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Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:23 pm  |
| CarolineP wrote: |
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| My husband wasn't too happy with me. He was yelling in the middle of it: "this is bull$h1t! I don't care about looking old what's wrong with it?!". |
Hahaha! I can just imagine working on my husband's face, Lol. He would probably try to walk off.
Hmmmm... Might be a good idea to practice on him first  
I would do it away from mirrors, so he can't see the bleeding. Men freak out when seeing blood  |
Actually, it was hard work. I don't recommend it. Save the energy for your own face  unless your man is really up for it.
At least next time (if there is one, he knows what he's in for.
I said to him after, "so I gues I'll just throw your needle cartridge away if you'll never do it again?", and then he started saying (after swearing up and down during it, never again), "oh, maybe I'll see how it works first..." Lol. |
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:00 pm |
| trigger wrote: |
| CarolineP wrote: |
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| My husband wasn't too happy with me. He was yelling in the middle of it: "this is bull$h1t! I don't care about looking old what's wrong with it?!". |
Hahaha! I can just imagine working on my husband's face, Lol. He would probably try to walk off.
Hmmmm... Might be a good idea to practice on him first
I would do it away from mirrors, so he can't see the bleeding. Men freak out when seeing blood |
Actually, it was hard work. I don't recommend it. Save the energy for your own face unless your man is really up for it.
At least next time (if there is one, he knows what he's in for.
I said to him after, "so I gues I'll just throw your needle cartridge away if you'll never do it again?", and then he started saying (after swearing up and down during it, never again), "oh, maybe I'll see how it works first..." Lol. |
just be careful with reusing the cartridge, there was discussion a lil while ago that these cartridges cannot be disinfected properly because of their design.. |
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:14 pm |
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| just be careful with reusing the cartridge, there was discussion a lil while ago that these cartridges cannot be disinfected properly because of their design.. |
I agree...I personally don't think the risk of reusing a cartridge is worth it. I won't even reuse a roller longer than .15. |
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:52 pm |
Thanks for the heads up. I've used my 1.5 roller twice on myself, but agree sterility is always an issue, and being safe is always better than being sorry. I think that's a good standard to have out there.
I don't agree that it isn't possible to sterilize these cartridges, but given that people have all different kinds of home situations etc, its better to promote the safest option. |
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:05 pm |
| bethany wrote: |
| daler wrote: |
| just be careful with reusing the cartridge, there was discussion a lil while ago that these cartridges cannot be disinfected properly because of their design.. |
I agree...I personally don't think the risk of reusing a cartridge is worth it. I won't even reuse a roller longer than .15. |
I actually have more qualms about sterility using a fresh needle cartridge, as strange as that might sound. I always disinfect before using it (I'm sure we all do), but at least after I've fully sterilized it myself I know for a fact it's safe. You might think I'm strange, but I worry because you never know what might happen in manufacturing or who may have touched it. We can hope they're produced in a completely sterile area, but whenever humans are involved (and they inevitably are) there is room for error.
But that is not to take away from those that feel a fresh cartridge is a must each time. I'm going to think on it some more. Seeing as they come in such large lots at reasonable prices, it makes sense anyway. However I don't like wasting things unnecessarily, especially as the needles stay super sharp and are perfectly viable for many treatments I imagine. Thanks for bringing it up. |
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:08 am |
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I actually have more qualms about sterility using a fresh needle cartridge, as strange as that might sound. I always disinfect before using it (I'm sure we all do), but at least after I've fully sterilized it myself I know for a fact it's safe. You might think I'm strange, but I worry because you never know what might happen in manufacturing or who may have touched it. We can hope they're produced in a completely sterile area, but whenever humans are involved (and they inevitably are) there is room for error.
But that is not to take away from those that feel a fresh cartridge is a must each time. I'm going to think on it some more. Seeing as they come in such large lots at reasonable prices, it makes sense anyway. However I don't like wasting things unnecessarily, especially as the needles stay super sharp and are perfectly viable for many treatments I imagine. Thanks for bringing it up. |
I definitely sterilize new needles too with alcohol...who really knows what happens before they seal them up?
