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Fri May 25, 2012 3:59 am      Reply with quote
There is a chart in Dr. Setterfield's book in which he lists the products most preferred for skin rejuvenation, in descending order of preference.

At the top of the list - growth factors. He mentions where they come from (plants, animals, etc.) but makes no specific recommendations.

Can someone provide examples? I am drawing a blank.

The rest of his list goes on to reflect the usual suspects: vitamins, copper peptides, DMAE, hyaluronic acid, aminos, minerals, etc.

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Fri May 25, 2012 9:55 am      Reply with quote
I am not quite sure about your question. There are plenty of products out there with growth hormones, you can even buy EGF for DIY skincare. There are also several short articles to be found on preparations with cytokines and growth factors. Gold and Goldman, from Gold Skin Care Centre in Nashville, have published some articles. Maybe you could contact their skin care centre to find out if they use cytokine and growth factor serums in conjunction with derma rolling?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17373178
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Fri May 25, 2012 1:48 pm      Reply with quote
Lotusesther wrote:
I am not quite sure about your question. There are plenty of products out there with growth hormones, you can even buy EGF for DIY skincare. There are also several short articles to be found on preparations with cytokines and growth factors. Gold and Goldman, from Gold Skin Care Centre in Nashville, have published some articles. Maybe you could contact their skin care centre to find out if they use cytokine and growth factor serums in conjunction with derma rolling?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17373178


Great article Lotus,

I see they used cultured human fetal skin cells in the study!

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Fri May 25, 2012 2:47 pm      Reply with quote
Lotusesther wrote:
I am not quite sure about your question. There are plenty of products out there with growth hormones, you can even buy EGF for DIY skincare. There are also several short articles to be found on preparations with cytokines and growth factors. Gold and Goldman, from Gold Skin Care Centre in Nashville, have published some articles. Maybe you could contact their skin care centre to find out if they use cytokine and growth factor serums in conjunction with derma rolling?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17373178

Kinetin is also a cytokine and much more readily available than human growth factors.
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Fri May 25, 2012 3:24 pm      Reply with quote
You can read all about Kinetin here it is almost my age discovered in 1955, a plant horemone:

1955: Kinetin Arrives. The 50th Anniversary of a New Plant Hormone

Richard Amasino*
Department of Biochemistry, University of Wisconsin, Madison, Wisconsin 53706

http://www.plantphysiol.org/content/138/3/1177.full.pdf

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Sun May 27, 2012 3:22 am      Reply with quote
fawnie wrote:
Lotusesther wrote:
I am not quite sure about your question. There are plenty of products out there with growth hormones, you can even buy EGF for DIY skincare. There are also several short articles to be found on preparations with cytokines and growth factors. Gold and Goldman, from Gold Skin Care Centre in Nashville, have published some articles. Maybe you could contact their skin care centre to find out if they use cytokine and growth factor serums in conjunction with derma rolling?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17373178

Kinetin is also a cytokine and much more readily available than human growth factors.


I didn't realize Kinetin is a cytokine. Shock Thank you fawnie!
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Sun May 27, 2012 5:33 am      Reply with quote
It's a cytokinine, which is something not quite the same

http://employees.csbsju.edu/ssaupe/biol327/Lecture/cytokinin.htm

Basically, a plant growth hormone. Which brings us back to plant stem cells, meristem extracts (cytokinines are found in the hair roots of plants, where growth is continuous) et cetera. Kinetin is also found in coconut water and coconut milk.
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Sun May 27, 2012 6:18 am      Reply with quote
Interesting, thank you Lotuesther Smile Especially interesting about it being found in coconut water and milk. I wonder if it is also found in coconut oil and if there is any benefit in consuming Kinetin internally. That's definitely not something I've heard before!
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Sun May 27, 2012 6:19 am      Reply with quote
Barefootgirl wrote:
There is a chart in Dr. Setterfield's book in which he lists the products most preferred for skin rejuvenation, in descending order of preference.

At the top of the list - growth factors. He mentions where they come from (plants, animals, etc.) but makes no specific recommendations.

Can someone provide examples? I am drawing a blank.

The rest of his list goes on to reflect the usual suspects: vitamins, copper peptides, DMAE, hyaluronic acid, aminos, minerals, etc.

BFG


BFG, I realize that the Dr. didn't recommend products, but by any chance did he mention what types of growth factors are best, either plant, animal or human based? I would assume human based, but just curious if he noted a preference.
(I'm wondering if SkinMedica TNS might be a good addition to dermarolling. Has anyone asked Dr. DF about using TNS, along with the Environ A & C product?)
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Sun May 27, 2012 8:53 am      Reply with quote
Although, I must say that the results (before and after pics) from the Environ treatment (A and C) along with PCI (needling) is obviously working very, very well. I don't feel a need to change Dr. Fernandes' protocol by adding anything new, cytokines, growth factors or otherwise, until Dr. F suggests doing so...his current method works, that much is quite clear to me, so I'm sticking with the Environ method. Smile
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