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Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:27 am |
This is what she has to say about stem cells in skincare:
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Stem cell therapy is inevitable in the future of medicine. Yet, in this early part of the 21st century, the technology is not well-regulated or understood, even though it is often marketed in skin care. I wish one of the companies producing stem cell therapy-based skin care would release studies of their ingredient’s efficacy, both in short- and long-term trials. At any rate, as exciting as this technology is, I refuse to partake until I read some strong scientific studies.
http://www.futurederm.com/2011/08/22/stem-cells-in-skin-care-effective-or-just-hype/ |
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Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:19 am |
Keliu, who are you quoting?
If it's ms Future Derm, that is very interesting indeed.
Edit: ah I see, it IS ms Futurderm. She must be quite dizzy from the quick turnaround, even if there are NO studies, NO peer reviewed articles, NO patents pending or not, that give us some clue as to the effectiveness, safety or contents (!) of what she has been touting. Interesting indeed. |
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Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:18 am |
Lotusesther wrote: |
Edit: ah I see, it IS ms Futurderm. She must be quite dizzy from the quick turnaround, even if there are NO studies, NO peer reviewed articles, NO patents pending or not, that give us some clue as to the effectiveness, safety or contents (!) of what she has been touting. Interesting indeed. |
LOL. Yes, that is a problem - inconsistency and some erroneous info on her site. |
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Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:47 pm |
rileygirl wrote: |
Lotusesther wrote: |
Edit: ah I see, it IS ms Futurderm. She must be quite dizzy from the quick turnaround, even if there are NO studies, NO peer reviewed articles, NO patents pending or not, that give us some clue as to the effectiveness, safety or contents (!) of what she has been touting. Interesting indeed. |
LOL. Yes, that is a problem - inconsistency and some erroneous info on her site. |
The conflict in statements vs actions is the only reason I brought up the paid ad aspect. She pretty much has taken herself out of the neutral reviewer market at this point. |
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Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:24 pm |
bethany wrote: |
The conflict in statements vs actions is the only reason I brought up the paid ad aspect. She pretty much has taken herself out of the neutral reviewer market at this point. |
Agree. Also, she is starting to sell products of her own, and while I think it is admirable that she is trying to remain neutral, I do not think that is entirely possible. |
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Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:13 pm |
rileygirl wrote: |
bethany wrote: |
The conflict in statements vs actions is the only reason I brought up the paid ad aspect. She pretty much has taken herself out of the neutral reviewer market at this point. |
Agree. Also, she is starting to sell products of her own, and while I think it is admirable that she is trying to remain neutral, I do not think that is entirely possible. |
I agree and I think its fine shes taking the direction she is, but anyone making money on the ad's or the products, is NOT neutral, too much rides on it then. She should not review anymore, rather let others do that. |
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Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:02 am |
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Keliu wrote: |
Good article Riley. I'm not the worrying type - but I have to say, that this business of cell division and cancer does concern me. |
Yes, it also concerns me. I just can't make up my mind if we are doing more harm than good sometimes! |
That's why I stay away from all growth factors...HGH, EGF, IGF, FGF, etc.
What I find to be compelling is that oral supplementation or genetic upregulation of some of these growth factors (e.g., HGH, IGF) has been shown to shorten lifespan in rodents. It's not just a theory nor based on activating a compound in a pathway (e.g., the concern over niacinamide inhibiting SIRT1), but rather it's been tested to actually decrease lifespan in animals by monitoring death rates and plotting survival curves.
Which isn't to say that you shouldn't do things, like exercise that upregulate HGH in response, but rather supplementation or unnatural manipulation is clearly detrimental.
That's why I also worry a bit about cytokines, even if they are anti-inflammatory ones. It's like with oxidative stress--it came as a shock to some that reducing it doesn't always have beneficial results. In terms out that acute oxidative stress like through exercise can be beneficial. So I still feel a bit cautious towards using cytokines, but less so than growth hormones, as they powerfully modulate the immune system. So I'd like to see what happens to long-term survival rates of rodents or other animals when given these stem cell and/or cytokine cocktails.
Just my 2 cents. |
_________________ 34 y.o. FlexEffect and massage. Love experimenting with DIY and botanical skin care products. Appreciate both hard science and natural approaches. Eat green smoothies + lots of raw fruit and veggies. |
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Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:36 am |
cm5597 wrote: |
rileygirl wrote: |
Keliu wrote: |
Good article Riley. I'm not the worrying type - but I have to say, that this business of cell division and cancer does concern me. |
Yes, it also concerns me. I just can't make up my mind if we are doing more harm than good sometimes! |
That's why I stay away from all growth factors...HGH, EGF, IGF, FGF, etc.
What I find to be compelling is that oral supplementation or genetic upregulation of some of these growth factors (e.g., HGH, IGF) has been shown to shorten lifespan in rodents. It's not just a theory nor based on activating a compound in a pathway (e.g., the concern over niacinamide inhibiting SIRT1), but rather it's been tested to actually decrease lifespan in animals by monitoring death rates and plotting survival curves.