The main thing is disinfection, and unfortunately I don't think everyone takes it as seriously as they should. Many years ago we had someone who got a staph infection on her face from not properly disinfecting her roller, and that scared the poo out of me.  Then I had the unfortunate experience of my roller falling apart while I was rolling...a result of using denture tablets as part of the recommended cleaning protocol.  And that was the end of my reuse of needles, lol.
But each person should make the decision that they are the most comfortable with. No judgement here if your protocol is different than mine! |
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:37 am |
My sterilization routine before needling involves thoroughly washing my hands and arms up to the elbow, as well as face and neck - in a tea tree oil based liquid soap.
I drop my needle tip in a cup of hydrogen peroxide for a few minutes before putting it on the device (do similar with rollers).
After needling, I have tossed the tips back into a fresh cup of hydrogen peroxide and left them there overnight. Then, I laid them out to dry. I have never re-used one, but I might. I don't know yet. Personally, I think it's interesting to think that bacteria could still be alive after weeks of the last usage, and being kept in a clean container. I am not afraid of my own body fluids - I would most be concerned about sharing needles or fluids with others.
I don't know - I have not re-used one, but I do keep them, so who knows about the future. I view this in somewhat the same light that my electrologist views hygiene in her office.
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:48 am |
| I would worry just as much about dull needles as infection. When we inject botox,we switch put needles every 4th spot. |
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:55 am |
| Hypodermic needles are hollow, and do blunt very quickly. Roller needles are a completely different design. I only used my roller twice, and but it was just as sharp the second time. Not that I think Sarah Vaughtner is the most reliable source, but even she, a seller of rollers says they will stay sharp for a year. Now, I am not suggesting this, nor have I tried. But they can not be compared to a hypodermic needle. Totally different things. |
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:15 am |
One issue I have is that I don't use the My-M needles except for certain areas of my face....they certainly aren't used for my full face or other body parts...so who's to really know how much usage it would take before they go dull? 10 minutes of use? 30 minutes of use? I assume the manufacturers provide some kind of guidelines to professionals.
In some ways, it becomes clear why someone would discard a needle after one session - without regard for how long that session actually took place.
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:28 am |
| It's definitely an interesting question. I feel confident in my sterilization techniques and the ability of the needles to stay sharp for at least a few treatments on myself. But, I am by no means encouraging others to follow suit. I also completely understand those that are taking a more cautious approach. You can never be too cautious. |
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:10 pm |
| trigger wrote: |
| Hypodermic needles are hollow, and do blunt very quickly. Roller needles are a completely different design. I only used my roller twice, and but it was just as sharp the second time. Not that I think Sarah Vaughtner is the most reliable source, but even she, a seller of rollers says they will stay sharp for a year. Now, I am not suggesting this, nor have I tried. But they can not be compared to a hypodermic needle. Totally different things. |
I posted some detailed info on this a very long time ago in the dermarolling articles thread. The longer the needles, the more quickly they become dull due to electrical vibrations that take place during rolling.
For the most part, with the exception of the very short needles, rollers of .5mm or longer are designed to be used one time. That could have changed over time, but I would want to see some documentation to that effect from someone who is not a reseller.
Here is a statement I found from the Journal of Cutaneous and Aesthetic Surgery:
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The standard dermaroller used for acne scars is a drum-shaped roller studded with 192 fine microneedles in eight rows, 0.5-1.5 mm in length and 0.1 mm in diameter. The microneedles are synthesized by reactive ion etching techniques on silicon or medical-grade stainless steel. The instrument is presterilized by gamma irradiation. Medical dermarollers are for single use only.
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Home-Care dermarollers less than 0.15 mm in length are available for transdermal delivery of substances like lipopeptides and other anti-ageing products. They can be used twice a week for up to one hundred times.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2918341/ |
This article is not related to reuse, but contains some interesting info on penetration of flat needle tools (like stamps or dermapens) vs cylindrical needle tools, and it said velocity is also a factor. I'll look it over when I have some free time.
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/222049179_Skin_penetration_enhancement_by_a_microneedle_device_%28Dermaroller%29_in_vitro_Dependency_on_needle_size_and_applied_formulation/file/d912f50e80bfe4a3ab.pdf |
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:13 pm |
This is why I always loved it here. Thank you very much Bethany.
