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Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:56 pm  |
| Very interesting. I foresee lots of marketing changes in the future. |
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Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:12 pm |
| They were claiming pretty remarkable things, I am not surprised the FDA is making them take those parts out. |
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Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:57 pm |
| The people of Lancome must have forgot to send their monthly tribute/ payoff cheque to the FDA. |
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Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:02 pm |
| I don't know any of the products mentioned. The product may do everything the advertising says but in the end the FDA requires the verbage to be in line with the 'cosmetic' requirement guidelines. In this case Lancome by their claim(s) is/are putting their product results in a 'drug' category. Changes everything. |
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Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:42 pm |
Re: FDA Warning Letter:
"The claims on your web site indicate that these products are intended to affect the structure or any function of the human body, rendering them drugs under the Act.
The marketing of these products with these claims evidencing these intended uses violates the Act."
BINGO!
Statement to be saved for posterity and brought to the attention of other beauty-product manufacturers.
Aren't there so many other new topical skin products that make similar claims to 'affect the structure' of the human body (skin)?!
Curious whether any other manufacturers received similar warnings... |
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Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:48 pm |
| I so agree kath91 |
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:17 am |
Here is my post from the cytokines thread on the same subject:
As I say above, it would seem to me that all of the stem cell and EGF products which claim to stimulate cell regeneration would be in the same boat as Lancome. |
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:24 am |
| Actually, what I'm wondering is - if Lancome simply changes its marketing spiel and leaves out any claims of cell regeneration - will that make the FDA happy? Or will they be obliged to change the formula of their products? It seems to me that the FDA is primarily concerned with incorrect labeling and not with incorrect product usage! |
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:31 am |
| Keliu wrote: |
| Actually, what I'm wondering is - if Lancome simply changes its marketing spiel and leaves out any claims of cell regeneration - will that make the FDA happy? Or will they be obliged to change the formula of their products? It seems to me that the FDA is primarily concerned with incorrect labeling and not with incorrect product usage! |
I think your right. The FDA just wants them to remove some of their marketing claims, not remove the product. |
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:52 am |
| CookieD wrote: |
| Keliu wrote: |
| Actually, what I'm wondering is - if Lancome simply changes its marketing spiel and leaves out any claims of cell regeneration - will that make the FDA happy? Or will they be obliged to change the formula of their products? It seems to me that the FDA is primarily concerned with incorrect labeling and not with incorrect product usage! |
I think your right. The FDA just wants them to remove some of their marketing claims, not remove the product. |
That is correct. Some claims will be removed completely and some will be modified.
L'Oreal/Lancome is obviously a target because L'O is the largest beauty company in the world. I have no doubt that other companies will be paying close attention, and making changes themselves. However,many companies will still push the envelope until they are forced to change. |
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:58 am |
If they can't make outrageous claims in advertisements, the pressure on the blogs and forums is going to increase like crazy (thinking of dr J suggesting restauration of facial fat and cheek fat pads, cure of rosacea etc. and getting away with it).
Cosmetics is about emotion. You don't buy a cream, you buy a dream. Even if your rational mind tells you there's no way the wrinkles that are there are actually going to disappear, part of you wants to believe you will wake up one morning to find your old self in the mirror again. Advertising is, I think, about lulling the rational side with pseudo-scientific b.s., so that your emotional side can get away with spending so much on yet another illusion. |
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:10 pm |
| Lotusesther wrote: |
| If they can't make outrageous claims in advertisements, the pressure on the blogs and forums is going to increase like crazy |
These companies will still make outrageous claims. The FDA only steps in once in a blue moon and even when they do the company has already run their TV,print and radio ads. So the message has already been heard and that will be what is remembered in the consumers mind. |
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:30 pm |
| Lotusesther wrote: |
Cosmetics is about emotion. You don't buy a cream, you buy a dream. Even if your rational mind tells you there's no way the wrinkles that are there are actually going to disappear, part of you wants to believe you will wake up one morning to find your old self in the mirror again. Advertising is, I think, about lulling the rational side with pseudo-scientific b.s., so that your emotional side can get away with spending so much on yet another illusion. |
That's the most perfect summation of the skincare industry that I've ever read!!! 
