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Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:42 pm  |
| Just a suggestion - but you could try using Rose Water as a spray instead of the expensive Avene. Rose Water is very beneficial to the skin - and you can buy the concentrate from a pharmacy and dilute it yourself, which makes it very inexpensive. |
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:52 pm |
Thought it was interesting to see the model using the device over a face mask - hadn't thought of that before! |
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:00 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
| CookieD wrote: |
Here is a video on the Merbe I haven't seen. (it is part of an ebay listing) If you go to the 3:37 mark there are some neat experiments done with water and ink that show you how the ultrasound/galvanic work.
Havana I think they are both the same but I don't think anyone has found the actual specs on the Merbe. They do look exactly the same on the outside.
ebay[dot]com/itm/Lotts-Merbe-Ultrasonic-Galvanic-Ion-Massager-HOT-Face-Massager-Made-in-Korea-/181129610487 |
Thought it was interesting to see the model using the device over a face mask - hadn't thought of that before! |
I was looking at that device on ebay. Anyone actually used it before? Are there any reviews? |
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:06 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
Thought it was interesting to see the model using the device over a face mask - hadn't thought of that before! |
I had read about using it over a mask somewhere in my research. The rose water idea is good. Sometimes I just use bottle water in a spray bottle over the gel. I don't think it really matters as long as the gel stays moist. |
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:16 pm |
keliu I know you had a UP5...is this the same thing?  |
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:29 pm |
| catski wrote: |
| keliu I know you had a UP5...is this the same thing? |
Yes it is (although I don't own this device). My UP5 died, the battery gave out - that's why I don't really like rechargable devices.
Regarding the gel - I bought this one from Truthinaging:
http://www.truthinaging.com/ultra-renew-gel-serum-with-5-ybf-control
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnSbVbjeq3A
Still a bit expensive for my liking - but I prefer gels that are also a treatment and don't have to be washed off. |
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:38 pm |
Thanks keliu.
I havent used my up5 very much. I found that in the lifting mode, it gave a great effect..but a few days later, if I didnt continue to use it, I looked awful..which scared me, rather. My skin looked saggy. I stopped altogether and my skin returned to normal. |
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:00 pm |
| catski wrote: |
Thanks keliu.
I havent used my up5 very much. I found that in the lifting mode, it gave a great effect..but a few days later, if I didnt continue to use it, I looked awful..which scared me, rather. My skin looked saggy. I stopped altogether and my skin returned to normal. |
I didn't see any lifting from it - no results at all really. I do think ultrasound can be useful for product penetration though. |
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:59 pm |
Night 4 with the Merbe, and the first night I didn't see any additional lifting of the marionette lines. But since I did for the last 3 nights, I am NOT complaining!
Tonight I did the following:
- Cleanse and Massage using just the Fyola gel that came with it.
- Applied Environ C-Quence 4 and then did the Nutrition, Lift and Wrinkle modes (just did wrinkle mode on the forehead) with the Fyola gel applied over it.
- Washed my face and then applied my Epionce products
The forehead wrinkles looked awesome after this...maybe this is a sign of what comes after longer term usage of the appropriate gels?
After doing lots of research, I am now doubting that the gel has to be polarized and that the fragmented HA gel over your favorite water based actives is the way to go. But we'll see what I end up with long term. |
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:27 pm |
| BTW, they recommend that you use this at night. Why? Because I am beet red from all this extra circulation, lol. But it does diminish by morning. |
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:50 pm |
| bethany wrote: |
| BTW, they recommend that you use this at night. Why? Because I am beet red from all this extra circulation, lol. But it does diminish by morning. |
That's is interesting. I don't get any color. Of course tonight is the first night I did a longer session but no change in color.
I did want to mention that this is not a new gadget. It has been around awhile. It was first sold as the Fyola. That was bought by
Squoom and now there is the Merbe also. They all seem to be the same gadget. At least they look the same on the outside.
I would have bought the Squoom awhile ago but didn't like how much it cost. I really didn't like that after you spent so much, you still had to buy expensive gel that were not available in the US. When I saw the Merbe I decided to jump in.