*runs off to stock up on cartridges* |
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Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:50 pm |
| I tried the SkinPen today. Holy smokes is my face warm and red. And tight. Yowza.... |
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Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:06 pm |
Laura,
Do you have a link to the manufacturer's page on this device? I am curious to see what it looks like, what the claims are.
Thanks, BFG |
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:39 am |
I think Panda has her dermapen treatments done at a salon and she has mentioned getting a glycolic peel first.
Does anyone give themselves a glycolic acid peel before they use the dermapen? If so, what percentage?
Thanks!
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:36 am |
We offer peels right after the pen treatment. lots of different options (glycolic, lactic, blends etc) including the APeel, VI Peel and Perfect Peel. You just want to be careful and follow the directions exactly and use for limited times because with a numb face, you can't tell when it is burning and too strong.
I am on the fence about doing a peel after the pen. I think it is too much for my face and probably for most people. |
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:42 am |
I never asked about the reason for the glycolic peel prior to the dermapen treatment. I just assumed (always a bad idea) that it was being done to assist the movement of the pen and to keep the needles sharp. I would not want to put glycolic acid on my face following the treatment - or any other acid for that matter - while the pores are wide open, but that's just my personal preference.
I am very, very happy with my dermapen results so far. My skin looks great and my understanding is that I will continue to see improvement for up to the next year!
I looked at the website for the SkinPen and while the site isn't functional yet, the photo of the pen on the home page looks just like the dermapen. LauraLizzie, I'd be interested to know what differences you see since you have both tools. |
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:43 am |
Thanks LauraLizzie for the info.
My thought was that the peel gets rid of dead skin cells and the numbing cream and the dermapen both have an easier time of penetrating the top layer of skin.
I did a glycolic acid peel three days ago and was a little scared that a dermapen treatment was going to be too much for my skin.
But, I just got finished with my first dermapen treatment and don't see a problem. I also wanted to say that you ladies are so smart and so generous with your info!
All I had to do is follow your recommendations and be patient with the stamping and gliding. I was amazed that underneath the eye did not bother me at all. It took me 3 hours but I think I did a good job. Can't wait to see six months down the road.
Thanks all! |
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:23 pm |
| LauraLizzie wrote: |
We offer peels right after the pen treatment. lots of different options (glycolic, lactic, blends etc) including the APeel, VI Peel and Perfect Peel. You just want to be careful and follow the directions exactly and use for limited times because with a numb face, you can't tell when it is burning and too strong.
I am on the fence about doing a peel after the pen. I think it is too much for my face and probably for most people. |
I am surprised peels are being offered directly after a needling treatment when the micro-channels are still open. Surely it is not ideal to have the acids from a peel penetrating so deeply into the skin. |
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:40 pm |
| I also wouldn't do any peels after a roll. I did do a PMD treatment before a roll once. I didn't really notice any difference. I did see microdermabrasion listed on several dermatologist sites to be done before a Dermapen treatment. I think it is suppose to help with needle penetration by removing dead skin. |
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Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:54 am |
Post roll peel sounds to me completely insane.
*screams* |
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Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:04 pm |
| Has anyone noticed their neck skin/eye skin firming up after several dermapen treatments? |
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Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:50 pm |
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| Has anyone noticed their neck skin/eye skin firming up after several dermapen treatments? |
My under eye area has gotten better. No change on my neck though. |
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Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:17 pm |
Cookie, LOL about your signature! Love it!
Anyway, does anybody have any suggestions for topical vitamin A (like maybe stuff you can buy at Garden of Wisdom or Personal Formulator or Beyond-A-Century) that could maybe replace tretinoin/retin-A? I really hate the photosensitivity of retin-A but would like the benefit of a vitamin A product.
Also, is the expiration date of retin-A pretty tight? I have some tubes I've had for quite a while that expired a couple of years ago. They've been tightly capped in a cool, dark place. I know for some things you can ignore the expiry for a while (CP's come to mind)...just wondering if retin-A is one of those things. I could try the .025 again, maybe, if there's no good alternative. |
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