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Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:13 pm |
Microcurrent has been around for decades. I used it 15 years ago in salons. There seems to be renewed interest in it for some reason, perhaps technology is slightly improved, but there is absolutely no proof it lifts the face. It is anecdotal, and usually by those trying to sell expensive products or treatments. I will reserve my opinion on it until I see something convincing. A great massage that stimulates blood supply can be very lifting. You'd be surprised. Also the expectation and placebo effect can be very strong. This is not to say you are not getting results, however I have yet to be convinced in any way. And I am trained in it, and have used it. We found it very unconvincing and our clients as well as ourselves found a good manual massage much more effective every time.
As far as ultrasound, I believe you're right about it being permanently lifting, however it does give some kind of lifting effect (could be the massage, too). I accidentally concentrated on one side more this morning, and when I went to look in the mirror, my face was crooked! I had to go back and do some more on the other side. This was also due to a bit more fluid retention being left on the side that got a bit less treatment. It evened out fine. Yesterday, I got half my face done before my husband bought up the tea in bed in the morning, and one of my eyes had the eyelid slightly drooping with a little fold, and the side I had done, was lifted with no fold. It was dramatic enough for a man to see, and it happened to be on the side of my 'lower brow' (one of my brows arches higher than the other).
So, it does something. |
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:24 pm |
Thanks trigger for your thorough reply.
I am a tried an true Retin A gal. It was one of the first things I started using when I hit 30 and got serious about my skin--Its been like 2 years on, one year off though because of my pregnancy. TCA likewise I thought was beneficial. I did a few TCA peels over the past 3 years with 15% TCA working up to a four layer peel. Now I'm letting my skin rest with that and (hopefally) develop the collagen.
I don't think it was fluid--it looked nice and full not bloated. I gain a lot of weight when I am pregnant, don't have water retention issues, and lose it a little too quickly when I'm done. Rinse, repeat every two years for a decade and you end up with saggy loose skin on the cheeks and stomach
I have been seriously looking into the vaculifter and dermaroller as well... but the vaculifter seems to have disappeared from the retail world! It was actually between this and the dermaroller as my next big purchase, but your link is so affordable, it might not be as long to the second purchase as I had thought! |
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:53 pm |
Depending on the amount of sag, we can only expect so much from non invasive procedures.
I believe you are looking in the right directions though.
If its just fat loss from the face, and resulting loss of elasticity, given that you are still relatively young, I think it can bounce back to a degree with the right relatively aggressive treatments. Dermarolling is one of those, though the My-M is relatively cheap given the different length and shape rollers/stamps to effectively treat the full face, and a few properly spaced treatments may help firm your face if it hasn't lost too much elasticity. Even if it has, it will thicken and improve the quality of your skin if you respond well and can handle doing aggressive enough treatments to yourself.
The vaculifter was a nice enough massage device, but I never kept up with it. It bought good blood supply to the surface, perhaps strengthens skin, but not enough to keep me using it.
Well, I'm still looking into ultrasound, at the same time trying to choose between a Tria or Reaura if I think it will help, so anything I find out about what it's doing, I'll post here.
The numbing cream came today, so I'm off to attack my husband with the My-M. He also has a thin face with some sagging. He is 52 though.
If your face gains a bit of weight in the face, perhaps you might consider gaining just a couple of pounds? I know its a bit of a case of sacrificing the body for the face... Such a hard call! But that's really the only other way to get the volume back you speak of besides far grafting or fillers, and I don't know about the grafting except you need an absolute expert in the field and it costs and arm and a leg, but I've never seen someone with fillers yet that just didn't have this odd look to them that I wouldn't have preferred to less invasive beauty care. They can look great in photos, but when the face is moving, something unusual happens. But I'm not an expert. Perhaps really subtle and great ones I'd never know. But I digress.
You can tighten your skin with a combination of therapies, so long as you stick to the proven methods that you can find deliverable results on, not just ones touted by sellers with interest.
