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Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:54 pm  |
Riley this might help you it was an email DM got on a different post:
| DarkMoon wrote: |
Response to my email from Invitrx:
Diem Vo diem@invitrx.com
Hi XXXX,
Lacey brings up a very apt concern. I would like to reassure her and others which may have the same feelings towards our skin care line. Our anti-aging serum has been on the market for about 10 years now and sold close to 500,000 units. Our product will not stimulate hair growth in undesirable locations and here's why: Our product's growth factors and cytokines present in the stem cell conditioned media stimulates further cell signalling specific to the target area (ie dermal skin cells when applied topically to the skin). Furthermore, hair growth will only occur where active hair follicles exist such as applying the hair product to the scalp. Our products do all have the same underlying active ingredient and they differ slightly with other ingredients to create our various products in our skin care and hair care line.
If you have further questions, please feel free to contact us.
Thank you,
Diem |
It answers another question but gives the amount of sales. |
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Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:55 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| The same argument for a certain groups beloved Kinetin, only Kinerase uses it (as far as I see so far) I do not see raves about it in magazines or beauty blogs and only one DIY supplier even bothers to sell it? Yet I see a few on forums rave at what a miracle ingredient it is? |
Very true and good point! You are right. I hear nothing about Kinerase any more, but I do see where a lot of DIYer's use and love it! |
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Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:57 pm |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| The same argument for a certain groups beloved Kinetin, only Kinerase uses it (as far as I see so far) I do not see raves about it in magazines or beauty blogs and only one DIY supplier even bothers to sell it? Yet I see a few on forums rave at what a miracle ingredient it is? |
Very true and good point! You are right. I hear nothing about Kinerase any more, but I do see where a lot of DIYer's use and love it! |
I am sure we can find other examples, not every product pays to be on those glossy pages.
I think Invitrx made itself known more through PS and derms offices? |
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Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:58 pm |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
| My eye surgeon is world renown, he discovered that those that botox "doesn't work on" was really a vit deficiency, if you take this vit for 4 days prior, its takes, and it also lasts longer. |
Wow, this is very interesting! I tried Botox once, maybe 5-6 years ago? At any rate, it did not take for me. I had to go back and get it again a week or 2 later, and it still did not take. Do you happen to know what vitamin deficiency? |
He developed a zinc based vit. Not sure why one can't just take zinc, but apparently this is a spec mix. I know when I tried botox last year, they offered me that (diff doctor btw), but this was my surgeons discovery. But the trick is 4 days prior, no more is needed after. Its the build up that makes it work.
http://plasticeyesurgery.com/ |
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Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:08 pm |
| Panda1 wrote: |
But don't we have to factor in that the ReLuma product has been on the market for ten years? ..... Where are the unhappy users? |
maybe using AQ??
from truthinaging.com/face/aq-skin-solutions-activeserum-reviewed-and-recommended#
(didn't get the whole link, sorry)
"Lisa D says:
Marta, I'm glad to see that you found this effective, too. I purchased the [AQ]Active serum from their website a couple of months ago, and I found that it has worked better for me than the ReLuma, which I tried last year....
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Joan says:
...In the last year or so, I've tried Reluma Skin Illuminating Anti-Aging Serum, Juice Beauty Stem Cellular Repair Moisturizer and E'shee Serum Cellular Repair (over $370 for the 3 different products) and the results were minimal at best. Nothing special, nothing visible. I'm glad to see that AQ has brought their price point down a little closer to earth. I'm definitely going back to [AQ]Skin Solutions.
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 11:22 pm" |
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Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:52 pm |
| Tiny wrote: |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
| My eye surgeon is world renown, he discovered that those that botox "doesn't work on" was really a vit deficiency, if you take this vit for 4 days prior, its takes, and it also lasts longer. |
Wow, this is very interesting! I tried Botox once, maybe 5-6 years ago? At any rate, it did not take for me. I had to go back and get it again a week or 2 later, and it still did not take. Do you happen to know what vitamin deficiency? |
He developed a zinc based vit. Not sure why one can't just take zinc, but apparently this is a spec mix. I know when I tried botox last year, they offered me that (diff doctor btw), but this was my surgeons discovery. But the trick is 4 days prior, no more is needed after. Its the build up that makes it work.
http://plasticeyesurgery.com/ |
Botox doesn't work for me, so I may have to give this a shot! |
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Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:59 pm |
| Kath91 wrote: |
| Panda1 wrote: |
But don't we have to factor in that the ReLuma product has been on the market for ten years? ..... Where are the unhappy users? |
maybe using AQ??
from truthinaging.com/face/aq-skin-solutions-activeserum-reviewed-and-recommended#
(didn't get the whole link, sorry)
"Lisa D says:
Marta, I'm glad to see that you found this effective, too. I purchased the [AQ]Active serum from their website a couple of months ago, and I found that it has worked better for me than the ReLuma, which I tried last year....
