial and error after research? did you consult a dermatologist?
Thank you!
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Thats about when I noticed a serious change too, around 27. I recommend dumping the Mario Badescu products, they are drying and IMHO counterproductive to anti aging. Get to the root of the acne congestion issues.
Start thinking about Retin A (knocked out my beginning forehead lines in about a year and a half and got rid of my acne), get used to some serious sunscreen and big sunglasses for the crows feet. Devita works for me, but this is purely personal. DIY Vitamin C in the morning is another workhorse, and I layer CPs with my Retin A at night.
The only thing I have left to attack is faint smile line (one side, and this is not the side I sleep on, just a result of normal facial structure variation). I've battled this line for a few years and have been unable to find a permanent solution. I saw good results with a few things but it came right back if my life got too busy to devote time to it.
It took me a long time to find combos that work for me, fortunately none of these break the bank. Everybody's different though. |
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