Seeking feedback on Pratima Sunscreen
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Tue May 29, 2012 1:50 pm

I've been using Epicuren Zinc SPF 20 for about a year, but have been getting color with it and am not completely comfortable with the nano-sized zinc. Any recent experiences with Pratima's sunscreens? I know some report color/burning with these as well, but I'm attracted by the slightly higher % of micronized zinc. Thank you in advance!

free skin care · Tue May 29, 2012 2:27 pm

I use this and love it. I do not get color through Pratima. I will say, IMO, it is for someone with dryer skin. I could see it leaving an oily skin too "greasy" feeling.

free skin care · Tue May 29, 2012 3:19 pm

Have you run a search on the reviews section? This is one of the most frequently recommended suscreens.

free skin care · Tue May 29, 2012 4:10 pm

I vote for Pratima. I use the Neem Vetiver body version on my face and body (more economical/same ingreds/diff scent).

It is rather moist looking so I blot with Japanese blotting papers before I go out anywhere special.

Havent gotten any color either.

I also like Osmosis Shelter the current version with red algae. It stays on til I wash it off and isnt ghostly or greasy.

I like Live-Live Organics spf30 too- it is a zinc/titanium ss that is invisible too. Not greasy. Protects well.

Tue May 29, 2012 4:58 pm

Thanks so much, I appreciate your replies! I haven't checked the reviews section yet, but I will. I have dryish skin, so the less-than-matte finish sounds good to me. I'm also glad to hear, Rileygirl, that you haven't gotten any color with this. I think I will give the vetiver version a go.

free skin care · Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:32 pm

The last few years around in late November, Pratima has had a free shipping deal. I've not seen anything so far, has anyone else? I'd like to re-order the sunscreen.

Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:12 am

Firefox7275 wrote:

Have you run a search on the reviews section? This is one of the most frequently recommended suscreens.

Really it works for oily skin.I will

free skin care · Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:01 am

Fawnie wrote:

I also like Osmosis Shelter the current version with red algae. It stays on til I wash it off and isnt ghostly or greasy.

Just so everyone knows, Osmosis Shelter is the exact same product as Sircuit Skin Sol-Avert but the Sol-Avert is cheaper and offers more product.

I confirmed this with an Osmosis rep who said they use the same lab. So much for unique skin care!

free skin care · Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:24 pm

Lightshox wrote:

Fawnie wrote:

I also like Osmosis Shelter the current version with red algae. It stays on til I wash it off and isnt ghostly or greasy.

Just so everyone knows, Osmosis Shelter is the exact same product as Sircuit Skin Sol-Avert but the Sol-Avert is cheaper and offers more product.

I confirmed this with an Osmosis rep who said they use the same lab. So much for unique skin care!

Let's add:
MyChelle Replenishing Solar Defense SPF 30

This sunscreen ALSO has the same ingredients as the Osmosis and Sircuit Sunscreens! and it seems to be a little less expensive too.
Now you have 3 options Smile

It is your choice how much you want to pay for the same formula. Wink

Here are the ingredients:
Zinc Oxide (ZinClear) (13.5%)
Aqua (water), caprylic/capric triglyceride (coconut)**, isodecyl neopentanoate (vegetable), ethyl macadamiate (macadamia oil), aleurites moluccana seed oil*, glycerin (vegetable), hydrolyzed starch phosphate, hydrogenated palm glycerides, candelilla/jojoba/rice bran polyglyceryl-3 esters, potassium cetyl phosphate (vegetable), ergothioneine (L) (amino-acid), porphyra umbilicalis (red algae) extract, macadamia ternifolia seed oil, hordeum distichon (barley) extract, phellodendron amurense (cork-tree) bark extract, malic acid (L) (apple), tocopherol, tocopheryl acetate, lecithin (vegetable), santalum album (sandalwood) extract, lonicera caprifolium (honeysuckle) flower extract, lonicera japonica (honeysuckle) flower extract, glyceryl isostearate (vegetable fatty acid), glyceryl stearate (vegetable), polyglyceryl-10 pentastearate (plant), behenyl alcohol (rapeseed oil), alcohol denatured (grain)*, sodium stearoyl lactylate (salt), hydroxypropyl methylcellulose (plant), cetearyl alcohol (coconut), sodium lactate (salt)

free skin care · Wed May 01, 2013 9:30 pm

Anyone know what's going on with Pratima sunscreen, specifically the Neem Body version? It's been out of stock for at least 6 weeks. Are they discontinuing it?

http://www.pratimaskincare.com/neem-vetiver-body-sunscreen

I tried emailing their customer service, but got no response to my question on when it would be back in stock.

