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Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:46 am |
Hi everyone
I think I've found my HG sunscreen - it says it's high protection, it wears beautifully under make up and isn't too sticky or shiny. Which leads me to worry that it's too good to be true...
Could someone give me advice on whether these ingredients are safe? And also whether I'm degrading it by wearing make up over it?
The product is Bioderma Photoderm Laser Cream 50+
Ingredients: Aqua dicaprylyl carbonate, octocrylene, methylene bis-benzotriazolyl tetramethylbutylphenol, Butylmethoxydibenzoylmethane, cyclomethicone, alcohol denat., C20-22 alkyl phosphate, bis-ethylhexyl-oxyphenolic, methozyphenyl triazine, c20-22 alcohols, ptfe, glycyrrhetinic acid, Glycyrrhiza glabra ( licorice) root extract, tocopheryl acetate, Ectoin, mannitol, xylitol, rhamnose, fructo-oligosaccharides, laminaria ochroleuca extract, decyl glucoside, ammonium acryloyldimethyltaurate / vp copolymer, xanthan gum, disodium edta, sodium hydroxide, propylene glycol, citric acid, caprylic- capric triglyceride, phenoxyethanol, methylparaben, propylparaben, ethylparaben. Fragrance-free formula. ACL 794 531.8
Thanks in advance. And if it does turn out that it's safe to wear make up over it, then I highly recommend it!
Katie |
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Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:21 pm |
KTkat999 wrote: |
Hi everyone
I think I've found my HG sunscreen - it says it's high protection, it wears beautifully under make up and isn't too sticky or shiny. Which leads me to worry that it's too good to be true...
Could someone give me advice on whether these ingredients are safe? And also whether I'm degrading it by wearing make up over it?
The product is Bioderma Photoderm Laser Cream 50+
Ingredients: Aqua dicaprylyl carbonate, octocrylene, methylene bis-benzotriazolyl tetramethylbutylphenol, Butylmethoxydibenzoylmethane, cyclomethicone, alcohol denat., C20-22 alkyl phosphate, bis-ethylhexyl-oxyphenolic, methozyphenyl triazine, c20-22 alcohols, ptfe, glycyrrhetinic acid, Glycyrrhiza glabra ( licorice) root extract, tocopheryl acetate, Ectoin, mannitol, xylitol, rhamnose, fructo-oligosaccharides, laminaria ochroleuca extract, decyl glucoside, ammonium acryloyldimethyltaurate / vp copolymer, xanthan gum, disodium edta, sodium hydroxide, propylene glycol, citric acid, caprylic- capric triglyceride, phenoxyethanol, methylparaben, propylparaben, ethylparaben. Fragrance-free formula. ACL 794 531.8
Thanks in advance. And if it does turn out that it's safe to wear make up over it, then I highly recommend it!
Katie |
Omigosh I don't understand any of this ingredient listing! I was looking for the ingredients that protect from UVA/UVB rays and I don't see them here. One that comes to mind is titanium dioxide/zinc oxide combination. There are other ingredients,,,maybe someone knows. Sorry. |
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Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:44 pm |
Methylene bis-benzotriazolyl tetramethylbutylphenol = Tinosorb M (Protects against UVA1, UVA2 & UVB) It is both a physical and chemical Sunscreen filter. Photo-stable.
Methoxyphenyl triazine = Tinosorb S(Protects against UVA1, UVA2 & UVB)Chemical sunscreen. Very Photo-stable
Butyl methoxy-dibenzoyl-methane = Avobenzone (Protects against UVA1) But is Very Unstable and degrades in sunlight so it needs other filters.
Octocrylene (Protects against UVB, UVA2) Chemical sunscreen. But it can increase skin’s photo sensitivity to the sun, increasing free radicals (bad).
The Tinosorb M & S filters in this sunscreen are said to offer broad spectrum protection like Zinc Oxide but the the other chemical sunscreens are controversial for the body. Also this sunscreen has a lot of Parabens, so be aware of that too.
It is up to you if you are okay with Chemical sunscreens and if you are okay with Parabens.
Also, you need to be sure if you use a chemical sunscreen such as this one, you have to put this on first before any other product because for a chemical sunscreen to work it has to "bind" to the skin to be able to absorb and protect from the UV Rays.