I still think it's ironic that the FDA worry more about labelling than efficacy - just goes to show how little control there is of cosmetics. If these products were classified as drugs, the labelling would have to be correct - but the products would also have to work. |
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 4:06 pm |
| I don't know if the products would have to work, I think they would just reach the dermis. They could penetrate and then do nothing. |
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 4:13 pm |
I'm glad to see that the FDA is doing this, although I feel that, in the final analysis, it's only a drop in the bucket.
I hope that more women can take the initiative to learn about the science of beauty/skin care and to learn how to read ingredients. Until then, companies will continue to make dubious claims, and women will continue purchasing ineffective products. |
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 4:27 pm |
| LauraLizzie wrote: |
| I don't know if the products would have to work, I think they would just reach the dermis. They could penetrate and then do nothing. |
All substances which are classified as drugs are required by law to do what they claim. If you take medication for high blood pressure - you expect it to lower your blood pressure.
Surely, as consumers, it's not unreasonable to expect all manufacturers claims to be accurate. As an aesthetician, don't you expect the products that you sell to your customers to work? |
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:08 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
All substances which are classified as drugs are required by law to do what they claim. If you take medication for high blood pressure - you expect it to lower your blood pressure... |
The thing is, not all drugs work for everyone and blood pressure is a good example. I think that is why there are so many different blood pressure drugs. The same can be said for antidepressants - different ones work for different people. So the manufacturer has to prove that the drug will work, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will work for you. |
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:02 pm |
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| Keliu wrote: |
All substances which are classified as drugs are required by law to do what they claim. If you take medication for high blood pressure - you expect it to lower your blood pressure... |
The thing is, not all drugs work for everyone and blood pressure is a good example. I think that is why there are so many different blood pressure drugs. The same can be said for antidepressants - different ones work for different people. So the manufacturer has to prove that the drug will work, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will work for you. |
Well I was speaking broadly - my point being that drugs undergo extensive testing and regulation to ensure safety and efficacy(in the main). However, cosmetics can claim whatever they want because there's no accountability. |
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:18 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
| my point being that drugs undergo extensive testing and regulation to ensure safety and efficacy(in the main). However, cosmetics can claim whatever they want because there's no accountability. |
320 billion dollars were spent on drugs in the US alone in 2011. As much money that is spent on skincare products it pales in comparison to pharmaceutical drugs. You will never have the kind of testing that is required for skincare products that is required for drugs and if you did I would think the price for products would go through the roof. |
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:44 pm |
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| Keliu wrote: |
| my point being that drugs undergo extensive testing and regulation to ensure safety and efficacy(in the main). However, cosmetics can claim whatever they want because there's no accountability. |
320 billion dollars were spent on drugs in the US alone in 2011. As much money that is spent on skincare products it pales in comparison to pharmaceutical drugs. You will never have the kind of testing that is required for skincare products that is required for drugs and if you did I would think the price for products would go through the roof. |
Agreed. Except the prices for some high end cosmetic topicals are going through the roof - between $400 and $600 an ounce. That's dearer than most drugs. For those kind of prices I want to know it works!
And the cosmetic companies are the last ones to want any regulation - because then they wouldn't be able to sell their "dream". |
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Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:14 pm |
A "dream" is, for the most part, all that cosmetic companies sell.
Most certainly don't sell products that will give effective results. |
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:13 pm |
Everything everyone said is sadly true! This won't stop the outrageous claims, nor hold anyone accountable. There all in it to make money, or they wouldn't have a product to sale. And were all in it to solve a problem, AGING, so sadly, were gullible.
because every so often a product DOES come along and do some stuff, so we all keep hoping and buying |
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