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Joan says:
...In the last year or so, I've tried Reluma Skin Illuminating Anti-Aging Serum, Juice Beauty Stem Cellular Repair Moisturizer and E'shee Serum Cellular Repair (over $370 for the 3 different products) and the results were minimal at best. Nothing special, nothing visible. I'm glad to see that AQ has brought their price point down a little closer to earth. I'm definitely going back to [AQ]Skin Solutions.
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 11:22 pm" |
Just as some AA users are now ReLuma and LifeLine Users and some AA users are now LifeLine users.....Nothing works for everyone and people switch until they fine the one that works for them and then some people never seem to settle on any line/brand?
You are still using AA and plan on continuing or no? |
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Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:54 am |
| bethany wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
| My eye surgeon is world renown, he discovered that those that botox "doesn't work on" was really a vit deficiency, if you take this vit for 4 days prior, its takes, and it also lasts longer. |
Wow, this is very interesting! I tried Botox once, maybe 5-6 years ago? At any rate, it did not take for me. I had to go back and get it again a week or 2 later, and it still did not take. Do you happen to know what vitamin deficiency? |
He developed a zinc based vit. Not sure why one can't just take zinc, but apparently this is a spec mix. I know when I tried botox last year, they offered me that (diff doctor btw), but this was my surgeons discovery. But the trick is 4 days prior, no more is needed after. Its the build up that makes it work.
http://plasticeyesurgery.com/ |
Botox doesn't work for me, so I may have to give this a shot! |
Bethany I think a lot of Dr.'s offer this now, I know when I tried botox a year ago the Dr. had this as well. I did not take it and I should of just gone to my old Dr.  not sure what I was thinking. But call around and you want to take it 4 days prior to your appointment, NOT after. |
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Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:53 pm |
I just heard on the news, the VERY thing they've thought cured CANCER, they are now discovering chemo might infact SPREAD IT!!! I just had a freind once "cured" of breast cancer, a year later came up with other cancers, then more stuff and on it went until she passed away. So perhaps this "new" study is correct.
So here's what I've been saying, we read this study, that study and those studies and decide you know exactly what does what, then turn around and wham, oops our NEW study now shows xxxx.
So I think some common sense trumps science data (for me), which can also be swayed by whoever is searching for which side of the coin one wants to land on.
So long story short, science changes Daily, hourly, monthly and yearly! |
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Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:05 pm |
| bethany wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
| My eye surgeon is world renown, he discovered that those that botox "doesn't work on" was really a vit deficiency, if you take this vit for 4 days prior, its takes, and it also lasts longer. |
Wow, this is very interesting! I tried Botox once, maybe 5-6 years ago? At any rate, it did not take for me. I had to go back and get it again a week or 2 later, and it still did not take. Do you happen to know what vitamin deficiency? |
He developed a zinc based vit. Not sure why one can't just take zinc, but apparently this is a spec mix. I know when I tried botox last year, they offered me that (diff doctor btw), but this was my surgeons discovery. But the trick is 4 days prior, no more is needed after. Its the build up that makes it work.
http://plasticeyesurgery.com/ |
Botox doesn't work for me, so I may have to give this a shot! |
wow, this is very interesting. I always get drooping from botox, no matter how few units or how skilled the injector, the results are the same. I would try this if it worked!
Jackie xx |
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Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:42 am |
Not sure if this has been posted here or not, but as far as I can tell, Lifeline has the only patent out of the cultured media products, and this is the only product where we truly know all the ingredients in the product.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/WO2012018865A2.html |
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Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:03 am |
| rileygirl wrote: |
Not sure if this has been posted here or not, but as far as I can tell, Lifeline has the only patent out of the cultured media products, and this is the only product where we truly know all the ingredients in the product.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/WO2012018865A2.html |
Last I can find on a fast search Invitrx (ReLuma) is patent pending which I believe means they would have divulged the full ingredients to the Patent office?
Diminishes the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles
Recaptures the youthful luminosity and smoothness of skin
Avoid unpleasant side-effects associated with more aggresive cosmetic procedures or therapies
Formulated with patent-pending technology
http://invitrxtherapeutics.squarespace.com/reluma/ |
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Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:33 am |
| rileygirl wrote: |
Not sure if this has been posted here or not, but as far as I can tell, Lifeline has the only patent out of the cultured media products, and this is the only product where we truly know all the ingredients in the product.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/WO2012018865A2.html |
I think your right, but I am curious, what is the diff when its patent pending. Does that mean they can still not divulge all their ingredients (ie. keep them protected). I do get why, in this small pocket of skincare, there are a lot of thieves lmao! Or any product for that matter, other makers steal right and left.
I ask this because RL sent me the ingredients for each product, so do you now feel we don't have them all? |
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Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:02 am |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
Last I can find on a fast search Invitrx (ReLuma) is patent pending which I believe means they would have divulged the full ingredients to the Patent office?