Which isn't to say that you shouldn't do things, like exercise that upregulate HGH in response, but rather supplementation or unnatural manipulation is clearly detrimental.
That's why I also worry a bit about cytokines, even if they are anti-inflammatory ones. It's like with oxidative stress--it came as a shock to some that reducing it doesn't always have beneficial results. In terms out that acute oxidative stress like through exercise can be beneficial. So I still feel a bit cautious towards using cytokines, but less so than growth hormones, as they powerfully modulate the immune system. So I'd like to see what happens to long-term survival rates of rodents or other animals when given these stem cell and/or cytokine cocktails.
Just my 2 cents. |
I am not defending cytokines at all, because like everyone I don't know. But aren't these studies on ingestion? Were using topical, and in all honesty it can't be that much were applying. Again I'd like to know, no one wants to shorten anything or create anything negitive by applying a cream. |
_________________ Reluma, PMD. Never sit on a fence, you get shot by both sides. |
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Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:16 am |
This is also why I don't use colostrum as a food supplement. It's unclear to me what it can do, apart from fighting inflammation. Historically, the holy men of India who take (fresh) colostrum don't do that on a daily basis, and as part of a diet that is very different from ours (so the risk of bowel cancer is way less than it is here). |
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Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:24 am |
Lotusesther wrote: |
This is also why I don't use colostrum as a food supplement. It's unclear to me what it can do, apart from fighting inflammation. Historically, the holy men of India who take (fresh) colostrum don't do that on a daily basis, and as part of a diet that is very different from ours (so the risk of bowel cancer is way less than it is here). |
Ugh...I just started taking it as a supplement in hopes that it may help with my fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue. Though if it does help with that, I might be willing to shave a few years off my life. |
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Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:37 pm |
Tiny wrote: |
cm5597 wrote: |
rileygirl wrote: |
Keliu wrote: |
Good article Riley. I'm not the worrying type - but I have to say, that this business of cell division and cancer does concern me. |
Yes, it also concerns me. I just can't make up my mind if we are doing more harm than good sometimes! |
That's why I stay away from all growth factors...HGH, EGF, IGF, FGF, etc.
What I find to be compelling is that oral supplementation or genetic upregulation of some of these growth factors (e.g., HGH, IGF) has been shown to shorten lifespan in rodents. It's not just a theory nor based on activating a compound in a pathway (e.g., the concern over niacinamide inhibiting SIRT1), but rather it's been tested to actually decrease lifespan in animals by monitoring death rates and plotting survival curves.
Which isn't to say that you shouldn't do things, like exercise that upregulate HGH in response, but rather supplementation or unnatural manipulation is clearly detrimental.
That's why I also worry a bit about cytokines, even if they are anti-inflammatory ones. It's like with oxidative stress--it came as a shock to some that reducing it doesn't always have beneficial results. In terms out that acute oxidative stress like through exercise can be beneficial. So I still feel a bit cautious towards using cytokines, but less so than growth hormones, as they powerfully modulate the immune system. So I'd like to see what happens to long-term survival rates of rodents or other animals when given these stem cell and/or cytokine cocktails.
Just my 2 cents. |
I am not defending cytokines at all, because like everyone I don't know. But aren't these studies on ingestion? Were using topical, and in all honesty it can't be that much were applying. Again I'd like to know, no one wants to shorten anything or create anything negitive by applying a cream. |
Yes, great point. They are studies on ingestion...it's hard to extrapolate on topical application versus ingestion...sometimes, it appears like topical application is worse (bypassing the liver), other times it appears that topical application would likely be safer. Then there is the question of dose...and should that dose be considered on a whole-body level (amount/total body fluids) or on a local level (the concentration that hits the cells in the epidermis)...I don't know...
