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Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:25 pm |
CookieD wrote: |
Bethany, I don't know if you have a ultrasound gadget but if you do you might want to try it on your strawberry blood spots. The Merbe really helped me clear out those bruised areas under my eye and on my neck after my DermaJet treatment. It didn't work as well on my forehead and cheek area. |
Cookie, great idea!
I don't have an ultrasound, but I am going to try the microcurrent. I am hoping the increase in circulation to the area will help move the old blood away. I am starting that tomorrow since I actually did a few spots I missed earlier today. |
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Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:43 pm |
Yikes...more decisions. I sure wish DermaPen would do one with the specs we need. |
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Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:10 pm |
My thinking is - if the My-M is doing an acceptable job, do I need a better device? I drive a down-market Japanese car - but it would be nice to have an up-market European car. But considering the fact that they both get me from A - B, I'll just stick with what I have and save some money! |
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Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:29 pm |
Keliu wrote: |
My thinking is - if the My-M is doing an acceptable job, do I need a better device? I drive a down-market Japanese car - but it would be nice to have an up-market European car. But considering the fact that they both get me from A - B, I'll just stick with what I have and save some money! |
I agree. Keep what works and if it dies, then start looking for a replacement. |
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Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:52 pm |
LauraLizzie wrote: |
Keliu wrote: |
My thinking is - if the My-M is doing an acceptable job, do I need a better device? I drive a down-market Japanese car - but it would be nice to have an up-market European car. But considering the fact that they both get me from A - B, I'll just stick with what I have and save some money! |
I agree. Keep what works and if it dies, then start looking for a replacement. |
Agreed. I will stick with the My-M as long as I still have replacement needles. I bought 20, so that will be quite a while, lol. |
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Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:20 pm |
Well that happened with the brand name "Dermaroller" - it just became a genetic name for rollers.
This device has red and blue LED lights which I think would just be a useless gimmick. |
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Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:51 pm |
Idealist wrote: |
It would be good for potential customers to have an understanding of post procedural effects ie. possible swelling, redness, dry rough skin, and peeling (I peeled twice this last treatment). |
Just an FYI that I am sure I will be peeling after this treatment. The skin under my eyes is already scaly feeling.
To Panda's point, I can see where the more holes does create a microdermabrasion effect. |
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Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:04 am |
I would speculate there would be a lot of devices coming out of Asia....Asians appear to be very skincare conscious, more than other parts of the world...(remember the masks they wear at the beach to protect their faces?)....I am betting there will be a huge market there...so they get sold on eBay?
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Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:48 am |
That was the kind of bleeding I got Bethany too (I remember getting a couple of fingers shaken my way for ). I only used .5 around the eyes, but, like you, I am a bleeder and a bruiser. This last treatment I bled less, but I made sure to not take my medicine with aspirin, and used shorter lengths.
I remain in awe of the effectiveness of using the electric devices vs rolling though. In just two sessions a deep 'gouge' scar and two chickenpox scars in my forehead that I didn't even have any imaginings of helping (due to having single needled and rolled before to only minimal effect) have lost the shiny scar tissue, and is now fresh skin, and almost flat to the surrounding skin. It was at least 2mm deep. There is no 'micro-inflammation' present either. The lip lines are nothing short of miraculous. I absolutely hate doing the treatments due to the week of downtime for me, but will soldier on for the reversal of damage I see. Last treatment I peeled all over twice, to reveal nice clear skin.
I should mention that I do a lot more than just four times over the same area. In the places I want real improvement, like over scars, or lip lines, around the orbital rim for thickening etc, I circle over the area repeatedly, coming a lot closer to James' 15 times over the area than LauraLizzie's four passes (I know she says she does a couple of extra passes over problem areas too). I have never come close to hamburger, but n my lips I have spent quite a bit of time making as many holes as I possibly can. Given that it is less painful, it is possible for me. I believe this is the crucial part as to why I suddenly began to see real results. Aside from swelling and typical first day redness, there has been no indication that there has been any kind of undue trauma from this. I react much the same way as when I roll making less holes. Either way I swell and take a week to look better. |
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Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:05 am |
I look even worse today than I did yesterday.