As my sunscreen supply is dwindling, I may have to find a new body brand soon.

free skin care · Thu May 09, 2013 10:24 pm

For those interested in the Pratima sunscreen supply, I did get a response from their customer service:

Thanks for your interest in Neem Vetiver Body Sunscreen.

We apologize that this item being out of stock, especially as it is one of our most popular items. Unfortunately one of our herbal ingredients, which is integral to our formula, is temporarily unavailable. While we don't have an exact date of its arrival, we estimate the product will be available in 3 to 5 weeks. Of course, if it becomes available sooner, we will notify you immediately.

We will keep your information on our priority wait list and notify you of any updates on availability.

Many thanks for your interest and your patience,

PRATIMA Customer Care

free skin care · Sun May 12, 2013 11:57 am

Ive switched to Uriage sunscreens. Pratima's shipping is too high and the frequent out of stock messages are just a pain.

Im using this one right now and it gives skin a glowy naturally tanned look and moisturizes perfectly on top of my C serum. Smells fresh and delightful. So far, no burning or tanning when I remove it at night. Goes on without a white cast:

"Uriage Bariésun SPF 50+ Gold Tinted Cream is a very high protection sun cream, enriched in Uriage Thermal Water which provides moisturizing and protective properties.This cream is hypoallergenic, and designed to sensitive skins. It offers a broad protection to the skin from the UVA and UVB rays thanks to its very performing filtering complex with Tinsorb M. Slightly golden, it offers a heathly glow effect to your complexion, for a radiant and perfectly protected skin.Waterproof, it has a light and non-greasy texture.Free from octocrylen, cinnamate, paraben, alcohol."
http://www.amazon.com/Uriage-Bari%C3%A9sun-Gold-Tinted-Cream/dp/B007NM2J66/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1368384161&sr=8-5&keywords=uriage+sunscreen

Ingredients in Bariesun Gold Tinted Cream 50+:
"Aqua, Dicaprylyl Carbonate, Uriage Thermal Spring Water, Methylene Bis-Benzotriazolyl Tetramethylbutylphenol (Tinosorb M), Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil, Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane (avobenzone which is stabilized by Tinosorb and ethylhexyl triazone), Ethylhexyl Triazone, CI 77891 (Titanium Dioxide), C 20-22 Alkyl Phosphate, Triacontanyl PVP, C 20-22 Alcohols, CI 77492 (Iron Oxides), Glucose, Parfum (Fragrance), Chlorphenesin, Xanthan Gum, Benzoic Acid, Tetrasodium EDTA, Hydrogenated Polydecene, Sodium Hydroxide, Tocopheryl Acetate, O-Cymen-5-OL, Propylene Glycol, Trehalose, Citric Acid, Ascorbyl Tetraisopalmitate."
http://www.cocooncenter.co.uk/Uriage-Bariesun-SPF-50+-Gold-Tinted-Cream-50ml!13059.html#composition

The children's version is less exxy for a bigger tube and is not scented.
http://www.amazon.com/Uriage-Bari%C3%A9sun-Children-Milk-100ml/dp/B0060OTV5A/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1368384161&sr=8-3&keywords=uriage+sunscreen

About Tinosorb M (a European ingredient not available in USA sunscreens):
"By absorbing, reflecting and scattering the sun’s UV rays, Tinosorb M provides high-level broad spectrum coverage of UVA and UVB rays. It is also naturally stable and not susceptible to significant photodegradation (degradation upon exposure to sunlight)."
http://blog.pharmacymix.com/why-tinosorb-m-and-tinosorb-s-are-effective

About avobenzone's stability in this formula:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1562/0031-8655(2001)0740401POBMAA2.0.CO2/abstract

Buh-bye Pratima! Not talking

free skin care · Sun May 12, 2013 2:43 pm

Thanks fawnie, this looks like a good face alternative to Pratima. I've wanted to try something with tinsorb to see how it worked.

What do you use on body?

free skin care · Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:08 pm

Fawnie,

Methylene Bis-Benzotriazolyl Tetramethylbutylphenol is Tinosorb M, not Tinosorb S.

Thus, to me, the avobenzone in Uriage is not photo-stable and we should avoid using it.

