Retinol - DIY
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free skin care · Sat May 19, 2012 6:32 am

Hey,
Does anyone know a good supplier of retinol that I can use in DIY? The companies that I use do not carry it.. Have any of you used in DIY and where did you purchase the retinol?

thanks!

free skin care · Sat May 19, 2012 7:15 am

I could only find this one

http://www.makingcosmetics.com/Liposomes/Vitamin-A-Microcaps-retinol-p327.html

free skin care · Sat May 19, 2012 7:18 am

Lotusesther wrote:

I could only find this one

http://www.makingcosmetics.com/Liposomes/Vitamin-A-Microcaps-retinol-p327.html

They are a great supplier! Very Happy

free skin care · Sat May 19, 2012 7:23 am

Thanks Lotusesther and DarkMoon!
Smile

free skin care · Sat May 19, 2012 11:18 am

I buy my PURE retinol from here:

http://stores.skinessentialactives.com/-strse-40/Retinol%2C-Vitamin-A-Acetate/Detail.bok

Check the ingredients in the product MakingCosmetics.com offers:

"INCI Name: Aqua (and) glycine soja (glycine soja (soybean) oil (and) retinol (and) cellulose gum (and) acrylates/C10-30 alkyl acrylate cross-polymer (and) chitosan."

EW.
Sad

free skin care · Sat May 19, 2012 11:43 am

erg wrote:

Hey,
Does anyone know a good supplier of retinol that I can use in DIY? The companies that I use do not carry it.. Have any of you used in DIY and where did you purchase the retinol?

thanks!

I've been very happy with my retinyl palmitate purchases from this U.S. company located in Oregon;

http://www.essentialwholesale.com/s.nl/sc.9/category.137815/.f

Keep in fridge. It solidifies in fridge, so rest at room temp a few minutes before formulating with it. I've experimented with many concentrations and find 1% to be my personal best.

Short shelf life (3 to 6 months) in fridge so buy small. 1oz will last a long time. (And yes I've found it remains potent long after 6 months.)

For a 1oz serum/lotion/cream you would only use .3 ml to achieve 1%.

free skin care · Sat May 19, 2012 11:45 am

wonderful, thanks for passing that along

free skin care · Sat May 19, 2012 11:51 am

fawnie wrote:

I buy my PURE retinol from here:

http://stores.skinessentialactives.com/-strse-40/Retinol%2C-Vitamin-A-Acetate/Detail.bok

Check the ingredients in the product MakingCosmetics.com offers:

"INCI Name: Aqua (and) glycine soja (glycine soja (soybean) oil (and) retinol (and) cellulose gum (and) acrylates/C10-30 alkyl acrylate cross-polymer (and) chitosan."

EW.
Sad

Retinyl Palmitate must be suspended in an oil base for preservation. There is no such thing as "PURE".

I don't pretend to know how they do it in Taiwan though.

free skin care · Sat May 19, 2012 11:53 am

erg wrote:

wonderful, thanks for passing that along

Anytime erg! Hit me up (PM) if you need any ideas or help with formulating.

free skin care · Sat May 19, 2012 3:12 pm

Well for one thing... retinol isnt the same as retinyl palmitate. Wink

This is what Dr Todorov has to say about it:
http://www.smartskincare.com/treatments/topical/retinol.html

Retinol is soluble in water/absolute alcohol, so no oil is needed - nice for those who dont want to use oils in a serum I think.

And did you know that 99% of the ingredients you use are originally from China? Pays to read the fine print and check your sources. I find some ingredients made in France and Germany, less from Japan. Most originate in China no matter where you buy them from.

free skin care · Sat May 19, 2012 3:44 pm

It's my understanding that those who want to use it for rolling Dr. Fernandez recommends RP as the A of choice. Smile

free skin care · Sat May 19, 2012 5:45 pm

DarkMoon wrote:

It's my understanding that those who want to use it for rolling Dr. Fernandez recommends RP as the A of choice. Smile

That is my understanding as well. I plan is to incorporate A and C serums into my routine for a about 6 months before I attempt a deeper roll. I am using a roller now for just product penetration. Ouch! But worth it!

Thanks for all the great suggestions everyone.

free skin care · Sat May 19, 2012 6:29 pm

fawnie wrote:

Well for one thing... retinol isnt the same as retinyl palmitate. Wink

This is what Dr Todorov has to say about it:
http://www.smartskincare.com/treatments/topical/retinol.html

Retinol is soluble in water/absolute alcohol, so no oil is needed - nice for those who dont want to use oils in a serum I think.

And did you know that 99% of the ingredients you use are originally from China? Pays to read the fine print and check your sources. I find some ingredients made in France and Germany, less from Japan. Most originate in China no matter where you buy them from.

I don't think Vitamin A Acetate is the exact same thing as retinol, or may be I am wrong? I have been purchasing this from skinactives for years and I believed it's not the same as retinol...

free skin care · Sat May 19, 2012 6:58 pm

fawnie wrote:

Well for one thing... retinol isnt the same as retinyl palmitate. Wink

This is what Dr Todorov has to say about it:
http://www.smartskincare.com/treatments/topical/retinol.html

Have you purchased Dr T's "DIY Infopack"? Here's what he suggests for making a Vit A & E Cream;

"You can combine vitamin E and vitamin A in one cream. Add the content of one or two 400IU vitamin E softgels and one or two 10,000IU vitamin A softgels per ounce of the base cream"...