As far as ultrasound, I am not 100 percent sure of all the science pertaining to how it helps the face, but as it was a small investment, it was more just a checking it out thing. So far I'm very impressed for my issues (I don't have major sag, but at 38, I'm sure it's happening! Especially with all the puffing and depuffing that's happened). My eye area has really suffered from the puffy issue. I hope to thicken it up with everything I can throw at it this coming year. I would hate to resort to fillers in the tear trough, because you don't make a good candidate if your prone to allergies and your bags change from day to day or week to week. You could end up with a huge eyebag reaction. So, for me its everything I can do myself. But no hocus pocus. |
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:25 pm |
trigger wrote: |
Microcurrent has been around for decades. I used it 15 years ago in salons. There seems to be renewed interest in it for some reason, perhaps technology is slightly improved, but there is absolutely no proof it lifts the face. It is anecdotal, and usually by those trying to sell expensive products or treatments. I will reserve my opinion on it until I see something convincing. A great massage that stimulates blood supply can be very lifting. You'd be surprised. Also the expectation and placebo effect can be very strong. This is not to say you are not getting results, however I have yet to be convinced in any way. And I am trained in it, and have used it. We found it very unconvincing and our clients as well as ourselves found a good manual massage much more effective every time.
As far as ultrasound, I believe you're right about it being permanently lifting, however it does give some kind of lifting effect (could be the massage, too). I accidentally concentrated on one side more this morning, and when I went to look in the mirror, my face was crooked! I had to go back and do some more on the other side. This was also due to a bit more fluid retention being left on the side that got a bit less treatment. It evened out fine. Yesterday, I got half my face done before my husband bought up the tea in bed in the morning, and one of my eyes had the eyelid slightly drooping with a little fold, and the side I had done, was lifted with no fold. It was dramatic enough for a man to see, and it happened to be on the side of my 'lower brow' (one of my brows arches higher than the other).
So, it does something. |
Hi trigger.. not sure if you have mentioned this earlier, but whats the best mhz to use on face.. is it 1 mHz or 2 or 3? so confusing.... thank you v much |
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:29 pm |
Well, usually the 3mhz which only goes skin deep was used in facial devices, and 1mhz is used in physical therapy for muscle healing/pain relief because it penetrates 5-6cm into the body I believe. But it is more involved than that. It doesn't just depend on the MHz, but the strength as well. I honestly haven't had a whole lot of time to study the ideal specs. Apparently 2mhz can be good on the face, but once again the MHz don't say it all. I look forward to finding out more, and I especially wished there was someone more technological than me that understood it and could explain it for us. Then there are things like continuous wave, and pulsing, which have different actions also... Very interesting. Although mine works, I'm really hankering after one that causes the tissue warming I've seen and heard about. These are either stronger 3mhz machines, or can vary in depth from 1mhz - 3hmz and strength. A good quality machine would be great, but I need to fully understand it first! |
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:36 pm |
trigger wrote: |
Well, usually the 3mhz which only goes skin deep was used in facial devices, and 1mhz is used in physical therapy for muscle healing/pain relief because it penetrates 5-6cm into the body I believe. But it is more involved than that. It doesn't just depend on the MHz, but the strength as well. I honestly haven't had a whole lot of time to study the ideal specs. Apparently 2mhz can be good on the face, but once again the MHz don't say it all. I look forward to finding out more, and I especially wished there was someone more technological than me that understood it and could explain it for us. Then there are things like continuous wave, and pulsing, which have different actions also... Very interesting. Although mine works, I'm really hankering after one that causes the tissue warming I've seen and heard about. These are either stronger 3mhz machines, or can vary in depth from 1mhz - 3hmz and strength. A good quality machine would be great, but I need to fully understand it first! |
thank you trigger.. so if mhz is not the measure of strength, what is? sorry for all these questions... |
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:20 pm |
Sorry to jump in, but there has been a later research that 1Mhz is actually more beneficial (due to heat with 3Mhz units).