Oh, and I wasn't directing my comments at anyone in particular...just adding my opinion to the others in this thread |
_________________ 34 y.o. FlexEffect and massage. Love experimenting with DIY and botanical skin care products. Appreciate both hard science and natural approaches. Eat green smoothies + lots of raw fruit and veggies. |
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Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:55 pm |
bethany wrote: |
Lotusesther wrote: |
This is also why I don't use colostrum as a food supplement. It's unclear to me what it can do, apart from fighting inflammation. Historically, the holy men of India who take (fresh) colostrum don't do that on a daily basis, and as part of a diet that is very different from ours (so the risk of bowel cancer is way less than it is here). |
Ugh...I just started taking it as a supplement in hopes that it may help with my fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue. Though if it does help with that, I might be willing to shave a few years off my life. |
Quality of life is IMO more important than a year more or less. I hope this will help you! |
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Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:12 pm |
Lotusesther wrote: |
bethany wrote: |
Lotusesther wrote: |
This is also why I don't use colostrum as a food supplement. It's unclear to me what it can do, apart from fighting inflammation. Historically, the holy men of India who take (fresh) colostrum don't do that on a daily basis, and as part of a diet that is very different from ours (so the risk of bowel cancer is way less than it is here). |
Ugh...I just started taking it as a supplement in hopes that it may help with my fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue. Though if it does help with that, I might be willing to shave a few years off my life. |
Quality of life is IMO more important than a year more or less. I hope this will help you! |
Sadly can be!! |
_________________ Reluma, PMD. Never sit on a fence, you get shot by both sides. |
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Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:03 pm |
Lotusesther wrote: |
bethany wrote: |
Lotusesther wrote: |
This is also why I don't use colostrum as a food supplement. It's unclear to me what it can do, apart from fighting inflammation. Historically, the holy men of India who take (fresh) colostrum don't do that on a daily basis, and as part of a diet that is very different from ours (so the risk of bowel cancer is way less than it is here). |
Ugh...I just started taking it as a supplement in hopes that it may help with my fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue. Though if it does help with that, I might be willing to shave a few years off my life. |
Quality of life is IMO more important than a year more or less. I hope this will help you! |
Me too! |
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:54 am |
Lotusesther wrote: |
This is also why I don't use colostrum as a food supplement. It's unclear to me what it can do, apart from fighting inflammation. Historically, the holy men of India who take (fresh) colostrum don't do that on a daily basis, and as part of a diet that is very different from ours (so the risk of bowel cancer is way less than it is here). |
Ingesting human colostrum during the first few days of life after birth gives the body the best possible start in life - in terms of nutrition and protection against disease. But after the colostrum comes the milk - so it's not exactly natural to be consuming colostrum throughout life.
Bovine colostrum is supposed to be very close in make up to human colostrum - but then there are those who believe that humans shouldn't even be drinking milk. |
_________________ Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:33 am |
The following is contained in the blurb about Osmosis Stem Factor:
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Safety: Evidence has shown that certain growth factors, like EGF, can stimulate an existing cancer on the skin if applied regularly. StemFactor is different in that it contains EGF plus over 150 other growth factors, some of which are cancer fighting (IFN, TNF, etc). We believe that the enhanced immune function associated with the use of StemFactor makes is protective against skin cancer as opposed to the other way around. That being said, consult with your doctor prior to using StemFactor if you think you have skin cancer.
http://www.karinherzog-jmilan.com/Stem-Factor-30-mil_p_726.html |
So, according to this information, unless your stem cell serum contains cancer fighting growth factors - you're in trouble. |
_________________ Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:52 am |
That makes sense. Next to proliferation you need destruction of what is unhealthy, and checks and balances to keep the proliferation process within limits that the body can deal with. New cells take the place of old cells, that have to be discarded, not stimulated. Nature is always about both creation and destruction in a balance. |
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:53 am |
Lotusesther wrote: |
That makes sense. Next to proliferation you need destruction of what is unhealthy, and checks and balances to keep the proliferation process within limits that the body can deal with. New cells take the place of old cells, that have to be discarded, not stimulated. Nature is always about both creation and destruction in a balance. |
But how is the consumer supposed to know if their serum contains the correct mix of growth factors? |
_________________ Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:05 am |
Keliu wrote: |
Lotusesther wrote: |
That makes sense. Next to proliferation you need destruction of what is unhealthy, and checks and balances to keep the proliferation process within limits that the body can deal with. New cells take the place of old cells, that have to be discarded, not stimulated. Nature is always about both creation and destruction in a balance. |
But how is the consumer supposed to know if their serum contains the correct mix of growth factors? |
We don't. We will have to take the word of the manufacturer for it. |
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:16 am |
Lotusesther wrote: |
We don't. We will have to take the word of the manufacturer for it. |
And that is the scariest part! |
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Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:09 am |
Lotusesther wrote: |
Nature is always about both creation and destruction in a balance. |
Exactly, I think that is the key...you can over stimulate growth unchecked or overstimulate destruction such as in apoptosis/autophagy unchecked...and either not in balance leads to problems. |
_________________ 34 y.o. FlexEffect and massage. Love experimenting with DIY and botanical skin care products. Appreciate both hard science and natural approaches. Eat green smoothies + lots of raw fruit and veggies. |
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Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:07 am |
Do those growth factors also stimulate facial hair growth? |
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Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:00 am |
RussianSunshine wrote: |
Do those growth factors also stimulate facial hair growth? |
There have been a couple of people who have reported increased facial hair while using these products. It doesn't effect everyone. I am not sure why. |
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Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:44 pm |
The company website is listed as owned by John Sanderson, 9 Islandway View CA. and has 3 employees. He's also listed as owner of the Barefacedtruth website. The company is run like a chain reaction. Anyone can sign up to sell AnteAGE by just posting the link on their website. |
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Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:31 pm |
I am willing to be a guinea pig, facail hair?? I'll be on the lookout for that. |
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