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free skin care · Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:40 am

PQ, thank you so much for addressing this issue!
Your contribution to this forum is invaluable. Your knowledge blows me away. Sending love your way.

free skin care · Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:43 am

Bellezza wrote:

PQ, thank you so much for addressing this issue!
Your contribution to this forum is invaluable. Your knowledge blows me away. Sending love your way.

Bellezza, we are a big EDS family who support each other, whatever our backgrounds and experience. Sending you love and hugs!

PQ

free skin care · Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:17 am

Bellezza wrote:

PQ, thank you so much for addressing this issue!
Your contribution to this forum is invaluable. Your knowledge blows me away. Sending love your way.

Agree 200%!!!

free skin care · Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:45 pm

photoqueen wrote:

Bellezza wrote:

WOW Keliu! I'm so excited for you. I haven't been able to make a decision. The more videos I watch the more undecided I get. Now I wonder about the probes having to be positive and negative and in most devices the probes are not color coded. I wish PQ would come back and explain this.

Polarity, negative and positive probes are only important when you are using a machine that has a direct current output (galvanic treatments) which is a current that flows in one direction only; when modulated as a wave, its amplitude is constant. When used as part of a skin rejuvenation treatment it is called galvanic current treatment. This current has distinct and important polarity and marked secondary chemical effects on the skin.

Disincrustation Treatment - using the - anode electrode, with the client holding the + cathode in their hand. This is used for deep cleansing of the skin, stimulation of sluggish skin with a build up of keratinised cells and oils.

Iontophoresis Treatment - using the + cathode electrode with the client holding the - anode in their hand. This is used for to push products into the skin, to hydrate and rebalance the skin after the disincrustation.

Contraindications - do not use galvanic current on skin/clients with rosacea, dermatitis and highly vascular conditions.

Microcurrent.

Microcurrent uses alternating current a current that periodically flows in opposite directions; its amplitude fluctuates as a square wave. You do not need to consider the polarity of your probes, as the polarity changes at each cycle of the wave.

PQ

Great information PQ,you are a wealth of information..

You are the best!

free skin care · Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:25 pm

Here is a useful chart which came with my old "professional" unit. It shows the treatment procedure for placement of the probes.

Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:23 pm

Thanks so much, PQ & Keliu!

Keliu, can i ask you why you don't use the machine anymore?

free skin care · Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:21 pm

Yams wrote:

Thanks so much, PQ & Keliu!

Keliu, can i ask you why you don't use the machine anymore?

I went off it because I felt it was a bit tiring to do - then I got interested in microcurrent again and have just purchased a new machine which has gloves (which I felt might be easier to do). It hasn't arrived yet but when it does, I will give a review.

free skin care · Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:07 pm

This is an excellent chart Keliu, thank you for posting it. I think the gloves with your new machine are going to add a new dimension and will make the average person like us better with the device. Can't wait to hear how you like it.

free skin care · Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:50 am

I can't believe the difference in the prices of these units?

I have just been looking at ebay and online and the same unit can vary in price from $350 to $1000. It's ridiculous. So hard not to get ripped off.

@ Keliu, did you pay for postage or did you get free postage? Some say they can't guarantee that you won't have to pay extra taxes etc? The more I read the more confused I get.

that chart is very helpful Keliu. How do we tell the positive from the negative? Some of the hand probes all look the same?

Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:06 pm

photoqueen wrote:

Bellezza wrote:

WOW Keliu! I'm so excited for you. I haven't been able to make a decision. The more videos I watch the more undecided I get. Now I wonder about the probes having to be positive and negative and in most devices the probes are not color coded. I wish PQ would come back and explain this.

Polarity, negative and positive probes are only important when you are using a machine that has a direct current output (galvanic treatments) which is a current that flows in one direction only; when modulated as a wave, its amplitude is constant. When used as part of a skin rejuvenation treatment it is called galvanic current treatment. This current has distinct and important polarity and marked secondary chemical effects on the skin.

Disincrustation Treatment - using the - anode electrode, with the client holding the + cathode in their hand. This is used for deep cleansing of the skin, stimulation of sluggish skin with a build up of keratinised cells and oils.

Iontophoresis Treatment - using the + cathode electrode with the client holding the - anode in their hand. This is used for to push products into the skin, to hydrate and rebalance the skin after the disincrustation.

Contraindications - do not use galvanic current on skin/clients with rosacea, dermatitis and highly vascular conditions.

Microcurrent.

Microcurrent uses alternating current a current that periodically flows in opposite directions; its amplitude fluctuates as a square wave. You do not need to consider the polarity of your probes, as the polarity changes at each cycle of the wave.

PQ

Actually, the anode electrode is positive +... and the cathode electrode is negative -
Very Happy

free skin care · Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:08 pm

dendrite wrote:

photoqueen wrote:

Bellezza wrote:

WOW Keliu! I'm so excited for you. I haven't been able to make a decision. The more videos I watch the more undecided I get. Now I wonder about the probes having to be positive and negative and in most devices the probes are not color coded. I wish PQ would come back and explain this.

Polarity, negative and positive probes are only important when you are using a machine that has a direct current output (galvanic treatments) which is a current that flows in one direction only; when modulated as a wave, its amplitude is constant. When used as part of a skin rejuvenation treatment it is called galvanic current treatment. This current has distinct and important polarity and marked secondary chemical effects on the skin.

Disincrustation Treatment - using the - anode electrode, with the client holding the + cathode in their hand. This is used for deep cleansing of the skin, stimulation of sluggish skin with a build up of keratinised cells and oils.

Iontophoresis Treatment - using the + cathode electrode with the client holding the - anode in their hand. This is used for to push products into the skin, to hydrate and rebalance the skin after the disincrustation.