Both high-end Europen units Sqoom and Skindream Titanium are 1Mhz.
HTH |
_________________ Early 50s, Skin: combin.,semi-sensitive, fair with occasional breakouts, some old acne scars, freckles, under-eye wrinkles; Redhead with hazel eyes |
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:55 pm |
Yes, I agree sigma. I mentioned above that I longed for the skindream. Anyone tried one? |
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:18 pm |
Yes, I bought one (50% sale was hard to resist).
Nothing dramatic.
I have heard people raving about Sqoom though, and it's version made in Korea much cheaper about $200-300). If you do a search you can find it mentioned on this forum.
HTH |
_________________ Early 50s, Skin: combin.,semi-sensitive, fair with occasional breakouts, some old acne scars, freckles, under-eye wrinkles; Redhead with hazel eyes |
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:59 pm |
Are there any concerns about the device on long term cellular health? I mean it is a radiation and visible light and UVB/UVA which obviously can cause cellular damage with long term exposure can also cause beautiful results with initial exposure. I am not a fan of tanning, but there is no doubting the radiance of my kids' faces when they play in the sun.
On one hand, its safe enough to use on a fetus (obviously)
On the other hand (call me a grass-fed-butter-eating-home-birthin-cosleepin'-hippie-peace-freak) I have limited my ultrasound during my pregnancies because of concerns I have seen over the heating that occurs causing possible damage to fetal cells.
I'm not adverse to doing my own research but if anyone has any links I'd appreciate that too! |
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:48 pm |
I'm really interested in more of the research too Umenis, I haven't had enough time to fully look into it yet. As far as safety, I don't think anyone has ruined their face yet... The LED lights have been written about extensively on this forum and elsewhere if you do a search. I think they're a wonderful adjunct, but you don't get anywhere near enough with one of these, though every bit counts.
My eyebags are completely gone right now, and my usually puffy lower face is completely firm and taut. Even a little pouch next to one side of my mouth that I got from doing facial exercises years ago that never really went away has flattened out. My skin looks nice too. Actually the skin under my eyes is a bit crepey, which is probably because its puffed out usually I guess. It just needs to snap back.
If these results really turn out to be consistent, and are definitely because of this little device, then I can heartily recommend it for anyone than needs better circulation and lymph drainage in the face. It has made me look very much more healthy. Please don't rush out and get it yet on my results alone as I'm still testing it. I'm a celiac, and swell with even a whiff of gluten, and I want to spend a bit more time seeing if it continues to work for my issues. I must mention that Ive been using my red LED as well, which has made my skin feel soft and has given it a luminosity as well as evening out the tone. But, it has never done anything for my eyebags or fluid retention/face shape.
Some problems are I think the device is plasticky and more cheaply built than I would prefer, but then again, it was cheap, so there you go. I would be disappointed in the quality if I paid $150. It is definitely not worth that in build or components. I would still like a much better made/nicer feeling in the hand ultrasound, but that is being picky, because, this does seem to work.
But I'll come back to further review it, if anyone is interested in the eyebags/lifting effect verdict. I need to use it for longer, and see my face go through some different stressors. Unfortunately my face is the first place things show, so soon enough it will have a run for its money and I'll be able to see if I still have the faith in it.
So far? I'm amazed and excited. It's fun feeling like I don't look tired and unwell for a change. |
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:56 pm |
Interesting product Trigger. I must say I'm actually a bit shocked as I'm subscribed to a shop on line that supposedly searches for bargains to offer and I receive weekly emails with offers of different products, and this is one of the products they had on offer a couple of months ago, and that they again had on offer just about two or three days ago:
http://es.letsbonus.com/boutique/barcelona/letsbonus-producto-terapia-ultrasonica-188990
It is all in Spanish, but even if you don't know the language it is easy to see that they are stating that it is valued in €245 and selling as an offer at €69!!!! Wow, that IS a bargain... I've been eyeing it ever so often wondering what to do... and then I've settled down for my nightly browsing through the EDS forum and took a quick look at the link of the gadget that Trigger mentions in the previous page... which to me is exactly the same one!!!
