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Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:10 pm  |
Lol Jaeblue semantics. I meant skin care. Also known as cosmetic preparations in some places.
I am a trained aromatherapist and aesthetician. I understand about the skin barrier and penetration. Essential oils are not what our skin care is made up of. I re-iterate that it is not so easy to get the kind of actives we want to use to the place they will be effective. If need be I will spend time digging up articles on the science involved with trying to get basic substances to penetrate beyond the epidermis. The reason we have utilized ionization and now ultrasound is specifically to enhance penetration - which is well known to be quite poor for most substances. Just because essential oils are absorbed, it does not mean that peptides, antioxidants, and vitamins always get to the level we would like, or certainly even that our ultrasounds will force them further than we would like. Hopefully they will help with penetration to get the kind of results they are shown to have in tests. I think if we were looking at systemic issues, there would be some problems by now. I think its always really difficult when non-scientists start trying to understand anatomy and scientific principles without putting the time in to read up on what is involved.
I am not saying it is impossible to push harmful chemicals into the body. I would use a serum and gel that had a few natural ingredients. But I am not going to get unnecessarily worried about how strong I think this device is. It may enhance penetration, but it will sonicate large molecules into smaller ones and force them into your bloodstream. Hopefully instead of sitting upon your epidermis, some of what we use gets to the dermis. This would be particularly great in the case of melasma and pigmentation issues, especially if we could cut down on having to use harsh treatments. |
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Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:48 pm |
Once again - just do what makes you comfortable! As we all will!
For me - less chemicals always better! Not worried if there are a few, but always buy the less.
OK - by evening cords are still 95% gone. Wowza!
Even if it only does that, I'll keep it. So far - very happy with this and I'm using just a miniscule amount of face serum with it.
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Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:01 pm |
In order for Ultrasound to actually help those actives to penetrate the epidermis, said actives must be ionized.
1.) If you aren't using a ready made product/gel that (hopefully) has the ionization aspect covered, then what is your plan?
2.) Sodium should be a given in these water based gels, but I don't think most people are getting that. (There are plenty of ingredients available, including ionized table salt in a pinch.)
3.) Any product with oil or silicone in it will disperse the sound waves, and NOT allow the actives to pass through. These things flatten the SC, and cause a barrier over the hair follicles and pores, so the charged particles/molecules won't be able to penetrate through that.
4.) Your active of choice must be ionized into (+) & (-) ions, what is your plan for that?
5.) Did you know that "pulsed" wave is better for product penetration than "continuous?" And that the pH is of utmost importance for active you want to penetrate?
6.) Be extremely sure the actives you choose are not only compatible, but very well preserved. (Wouldn't want to push mold and critters way down into that lovely skin.)
Anyhoo, just a few thoughts I wanted to share, to keep you guys from wasting your time (or worse.)
As for me, I'll stick to my trusty little dermaroller for product penetration I think.. |
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Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:21 pm |
| JaeBlue wrote: |
Once again - just do what makes you comfortable!
As we all will!!
For me - less chemicals always better! |
I'm not going to argue with that! But if you believe that what goes on the skin ends up in the blood stream - I think that would be equally problematic for natural products as well. Just because something is "natural" doesn't mean that it should be swimming around in our bloodstream. After all arsenic is a natural substance. |
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Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:38 pm |
| Kassy_A wrote: |
In order for Ultrasound to actually help those actives to penetrate the epidermis, said actives must be ionized.
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Kassy, I am not sure 100% sure that is true in all cases. The Sqoom/Fyola/Merbe have an ionization chip that requires you to touch both contact points in order to generate ions. But not all devices have that. |
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Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:43 pm |
| Kassy_A wrote: |
5.) Did you know that "pulsed" wave is better for product penetration than "continuous?" And that the pH is of utmost importance for active you want to penetrate?
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I love dermarolling, have seen great skin improvement with that!
Interesting you should say that about "pulsed" today I put a drop of water on the head of this unit, as they tell you to do to see if it is working, I could see the pulse. I wondered about that - ?!
My neck cords are still 95% gone. Don't know what to make about that - I'm using barely any skin product with it. But it's pretty darn cool!
Keliu - not going down this path. I could post 200 internet sites to dispute, what a waste of time. I just don't believe that some transdermal creams can go into your blood stream, I know it. I eat a really healthy, mainly organic, all plant diet, I avoid synthetic chemicals in my life - am aware that not all natural substances are healthy, obviously. Nor are all synthetic bad. That's what education is for. You can do whatever you want with your body - with mine it's slow, easy and careful. I study very carefully before I do anything to my body that is new or "cutting edge". That approach in mid-50's has stood me incredibly well. In every area of my life!