I am definitely doing shorter needles next time. In fact, because these pens inflict so much more trauma than the rollers, I am really rethinking my whole needling strategy. All the prior studies on needle length were done with rollers, and I am wondering how much of that is really relevant if you are using a pen.
I think I will use .5mm next time everywhere. |
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Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:03 pm |
Idealist wrote: |
That was the kind of bleeding
I remain in awe of the effectiveness of using the electric devices vs rolling though. In just two sessions a deep 'gouge' scar and two chickenpox scars in my forehead that I didn't even have any imaginings of helping (due to having single needled and rolled before to only minimal effect) have lost the shiny scar tissue, and is now fresh skin, and almost flat to the surrounding skin. It was at least 2mm deep. There is no 'micro-inflammation' present either. The lip lines are nothing short of miraculous. I absolutely hate doing the treatments due to the week of downtime for me, but will soldier on for the reversal of damage I see. Last treatment I peeled all over twice, to reveal nice clear skin.
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Hm the scar tissue improvement sounds interesting...
Is that with the My-M at 0.5 how many passes?How do you count passes;p? Excuse me for being ignorant to micro-damaging.
I suggest you get your hands on some avocado masks or avocado oil to even help with the scars etc. |
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Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:25 pm |
bethany wrote: |
I look even worse today than I did yesterday.
I am definitely doing shorter needles next time. In fact, because these pens inflict so much more trauma than the rollers, I am really rethinking my whole needling strategy. All the prior studies on needle length were done with rollers, and I am wondering how much of that is really relevant if you are using a pen.
I think I will use .5mm next time everywhere. |
If I remember correctly, Sarah V had suggested to use .5mm less than one's dermaroller's needle length.... |
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Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:12 pm |
daler wrote: |
bethany wrote: |
I look even worse today than I did yesterday.
I am definitely doing shorter needles next time. In fact, because these pens inflict so much more trauma than the rollers, I am really rethinking my whole needling strategy. All the prior studies on needle length were done with rollers, and I am wondering how much of that is really relevant if you are using a pen.
I think I will use .5mm next time everywhere. |
If I remember correctly, Sarah V had suggested to use .5mm less than one's dermaroller's needle length.... |
I am getting a bit confused. I agree that the electric needling do create a lot more holes in the skin then the manual dermarollers. I start to question why we should use a shorter needle though. I know there is some research that says .05mm needles work as good as longer ones but most of the research deals with needles from 1.0mm and up. If the needle adjustment thingy is calibrate correctly (probably some aren't) along with the needles being the correct length in the cartridges (again, probably some aren't) I wouldn't think the electric pens would penetrate any further into the skin. Are you thinking that the force of the up and down motion is pushing the needles into the skin more then what the same length would on a manual roller? |
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Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:29 pm |
CookieD wrote: |
daler wrote: |
bethany wrote: |
I look even worse today than I did yesterday.
I am definitely doing shorter needles next time. In fact, because these pens inflict so much more trauma than the rollers, I am really rethinking my whole needling strategy. All the prior studies on needle length were done with rollers, and I am wondering how much of that is really relevant if you are using a pen.
I think I will use .5mm next time everywhere. |
If I remember correctly, Sarah V had suggested to use .5mm less than one's dermaroller's needle length.... |
I am getting a bit confused. I agree that the electric needling do create a lot more holes in the skin then the manual dermarollers. I start to question why we should use a shorter needle though. I know there is some research that says .05mm needles work as good as longer ones but most of the research deals with needles from 1.0mm and up. If the needle adjustment thingy is calibrate correctly (probably some aren't) along with the needles being the correct length in the cartridges (again, probably some aren't) I wouldn't think the electric pens would penetrate any further into the skin. Are you thinking that the force of the up and down motion is pushing the needles into the skin more then what the same length would on a manual roller? |
That's what Sarah said....AFAIR |
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Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:30 pm |
if it's the real thing then its like 50% off, great buy fawnie! |
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Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:47 pm |
daler wrote: |
CookieD wrote: |
daler wrote: |
bethany wrote: |
I look even worse today than I did yesterday.