So I've done a quick search in ebay and easily found the gadget for €35,61!!!!!
http://www.ebay.es/itm/LCD-Photon-3MHz-Ultrasonic-Sonic-Ion-Photon-Skin-Rejuvenation-face-massager-v-/290819195996?pt=US_Skin_Care&hash=item43b62cc45c
Half the price of what the on line shop supposedly bargain offers I'm subscribed to is offering!!!! Claiming also it is a product valued at €245!!!!
Sorry I'm speaking in € currency, it is the one I use...
I'm just so amazed at how they can charge such different prices for the same gadget depending on where you buy it, and also I'm flabbergasted at the on line shop stating it is a €245 valued product... that is unbelievable manipulating information to sell!!!!
Learnt a lot in just one hour of reading here!!!
Excuse my long post, I thought it was worth pointing out, and it has certainly made me realise it is really worth spending some time searching and comparing before lashing out the money on a new product or gadget!
I'm still getting over my !! |
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:48 pm |
I agree Atester.
I've noticed on EDS that its always good to wait a little and see what stands the test of time. So many things have been the holy grail of the moment. Then suddenly no one is using them anymore. That's why I don't want to be one of the ringleaders in that, especially when I haven't even done my homework on this properly yet. I noticed it when I was buying my My-M, saw how cheap it was and thought, whatever, I'll check it out. I recognized it from reading about it on the truth in aging blog, which these days is a total sell out blog that pushes super expensive hypey products through its store. I still occasionally go there and see what they're hyping though:)
I'm still amazed. Usually one side of my face is puffier than the other from being a side/sleeper all my life I guess (not anymore, Ive trained myself to sleep on my back!). For the first time ever, my face is symmetrical. It is strange seeing myself like this. My jowl area hadn't drooped, but was always a bit 'full' looking if you can understand it, and now, they have completely emptied, and I have a sculpted low face, and still the eye bags are the most non-existent they've ever been. So, it works on my face, but my issues aren't the same as everyone else's.
By the way, the crepeyness I thought I saw under my eye last night was dried sea kelp bio ferment that I was using as ultrasound gel
I guess it's important as consumers to pay attention. |
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:07 am |
sigma wrote: |
Sorry to jump in, but there has been a later research that 1Mhz is actually more beneficial (due to heat with 3Mhz units).
Both high-end Europen units Sqoom and Skindream Titanium are 1Mhz.
HTH |
Here is the study Sigma is referring to:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC522144/
Note the conclusions:
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Conclusions:
Our results suggest that 3-MHz ultrasound heats 0.5 cm deeper than suggested by others. With our machine, 3-MHz ultrasound was more effective in heating muscle at this depth than 1-MHz ultrasound. |
This study is related to the use of therapeutic ultrasound. I don't believe it makes any new recommendations for the use of ultrasound for cosmetic purposes. Hence, I'm still not convinced that 1-MHz is the correct modality for the face. But, as Trigger states, I think there is more to the equation than just looking at the MHz. It may well be that the SQOOM and SkinDream have other sophisticated technicalities that make these devices superior. |
_________________ Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:52 am |
I puchased the skindream a few years ago and used it for a year and sadly seen no results.So its been tucked away in my wardrobe for a good while .I think i will get it out and give it another try.I remember another member whos name was cooking katie i think ,had some good results with it though. |
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:22 am |
Thanks Marcia. Good to know. I bet results as usual have a lot to do with your facial concerns too.
I thought I'd quickly explain how I use it in case it's helpful...
I spend a few minutes on the ion+ feature with a water based cleanser occasionally, just because it is recommended to do so, set on full with ultrasound and either red or green light. I focus on the central part of my face and slowly slide the head towards my ears, and occasionally down my neck to the collarbone (just like in tanaka).