No need to argue - everyone follow your own gut! |
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Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:52 pm |
| bethany wrote: |
| Kassy_A wrote: |
In order for Ultrasound to actually help those actives to penetrate the epidermis, said actives must be ionized.
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Kassy, I am not sure 100% sure that is true in all cases. The Sqoom/Fyola/Merbe have an ionization chip that requires you to touch both contact points in order to generate ions. But not all devices have that. |
Bethany, the RK requires that you touch a piece of metal in the back of it. |
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Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:54 pm |
| JaeBlue wrote: |
| bethany wrote: |
| Kassy_A wrote: |
In order for Ultrasound to actually help those actives to penetrate the epidermis, said actives must be ionized.
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Kassy, I am not sure 100% sure that is true in all cases. The Sqoom/Fyola/Merbe have an ionization chip that requires you to touch both contact points in order to generate ions. But not all devices have that. |
Bethany,the RK requires that you touch a piece of metal in the back of it. |
Makes sense! And I am glad you are seeing great results so soon! |
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Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:56 pm |
How is yours doing? Can we compare notes?
I have 26 days to make a decision and switch - would love to see what results you're getting, too. |
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Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:07 pm |
| JaeBlue wrote: |
How is yours doing? Can we compare notes?
I have 26 days to make a decision and switch - would love to see what results you're getting, too. |
Of course! FYI that my Sqoom gels will arrive by Wed, and I am going to try and assess any differences between using the Merbe with regular HA vs the Sqoom gels. I'll also go back and see when I started using the Merbe for comparison's sake. |
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Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:56 am |
| cabrita wrote: |
Chiqui 65 - Not sure I understand your question but re the sunscreens I have tried - prior to the European (Mexoryl based) I had used some US based but never had the chemical taste before. (I was also pretty slack on using sunscreen & was more into sun avoidance - much easier when you work from home.)
I have since just been using Zinc based & have never had this happen!  |
Thanks, now I understand what you mean by "European" (they are not ALL Mexoryl-based).
Zinc and Titanium dioxide are better for sure! |
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Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:00 am |
| JaeBlue wrote: |
| Someone posted a link to a German co making serums for ultrasound. Been emailing them, the man is a wiz! |
Can you please give me the link?
Thanks in advance.  |
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Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:49 am |
Hi JaeBlue - Great news about your neck! I could use more help here also. The Pico has helped a lot on my face but my neck is still not where I would like it to be. Also use US (2 & 3mhz) but this has not rid me of the cords.
I am curious as to which setting/s you are using? In looking at there manual the Rex Aura does not seem to have a setting for combo US/ Galvanic + and - ions. I know the old Fyola (the new one does not allow combining of U/galv/or infrared), Merbe & Sqoom all have this & wonder if this is key or not for lifting as it does not seem to be in your case. If anyone else using that setting/s on one of the aforementioned devices would care to comment would love to hear. |
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Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:11 am |
FYI that I received my Burnout Skin Fix gel today. I'll try it out tonight with the Merbe.
Also, my Sqoom gels (Med-RO and HyaGel) should be here by next Wednesday. |
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Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:03 pm |
| JaeBlue wrote: |
I have 26 days to make a decision and switch - would love to see what results you're getting, too. |
Hi JaeBlue, I purchased a Rex Kara II from newegg. Thanks for the heads up on the discount. The promo code for $100.00 off is good till the end of September now. I don't know if you noticed but, the website says returns may be subject to a 15% restock fee.
I used mine for the first time today. I was wondering why the lights go on and off when using the infrared during the treatment.
Also, I know you are supposed to touch the ion plate during modes 1 and 2. But, does it matter if you touch it during the other modes? It would be kind of hard not to.
Thanks |
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Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:10 pm |
| bethany wrote: |
FYI that I received my Burnout Skin Fix gel today. I'll try it out tonight with the Merbe.