I am definitely doing shorter needles next time. In fact, because these pens inflict so much more trauma than the rollers, I am really rethinking my whole needling strategy. All the prior studies on needle length were done with rollers, and I am wondering how much of that is really relevant if you are using a pen.
I think I will use .5mm next time everywhere. |
If I remember correctly, Sarah V had suggested to use .5mm less than one's dermaroller's needle length.... |
I am getting a bit confused. I agree that the electric needling do create a lot more holes in the skin then the manual dermarollers. I start to question why we should use a shorter needle though. I know there is some research that says .05mm needles work as good as longer ones but most of the research deals with needles from 1.0mm and up. If the needle adjustment thingy is calibrate correctly (probably some aren't) along with the needles being the correct length in the cartridges (again, probably some aren't) I wouldn't think the electric pens would penetrate any further into the skin. Are you thinking that the force of the up and down motion is pushing the needles into the skin more then what the same length would on a manual roller? |
That's what Sarah said....AFAIR |
I know that's what Sarah said, but I think the issue is more the number of "holes" that are being created. The pen is capable of creating thousands of holes and it would take a whole lot of rolling to patch that. So I believe that the intensity of the treatment with the pen is much greater. |
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Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:15 pm |
The reason I might buy additional devices is to have them in the event the FDA cracks down on sales of them....
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Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:21 pm |
OMG....jealous!!!!! |
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Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:26 pm |
CookieD wrote: |
daler wrote: |
bethany wrote: |
I look even worse today than I did yesterday.
I am definitely doing shorter needles next time. In fact, because these pens inflict so much more trauma than the rollers, I am really rethinking my whole needling strategy. All the prior studies on needle length were done with rollers, and I am wondering how much of that is really relevant if you are using a pen.
I think I will use .5mm next time everywhere. |
If I remember correctly, Sarah V had suggested to use .5mm less than one's dermaroller's needle length.... |
I am getting a bit confused. I agree that the electric needling do create a lot more holes in the skin then the manual dermarollers. I start to question why we should use a shorter needle though. I know there is some research that says .05mm needles work as good as longer ones but most of the research deals with needles from 1.0mm and up. If the needle adjustment thingy is calibrate correctly (probably some aren't) along with the needles being the correct length in the cartridges (again, probably some aren't) I wouldn't think the electric pens would penetrate any further into the skin. Are you thinking that the force of the up and down motion is pushing the needles into the skin more then what the same length would on a manual roller? |
I am just thinking that the extensive holes are creating a definite wound environment (as required for the cascade to kick in), and that the longer needles may not be as necessary. And I was also thinking about the .5mm research from Dr. S.
Plus I am also looking for a way to reduce the pain and not look like someone beat me up, lol.
ETA: I also think that the pens may penetrate more deeply than the rollers, though I definitely didn't hold mine against my skin enough to get a full 1.0mm penetration. So if it can do this kind of damage at less than 1.0mm, it scares me a bit.
BTW, I am peeling a bit today which never really happened with the roller (unless I used Retin A right after). |
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Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:27 pm |
great, fawnie, let us know what you think of it....I would take a screen shot of the warranty...
can't wait to hear what you think of it.
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Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:50 pm |
BTW, the ebay seller that Fawnie posted appears to be selling an Emla substitute very cheaply. Granted there is no label on the tube, but we really have no idea what we are getting when we buy from online pharmacies anyway, lol.
That said, I am still not sure I would buy it. |
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