I am going to be using water based serums under either a HA based gel or some of the microcurrent gels I already have for my treatments. I'll see how this works out for me. I like the idea of the Squoom gels but not the cost. |
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:16 pm |
| CookieD wrote: |
I am going to be using water based serums under either a HA based gel or some of the microcurrent gels I already have for my treatments. I'll see how this works out for me. I like the idea of the Squoom gels but not the cost. |
Ditto! I am going to continue to do my microcurrent treatments 2x a week, and will skip the Merbe on those nights. |
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:56 am |
Wow. I've been looking at the Clarisonic Opal and then the Jenu device but now I'm reading this.
Here is some info on Jenu > JeNu is a low-intensity ultrasound that activates microspheres in our creams to help the key active ingredients more effectively penetrate the skin. It is those activated microspheres, not the ultrasound, that help create a delivery path for the key ingredients in our eye treatment (Hyaluronic Acid, Matrixyl Peptides, and Vitamin A) to more effectively penetrate the skin and reduce the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles while increasing hydration. The Clarisonic Opal uses “sonic” technology ultimately affecting and/or treating the skin’s surface with a tapping/vibrating mechanism.
There is a video on our website that shows exactly how the technology works. It is located here: http://www.jenu.com/index.php/why-jenu/how-it-works/
Which one to get? I'm not as knowledgeable as many of you here on ultrasound.
Which of these units do most think is the best? Has anyone looked at the Jenu? It offers a 60 day full return and with a coupon it's about $200!
Bethany I also checked out the refurbished unit - I wonder if that comes with gel?
HELP! Any kind of consensus on which is best?
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:01 am |
I also can't find Merbe on Amazon??
I also read somewhere that if the unit has different levels it may not be the best quality. That in reality with current technology any machine can only offer one level. Don't know - ?
For all your wiz's please take a look at the Jenu breakdown, looks like the strength is about 2 MHZ. It says 100KHz-2 MHz.
What do you guys think?
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2012/0271222.html |
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:33 am |
One more about MHz. Truth In Aging says:
Now everyone wants to know whether Ultra Renew Sculpt can be used for the face. The answer is yes, but I wouldn’t advise it. The ultrasound is at 1Mhz. Therapeutic ultrasound frequency ranges from 1-3 MHz. The higher the frequency, the less effective the ultrasound is. Ergo, 1 is stronger than 3. The Ultra Renew and Ultra Renew Plus are in the 3mz range and the ultrasound penetrates less than 2 mm, which is perfect for the face. The stronger 1Mhz of the Ultra Renew Sculpt penetrates a little more deeply and is better for body. If used on the face, it is advised, therefore, to keep Sculpt on the lowest intensity. Also the larger size is great for body parts and arguably treats more of the face. But, by the same token, Sculpt doesn’t quite get into the nooks and crannies and isn’t as easy to direct accurately when treating the face - compared to the Ultra Renew or Ultra Renew Plus.
http://www.truthinaging.com/ultra-renew-sculpt |
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:01 am |
Rapunzell, there has been some newer research that showed that 1mhz was actually better.
Also, the key thing that makes the Merbe better is that it is BOTH galvanic and ultrasound. Watch the video I posted above and you will see why that is important.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=azXkE1g9jq4&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DazXkE1g9jq4
FYI that I used to have a 2mhz ultrasound only and sold it...it did not perform like this unit at all. |
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:33 am |
| bethany wrote: |
Rapunzell, there has been some newer research that showed that 1mhz was actually better.
Also, the key thing that makes the Merbe better is that it is BOTH galvanic and ultrasound. Watch the video I posted above and you will see why that is important.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=azXkE1g9jq4&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DazXkE1g9jq4
FYI that I used to have a 2mhz ultrasound only and sold it...it did not perform like this unit at all. |
This is the study provided by Dragon over at Skincareboard which compares 1 and 3 mhz.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC522144/
Dragon is of the opinion that because 3 mhz heats the skin more, 1 mhz is the preferred modality. But note that the study is not concerned with facial rejuvenation, it's concerned with muscle injuries.