If you want to use chemical sunscreen, you may try Anthelios Sunscreen La Roche-posay with Mexoplex which contains Mexoryl SX, Mexoryl XL and Tinosorb S; with these filters, avobenzone is stabilized.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44Ebf_L-E48

I have tried it but find it too greasy for me.

free skin care · Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:47 pm

Summer2004, are you absolutely sure that the avobenzone in Uriage is not stabilized by Tinosorb? (either Tinosorb S or M will stabilize it)

This chart shows that it is:

Tinosorb M: "Absorbs both UVA and UVB rays, reflects and scatters some of them too; Helps stabilize other UV filters (esp octinoxate)"
http://www.skinacea.com/sunscreen/uv-filters-chart.html#.UraHl2RDtM0

Tinosorb S and Tinosorb M are actually very similar and share the same benefits in sunscreens depending on which source you read.

Uriage also contains Uvinol T150 which is a stable UVB filter.

Re Anthelios: Besides being terribly greasy as you say, I have a problem with the Mexoryls since they absorb UVR and release it as thermal energy, which can be a problem for melasma sufferers:

Mexoryl SX and XL: "Absorbs UV rays, then releases the UV rays as thermal energy; No skin penetration"
http://www.skinacea.com/sunscreen/uv-filters-chart.html#.UraHl2RDtM0

I do appreciate your attention to detail tho and Ill run it by the Uriage ppl just to clarify.

free skin care · Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:14 am

Fawnie,

I don't know if avobenzone can be photostabilized by Tinosorb M and just present my comment based on the study that avobenzone could be stabilized by S, not M.

After all, my other concern is that we don't know how much of chemical filter A can stabilize chemical filter B.

Unlike physical sunscreen, chemical suncreen manufacturers usually don't disclose the % if the filters.

free skin care · Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:23 am

Its perplexing. But given all the sunscreens Ive tried, Uriage BarieSun Childrens works best for me. So thats my choice. You may choose otherwise based upon your experiences with sunscreens you have tried.

One dilemma is finding a stable sunscreen that is also cosmetically elegant and doesnt contain a lot of irritating ingredients. So Uriage Childrens is my choice based upon those factors. Splitting hairs by worrying over "what % of what" isnt my thing.

I maintain that avobenzone is stabilized by the Tinosorbs, both S and M, as the charts show. I await Uriage's information.

free skin care · Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:23 pm

Fawnie,

You may also seek advice of BASF too (as CIBA is now owned by BASF).

http://www.basf.com/group/corporate/en/brand/TINOSORB
http://www.personal-care.basf.com/contacts/

free skin care · Fri Dec 27, 2013 9:08 am

Anyway. Since the topic is Pratima sunscreen, they seem to have changed their formulation of the Neem Vetiver one at least. It goes on dry-ish now instead of the moist feel and long "play time" effect that it had last year. Looks dry on the skin after an hour or so instead of being a nice moisturizer. Anyone else notice this?

free skin care · Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:05 am

Re stability of filters used in Uriage Bariésun Children's spf50, I received this message from Uriage in France:

"We have been received your request concerning our product Bariésun Children’s SPF 50+.

We inform you that we use for sun products range Uriage an association of 3 chemical UV filters and they are Photostable without octocrylène. The filters are the following :

-Methylene bis-benzotriazolyl tetramethyl butylphenol or Tinosorb M absorbing UVB as well as UVA rays.
-Butyl Methoxy dibenzoylmethane or Avobenzone that absorbe the full spectrum of UVA rays.
-Ethyl Hexyl Triazone that absorbe the spectrum of UVB rays.

For the mineral sun product the UVA-UVAB complex is Titanium oxide and zinc oxide (mineral filters).

Hoping to meet your expectations,

Sincerely,

Sophie Chanteau
Scientific Communication"

So, its a very stable and broad spectrum sunscreen that isnt pasty white or greasy. I use it every day.

free skin care · Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:42 am

Fawnie,

I know you like Uriage; however, the reply did not mention if Tinosorb M would stabilize avobenzone.

Am I correct?

I think that it is better for you to check it out with BASF.

free skin care · Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:50 am

Summer2004,
all the information I read says that both the Tinosorbs stabilize avobenzone. But please be my guest if you would like to contact BASF! I dont have a dog in the race & I dont sell Uriage, but I use it.

free skin care · Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:18 pm

Fawnie,

Don't get me wrong, I did not imply that you'd any vested interest there; all I wanted to say was to question if Tinosorb M could stabilize avobenzone because the study only mentioned that if was Tinosorb S, not Tinsorb M, that could do the job.

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