Also, my Sqoom gels (Med-RO and HyaGel) should be here by next Wednesday. |
Hi bethany, Can't wait to hear what you think of the HyaGel. I'm considering the cleanser too. Did you order from the Dr.Serene website? Can you tell me what kind of cleanser you use with your Merbe. Thank you. |
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Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:47 pm |
| cabrita wrote: |
I am curious as to which setting/s you are using? In looking at there manual the Rex Aura does not seem to have a setting for combo US/ Galvanic + and - ions. I know the old Fyola (the new one does not allow combining of U/galv/or infrared), Merbe & Sqoom all have this & wonder if this is key or not for lifting as it does not seem to be in your case. If anyone else using that setting/s on one of the aforementioned devices would care to comment would love to hear. |
It has a setting with Ultrasound, Galvanic and LED. #2. That's the setting I'm using.
Is that different from Fyola?
I just purchased an all natural ultrasound gel today too! One day at a time, figuring this out!
OH BTW this is JaeBlue - this is the name I need to post under. JaeBlue is connected to an email address that I don't use and soon can't use! Thx |
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Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:04 pm |
Hi JaeBlue, I purchased a Rex Kara II from newegg. Thanks for the heads up on the discount. The promo code for $100.00 off is good till the end of September now. I don't know if you noticed but, the website says returns may be subject to a 15% restock fee.
I used mine for the first time today. I was wondering why the lights go on and off when using the infrared during the treatment.
Also, I know you are supposed to touch the ion plate during modes 1 and 2. But, does it matter if you touch it during the other modes? It would be kind of hard not to.
Thanks
Yes, I saw the restocking fee. I figured with the $160 discount it was still worth the gamble.
I don't know why they go on and off? But I'll ask and send the woman at the company over to this thread. Perhaps they pulse along with the Ultrasound? I have a very high end LED device so I don't use mine for that feature. But I will say, that one pulses, too, but much faster.
I think that you have to touch the back only on modes 1 & 2 because those are the only ones that are Galvonic. It's the electrical current of this. I don't think it matters if you touch it in the others and yes, impossible not to.
http://www.skinrejuvenex.com/product-reviews/galvanic-device-its-benefits/
Boy - this all sounds kind of Frankenstein-ish! But I will say years ago I was given a FaceMaster and it was really effective - but too much hassle. I do think Galvonic works and this unit seems strong to me as I said, I can feel it in my teeth like I did with the FM. |
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Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:31 am |
Hi Rapunzell/JaeBlue, I thought I thanked the wrong person for posting the newegg discount. I was just about to apologize. Thanks again for letting us know about it. I appreciate you asking about the lights for me.
I feel it in my teeth too. The same with microcurrent. Quite an unpleasant feeling. Looking forward to sharing and hearing everyone's results. Take care. |
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Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:55 am |
| packratmack wrote: |
Hi Rapunzell/JaeBlue, I thought I thanked the wrong person for posting the newegg discount. I was just about to apologize. Thanks again for letting us know about it. I appreciate you asking about the lights for me.
I feel it in my teeth too. The same with microcurrent. Quite an unpleasant feeling. Looking forward to sharing and hearing everyone's results. Take care. |
I sent her the question and the link to this page!
What product are you using with it?
I'm a little confused - I saw a Youtube video where she first used the ultrasound gel and did the full treatment, then next used an anti-aging serum and just used the ultrasound and went over her face again . . . ???!!
This makes sense to me - but maybe not to those who know more. |
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Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:44 am |
| Kassy_A wrote: |
In order for Ultrasound to actually help those actives to penetrate the epidermis, said actives must be ionized.
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Is it possible to DIY ionized gels or is it very complicated?  |
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Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:59 am |
What about this one - jellen organic ultrasound gel -
Aloe Barbadensis (Organic Aloe Juice), Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, d-Calcium Pantothenate (Vitamin B5), Hamamellis Virginiana (Witch Hazel), Phenoxyethanol, Dimethlaminoethanol (DMAE Bitartrate), Carbomer, TEA (Triethanolamine), Tetrasodium EDTA, Citric Acid.
Would anybody who knows about this stuff give their thoughts on this please? |
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Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:09 am |
| LizzieG wrote: |
What about this one - jellen organic ultrasound gel -
Aloe Barbadensis (Organic Aloe Juice), Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, d-Calcium Pantothenate (Vitamin B5), Hamamellis Virginiana (Witch Hazel), Phenoxyethanol, Dimethlaminoethanol (DMAE Bitartrate), Carbomer, TEA (Triethanolamine), Tetrasodium EDTA, Citric Acid.
Would anybody who knows about this stuff give their thoughts on this please? |
I may buy this one myself if I don't like the Burnout Skin Fix. |
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