Contraindications - do not use galvanic current on skin/clients with rosacea, dermatitis and highly vascular conditions.

Microcurrent.

Microcurrent uses alternating current a current that periodically flows in opposite directions; its amplitude fluctuates as a square wave. You do not need to consider the polarity of your probes, as the polarity changes at each cycle of the wave.

PQ

Actually, the anode electrode is positive +... and the cathode electrode is negative -
Very Happy

True, my error. But it doesn't affect my explanation of polarity and microcurrent which was the aim of the post.

PQ

free skin care · Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:38 pm

Question - Is it okay to use microcurrent if you have botox? I've heard otherwise. I don't use it but it could be helpful information to others.

free skin care · Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:27 pm

sister sweets wrote:

Question - Is it okay to use microcurrent if you have botox? I've heard otherwise. I don't use it but it could be helpful information to others.

After botox, don't do any treatment over the area that causes any mechanical disruption to the botox, i.e. microcurrent, galvanic or muscle stimulation, after the 2 weeks, avoid using micro curren over the injection site, as it will reduce how long your botox lasts, as botox disables the muscle and micro current enables the muscle, so they are working against each other.

PQ

free skin care · Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:11 am

My new microcurrent machine arrived today - it's HUGE!! It's much larger than I expected (I didn't take note of measurements when I bought it) and it won't fit on my bathroom bench - I had to put in on the floor. Rolling Eyes

I'm going to have to organise some other way of setting this up.

I've just done a treatment using the gloves - this is definitely much easier and more fun than using the probes. I basically just used the directions in the chart I posted earlier. The instructions that came with the machine are in Chinglish so they're pretty garbled. But apparently it has one mode for "deferring senile" - now this is something I really need! Laughing

free skin care · Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:28 am

LOL, what's deferring senile?
I will anxiously await your review.

free skin care · Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:39 pm

deferring senile ~ I think we could all use some of that once in a while. Who would've thought it would come in a machine Laughing

Thanks PQ for getting back so promptly. And thanks Keliu for the chart - I'm sure I'll use it at some point.
I have found that the Nuface really helps a lot with 11 lines for me. Botox was even more effective when I used it a few years back but I am committed to staying away and trying to work on things more naturally. I got so tired of seeing women on the news with the typical frozen face syndrome due to botox everywhere. It became refreshing to see expression lines.

free skin care · Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:34 am

I came across a video on YouTube which gives some very basic instruction on how to use a BioWave machine. So I went to their website and found that they actually sell the same machine that I purchased on Ebay. It's $1,495.00!!! I paid $378.00 on Ebay!

http://www.classicspacollection.com/single-multi-fuction-table-top/micro-current-electro-device-w-magic-gloves.html

So far I've done two treatments with the gloves (which are so easy) and one with the probes. After watching the video, I feel more confident that I'm using the machine in the correct way. The instructions are garbage so I just winged it. I'm quite happy with the machine though - except that it is too big.

Here's the video - not very comprehensive, but better than nothing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FtuDTH3FTs&feature=related

free skin care · Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:36 am

Found this video regarding treating nasal problems with microcurrent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmigzbrjymg&feature=related

I haven't tried this yet so don't know whether it works but it could be worth a go. I've suffered from sinusitis for years and have had to have two operations on my nose. I also have to use Nasonex nasal spray every day.

free skin care · Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:59 am

Keliu,

I know you have a portable handheld microcurrent device, how do you find the machine compared to the handheld one in terms of skin lifting? I know that it may be too early for you to give us your verdict.

free skin care · Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:17 pm

summer2004 wrote:

Keliu,

I know you have a portable handheld microcurrent device, how do you find the machine compared to the handheld one in terms of skin lifting? I know that it may be too early for you to give us your verdict.

To be honest, I've never seen any visible lifting with anything!
I think the handheld device is more useful for conditioning the skin rather than lifting. It does give the same sensation - but without the separate probes, I think lifting is negligible.

free skin care · Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:50 pm

Keliu, did you find a video on how to use gloves for micro current? Have you noticed any lifting at all with your MC probes?
Most of us are waiting for a review of your new device, hope to see one soon.

free skin care · Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:43 pm

Sounds like Keliu got a great buy. I'm hoping she'll get some lifting out of it. That would be encouraging.

free skin care · Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:02 pm

I've just been playing around trying out the different modes. I really like using the gloves, its far easier than the probes - plus you can feel what you're doing. But last night I was using a too high setting and thought I was going to pass out when I put the gloves on my face - I felt very strange. That's a bit of a worry!!

Compared to my other machine, I do like this one better. My other machine used a second timer to time the strokes - so the current wasn't continuous- that was rather annoying because you had to time the strokes to match the timer (or vice versa). The new machine is always "on" so you just use the length of stroke you wish.

I'm still confused by the difference in "facial" mode and "bio" mode. Of course, the "bio" is a feature of the machine - it uses a bio wave - but I'm still confused as to how this works and why it's different from the "facial" mode.

I can't see any definitive lift after a treatment. But can't say whether that's due to insufficient treatments or poor technique.

Sorry I haven't given much of a review - but it's hard to give a proper review when you really don't know what you're doing!

free skin care · Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:06 pm

Thanks Keliu - it's a start. Are you using any products with your machine?

free skin care · Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:20 pm

sister sweets wrote:

Thanks Keliu - it's a start. Are you using any products with your machine?

With the gloves I just use water. With the probes I use either Aloe Vera Gel or a conductive gel.

I've also had a go using the body probes on the face (which is what Christine does). I think I like these better than the probes with the q-tips - not sure yet.

A friend of mine thinks that I should go and get a professional treatment done at a salon to see how it feels and what movements they do - that would probably be a good idea.

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