I believe you can put make-up over on top of this, but you just need to be sure you let this sunscreen dry and set on your skin before you put anything on top of it. |
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Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:56 am |
Thanks so much, guys.
Indium - that all sounds a bit worrying... Why would they put something in a product that increases free radicals when you're wearing it to try and protect your skin?! So annoying and it's so difficult to get it right and know that you're doing the best for your skin... I used to wear a purely physical sunblock but then I read that their UVA protection is not all that great and I switched to this. But I don't want to wear it if I'm doing more harm than good! Out of interest, what sunscreen do you wear?
Oh and also, I put a vitamin c/ferulic serum on before this sunscreen - does that mean it won't bind and work properly?...
Thanks again |
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Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:04 pm |
KTkat999 wrote: |
Thanks so much, guys.
Why would they put something in a product that increases free radicals when you're wearing it to try and protect your skin?! So annoying and it's so difficult to get it right and know that you're doing the best for your skin... I used to wear a purely physical sunblock but then I read that their UVA protection is not all that great and I switched to this. But I don't want to wear it if I'm doing more harm than good! Out of interest, what sunscreen do you wear?
Oh and also, I put a vitamin c/ferulic serum on before this sunscreen - does that mean it won't bind and work properly?...
Thanks again |
Actually Physical Sunscreens protect UVA well. I am not sure where you read that they do not protect from UVA. Zinc Oxide is Broad spectrum and does not break down like chemical sunscreens do. I feel it is always better to have a sunscreen that has a least some Zinc Oxide in it.
With chemical sunscreens you have to be very diligent about reapplying every 2 hours. With a physical sunblock you are more able to get away with one application as long as you do not sweat or wipe it off. Chemical sunscreens you must reapply no matter what because it is a chemical that will breakdown.
As for the unstable filters, usually when they put the unstable sunscreen filters they add in the other filters to help stabilize it. But in my opinion I do wish they would just avoid the unstable ones and the ones that could cause free radicals. I know in the US since Tinosorb M & S are not available yet companies here feel they are forced to have to use Avobenzone (for the UVA covreage). But in Eurpoean sunscreens (like the one you are asking about) they do not have the limitation that the USA has so they could have avoided it all together and just stuck with the Tinosorb's and maybe added in Zinc oxide and Titanium.
So ya it is annoying that they put chemicals in sunscreens that can also cause free radicals when they don't have to.
I wish there would be a sunscreen that just used Zinc oxide, Tinosorb M & Tinosorb S.
These three cover full spectrum and are stable on their own.
I know the Tinosorb's are not approved in USA yet, but you will find them in European and some Asian sunscreens but it is hard to find them without the use of the other not so good for you sunscreen filters.
Generally, when possible wearing a hat, covering up and staying in shade is always best to do in addition to sunscreen. I never trust sunscreen 100%. I try so many different sunscreens, I have a whole list. I generally tend to lean towards the ones that use mainly Zinc Oxide. I rotate between different ones as there are so many to try. It is tough!
I personally don't like wearing a chemical sunscreen for everyday. But if you really like this sunscreen and are going to stick with a chemical sunscreen, I have tried Bioderma and of all the chemical ones, this is maybe the better of the chemical sunscreens because at least you do have the Tinosorb's in there and more of the base ingredients are better (except the parabens) than the other general chemical sunscreen's in the USA.
My thoughts on the serums before the sunscreen is that if you have some sort of film (serum/oil/cream) on your skin before you put the chemical sunscreen, then yes it will interfere with the binding that is needed for the sunscreen to work properly. If you want to put anything on your skin before putting a sunscreen you are probably safer to pick a sunscreen that has Zinc oxide in it. Toner would probably be okay before this sunscreen since it would not leave a film on the skin, but I think other things might leave some film that could interfere. Vitamin C also would break down in the sun (unless it is MAP) and it is generally better to use Vitamin C at night so you can get all of its benefits.
hope all this helps |
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Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:00 am |
Thanks so much for all your help. It's such a minefield and difficult to know how to do the best thing for your skin!
Katie |
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Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:59 pm |
Not a problem. I am glad the info helped |
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