I'm still confused about this because allot of information still states that 3 mhz should be used on the face, 1 mhz on the body. However, it's clear that the newer ultrasound devices on the market seem to be using 1 mhz. But I can't find any studies on why there has been this turn-around - in relation to facial rejuvenation that is. |
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:47 am |
| Keliu wrote: |
This is the study provided by Dragon over at Skincareboard which compares 1 and 3 mhz.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC522144/
Dragon is of the opinion that because 3 mhz heats the skin more, 1 mhz is the preferred modality. But note that the study is not concerned with facial rejuvenation, it's concerned with muscle injuries.
I'm still confused about this because allot of information still states that 3 mhz should be used on the face, 1 mhz on the body. However, it's clear that the newer ultrasound devices on the market seem to be using 1 mhz. But I can't find any studies on why there has been this turn-around - in relation to facial rejuvenation that is. |
I know Dragon felt pretty strongly about this, so I decided to give it a try. Sqoom has also been selling since 2008 and some of the Fyola research was done in 2003 and 2004. I figured if people's faces were melting from 1mhz we would have heard something by now or at least seen some negative reviews online.
Sqoom says there is no such thing as overuse in the article below, but I may have to send them an email and ask about 1mhz vs 3mhz. I'll also ask about LMW HA and inflammation at the same time.
http://www.totallyliving.co.uk/beauty/2011/01/26/a-product-to-put-an-end-to-facelifts |
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:54 am |
| bethany wrote: |
I know Dragon felt pretty strongly about this, so I decided to give it a try. Sqoom has also been selling since 2008 and some of the Fyola research was done in 2003 and 2004. I figured if people's faces were melting from 1mhz we would have heard something by now or at least seen some negative reviews online.
Sqoom says there is no such thing as overuse in the article below, but I may have to send them an email and ask about 1mhz vs 3mhz. I'll also ask about LMW HA and inflammation at the same time.
http://www.totallyliving.co.uk/beauty/2011/01/26/a-product-to-put-an-end-to-facelifts |
I agree that if these devices were melting people's faces, we would have heard about it by now. But that makes me wonder whether these newer devices are using the technology in a different way - they are very expensive. I purchased a 1 mhz ultrasound for treating muscle injuries for my father - it was under $50 I think. So I wonder how they would compare? I would love to see something from SQOOM explaining why they've gone with the 1 mhz. |
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 5:00 am |
| Keliu wrote: |
I agree that if these devices were melting people's faces, we would have heard about it by now. But that makes me wonder whether these newer devices are using the technology in a different way - they are very expensive. I purchased a 1 mhz ultrasound for treating muscle injuries for my father - it was under $50 I think. So I wonder how they would compare? I would love to see something from SQOOM explaining why they've gone with the 1 mhz. |
I am also going to see if I can get any info from Dr Serene, and will keep everyone posted. |
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 5:16 am |
| bethany wrote: |
| ......http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=azXkE1g9jq4&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DazXkE1g9jq4...... |
At 7:47, the device hold by the lady seemed to Nu Skxx and she commented it was useless.
I believe that that device is of galvanic and that is why she couldn't measure the current Am I correct? |
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 5:27 am |
| summer2004 wrote: |
| bethany wrote: |
| ......http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=azXkE1g9jq4&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DazXkE1g9jq4...... |
At 7:47, the device hold by the lady seemed to Nu Skxx and she commented it was useless.
I believe that that device is of galvanic and that is why she couldn't measure the current Am I correct? |
My take was that she was saying that the device wasn't delivering enough current to be effective - regardless of whether it was galvanic or not. |
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 5:53 am |
Very interesting...that link is exactly what I have been looking for in order to connect the Fyola and Merbe! Sqoom did say that there are configs specific to their unit, but as I recall that was limited to the battery and possibly a titanium head. For the price difference, I am happy with what I have for now!
Btw, my Merbe has a Korean plug and all the documentation is in Korean, so it is not purely domestic. |
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