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Yes, I did see that they say that on their website. Wonder why Lifeline has a patent out already, yet the Reluma that has been around a lot longer does not yet? ETA: I do not see anything on Reluma when I search for patents. Do you? |
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Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:05 am |
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I ask this because RL sent me the ingredients for each product, so do you now feel we don't have them all? |
We do not know what is in the conditioned media for the Reluma product. If you read the Lifeline patent, we know what theirs consists of. |
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Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:12 am |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
Last I can find on a fast search Invitrx (ReLuma) is patent pending which I believe means they would have divulged the full ingredients to the Patent office?
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Yes, I did see that they say that on their website. Wonder why Lifeline has a patent out already, yet the Reluma that has been around a lot longer does not yet? ETA: I do not see anything on Reluma when I search for patents. Do you? |
I am not really sure which to even search patents under Riley Invitrx the parent company or ReLuma?
I do not wish to sound like a crybaby but I have been ill for the last (almost) month and have not had the energy to look up patents? I did notice that the patent pending I posted was from 2010? |
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Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:20 am |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
I am not really sure which to even search patents under Riley Invitrx the parent company or ReLuma?
I do not wish to sound like a crybaby but I have been ill for the last (almost) month and have not had the energy to look up patents? I did notice that the patent pending I posted was from 2010? |
Good point, I only looked under Reluma!
Understand, I also have been sick, and just looked up the Lifeline patent this morning. (I know nothing about patents, to be honest with you, and don't have a clue how long it takes to actually get the patent.) |
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Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:22 am |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
I ask this because RL sent me the ingredients for each product, so do you now feel we don't have them all? |
We do not know what is in the conditioned media for the Reluma product. If you read the Lifeline patent, we know what theirs consists of. |
I've have not searched. For me its not that important, I do understand it is for others. But DM did make a good point the parent company is prob what the patent is under, not RL. I do think RL goes into great detail on how they get the "conditioned media", does that not explain whats in it? |
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Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:44 am |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
I am not really sure which to even search patents under Riley Invitrx the parent company or ReLuma?
I do not wish to sound like a crybaby but I have been ill for the last (almost) month and have not had the energy to look up patents? I did notice that the patent pending I posted was from 2010? |
Good point, I only looked under Reluma!
Understand, I also have been sick, and just looked up the Lifeline patent this morning. (I know nothing about patents, to be honest with you, and don't have a clue how long it takes to actually get the patent.) |
Sorry to hear you have been unwell also Riley!
It sounds as though we are in the same boat with having been ill and I do not know how long it takes to get through the patent process, or what name theirs would be under?  |
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Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:37 pm |
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A small study of 20 patients age 37 to 64 demonstrated the impact of a Swiss apple stem cell extract on skin wrinkling. The test cream contained 2 percent Swiss apple stem cell extract, and subjects applied the cream twice daily to their crow's feet for 28 days. The test cream reduced wrinkle depth by 8 percent in two weeks and 15 percent in four weeks over baseline. |
What is interesting is that they can share this info for apple stem cell product results, but where is it for the human stem cell products? Maybe the stats just aren't good enough to share? Visia is cheap and accessible (I have posted my own stats here on EDS in the past), so where are the numbers from the pros? |
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Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:47 pm |
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A small study of 20 patients age 37 to 64 demonstrated the impact of a Swiss apple stem cell extract on skin wrinkling. The test cream contained 2 percent Swiss apple stem cell extract, and subjects applied the cream twice daily to their crow's feet for 28 days. The test cream reduced wrinkle depth by 8 percent in two weeks and 15 percent in four weeks over baseline. |
What is interesting is that they can share this info for apple stem cell product results, but where is it for the human stem cell products? Maybe the stats just aren't good enough to share? Visia is cheap and accessible (I have posted my own stats here on EDS in the past), so where are the numbers from the pros? |
I've asked this question a number of times. DrJ's response concerning AA testing was that they couldn't afford the testing equipment - but then I asked why they couldn't use the Visia equipment owned by their stockists. Didn't receive a response to that.
Bethany - I'm interested in the whole question on plant stem cells. There appears to be quite a few reputable people discussing the research - and FutureDerm posted some images of collagen stimulation on her blog. However, DrJ is adamant that this is all bunkum. I think we need to delve into this issue more thoroughly. |
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Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:56 pm |
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Bethany - I'm interested in the whole question on plant stem cells. There appears to be quite a few reputable people discussing the research - and FutureDerm posted some images of collagen stimulation on her blog. However, DrJ is adamant that this is all bunkum. I think we need to delve into this issue more thoroughly. |
I am interested in the plant stem cells also but don't really understand how plants cells could have that much in common with human skin. Maybe they function more like antioxidants were they are good for the skin and make it look better but there is not a skin cell/plant cell connection. In other words they aren't really the same thing. |
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Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:33 am |
| I am wondering why the plant stem cells would not work? I know we are not plants, but look how many of our medications come from just that - plants? However, I think Cookie maybe on to something with the antioxidant comment. |
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