Nuff said! Rolling Eyes

Anyhoo, to each their own... Wink

free skin care · Sat May 19, 2012 7:49 pm

Fawnie is talking about retinol acetate, Kassy is talking about retinyl palmitate. Two different animals, simple mistake anyone can make.

Daler retinyl acetate and retinol acetate are one and the same
http://webbook.nist.gov/cgi/cbook.cgi?ID=127-47-9

free skin care · Sat May 19, 2012 7:57 pm

When in doubt, check the molecular formula and weight:

Retinol Acetate:
Also known as RETINYL ACETATE, Vitamin A acetate, Retinol, acetate, all-trans-Retinyl acetate, Crystalets, all-trans-Retinol acetate.
Molecular Formula: C22H32O2
Molecular Weight: 328.48828

Retinol palmitate:
Also known as retinyl palmitate, VITAMIN A PALMITATE, all-trans-Retinyl palmitate, Arovit, Retinol hexadecanoate, Aquapalm, Dispatabs Tabs, Vitazyme A
Molecular Formula: C36H60O2
Molecular Weight: 524.8604

Vitamin A (Retinol):
Also known as retinol, all-trans-Retinol, Vitamin A1, Alphalin, Axerophthol, trans-retinol, Oleovitamin A, Alphasterol, Ophthalamin
Molecular Formula: C20H30O
Molecular Weight: 286.4516

http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=638034&loc=ec_rcs

http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=5280531&loc=ec_rcs

http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=445354&loc=ec_rcs

They are all different ingredients.

free skin care · Sun May 20, 2012 6:24 am

erg wrote:

That is my understanding as well. I plan is to incorporate A and C serums into my routine for a about 6 months before I attempt a deeper roll. I am using a roller now for just product penetration. Ouch! But worth it!

Thanks for all the great suggestions everyone.

Perfect, erg. I am so glad to see someone following Dr. F's recommendation of longer term use of A and C before rolling!

free skin care · Sun May 20, 2012 12:32 pm

erg wrote:

DarkMoon wrote:

It's my understanding that those who want to use it for rolling Dr. Fernandez recommends RP as the A of choice. Smile

That is my understanding as well. I plan is to incorporate A and C serums into my routine for a about 6 months before I attempt a deeper roll. I am using a roller now for just product penetration. Ouch! But worth it!

Thanks for all the great suggestions everyone.

I took a short break from A and C initially while first trialing the AnteAGE (about a week), but added them back thanks to Riley (I really picked her brain!) and Dr. Fernandez prepping for my first roll!

I defiantly want to do it the right way! Very Happy

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 7:03 am

You are correct Lacy53,

I like this one:
Vitamin A (Retinol):
Also known as retinol, all-trans-Retinol, Vitamin A1, Alphalin, Axerophthol, trans-retinol, Oleovitamin A, Alphasterol, Ophthalamin
Molecular Formula: C20H30O
Molecular Weight: 286.4516

In the pure form as well.

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 10:53 am

Unless you make an emulsion, the type of Vitamin A you use would depend on whether you are making a oil based serum or water based serum.

BFG

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 10:55 am

Can be either or. Depends on the purpose.

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 10:58 am

I've been using the retinyl palmitate in my "kitchen witch" oil based dermal rolling serum.

I use other forms of Vitamin A separately at other times.

BFG

free skin care · Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:55 pm

Barefootgirl wrote:

I've been using the retinyl palmitate in my "kitchen witch" oil based dermal rolling serum.

I use other forms of Vitamin A separately at other times.

BFG

RP is Dr F's choice, so it's all good! (That paper you and Beth posted elsewhere, should put your mind at ease.)

free skin care · Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:10 pm

Kassy_A wrote:

Barefootgirl wrote:

I've been using the retinyl palmitate in my "kitchen witch" oil based dermal rolling serum.

I use other forms of Vitamin A separately at other times.

BFG

RP is Dr F's choice, so it's all good! (That paper you and Beth posted elsewhere, should put your mind at ease.)

That is my plan of action, DIY with RP and Tetra C!
Might add some Vitamin D3 that I bought in pure Olive Oil! Smile

free skin care · Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:05 am

DarkMoon wrote:

Kassy_A wrote:

Barefootgirl wrote:

I've been using the retinyl palmitate in my "kitchen witch" oil based dermal rolling serum.

I use other forms of Vitamin A separately at other times.

BFG

RP is Dr F's choice, so it's all good! (That paper you and Beth posted elsewhere, should put your mind at ease.)

That is my plan of action, DIY with RP and Tetra C!
Might add some Vitamin D3 that I bought in pure Olive Oil! Smile

D3.. Hadn't thought of that. Great idea. I am thinking the same. Add all of this to Skin Actives Antiox booster and a little virgin palm oil (thanks Kassy).. it will be antioxidants galore!

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