Then I wash my face, apply a water based serum (home-made so I know I'm not pushing any rubbish into my skin), set it to full ultrasound, ion - and red or green.
I first start at clearing under my chin, massaging out under the jaw line in slow steady movements.
Circle slowly under the chin, slide under jaw out towards the ear, and down the side of my neck to collarbone. I keep a little cup with water handy to dip my free fingers in to keep my gel and serum really wet for slide and conductivity.
There is concerns about going over the thyroid, so I avoid that area entirely (please look that up if you're unsure), but do some slow sweeps over my upper neck and the sides.
I move up over the chin under the lips moving out towards the ears, and do the similar move as in tanaka around the mouth to erase nasolabial lines - move it from the chin around the lips to under the nose, and repeat slowly a few times.
I work in stripes from the lips and above, nose, pulling the ultrasound head firmly out and up towards my temples.
I do some slow circular movements over my areas of concern, and draw those circular movements out and up, all the while using a firm steady pressure, enough that my muscles are receiving a good massage.
I work slowly anti-clockwise around my eye, being sure to keep the head in contact with my skin (obviously you do your best working up the curve of the nose). Starting at the lower outer eye upper cheekbone area, I slowly bring the head towards the inner eye over the under eye, slide it up the side of my nose and out over the brow, pushing gently up and out over the outer brow. I do this probably ten times each eye.
The forehead I just work in slow upward strokes.
I'm not making any recommendations here, just sharing what I have been doing, which is a combo of muscle relaxation techniques, lifting, and lymph drainage.
Anybody else got some techniques that are working for them? |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:56 pm |
HI,
I've just read through this whole thread - can anyone who has been using these devices come back on and tell us what the results are months later?
I'm really interested!!
I've also been looking at Ebay but also Jenu which is a new ultrasound product. It's expensive!
Is everyone still feeling positive about using these ultrasound devices? Can't wait to hear! |
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Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:39 am |
Please read this before purchasing/using the Ultra Renew Plus by Truth in Aging (TIA).
I have purchased the Ultra Renew Plus directly from TIA about a month ago, but have used it last week for the first time (actually the second time but the very first time was a trial session to understand how to operate it).
I have used it in the Ultrasonic mode only at maximum strength for one full session (made of 2 consecutive sessions of 15 minutes each). For conductivity I have used water - wet cotton balls over my face prior to sliding the device. I have operated the device as per the enclosed instructions. Immediately after the session I started noticing something wrong, but the full scale of the damage was only visible the next day. Below is a summary of the horrific results after only ONE session of 30 mins:
1. On the left side of the face there is now a thin but hardened and elevated line parallel to the nasolabial fold. It looks similar to a hypertrophic scar.
2. On the right side of the face there are 2 thin indentations - they look like small wrinkles or scars after the healing of thin cuts. There are also small thin wrinkles near where the nasolabial fold meets my nose.
3. On my forehead there is another hardened and elevated line parallel to my furrows between eyebrows. It is actually slightly angled as it appears on the right side of the forehead and I have used my left hand to guide the device.
4. I have lost cheek fat on both sides of the face, but most prominently on the right side - I can notice this very easily as I used to apply blush on the more elevated side of the cheek and this has now disappeared!
Needless to say I am desperate! I have contacted their customer service the very next day and they unceremoniously told me that I should go and see my doctor (!) as they have never heard of this before. I asked my concerns to be forwarded to Marta and for them to research these issues, speak to the manufacturer and get back to me - haven't heard anything since.
I am absolutely sure that they are aware of side effects; for once, I have seen people complaining on the TIA forum of lost fat volume and Marta replying that ultrasonic cannot do that. However, it is common knowledge that liposuction treatment is performed with ultrasonic devices and that ultrasound is used to remove fat. The all-knowing Marta couldn't have missed that!
Moreover, it is clear that they are swiping problems under the carpet - they should have spoken to me immediately to understand how I have used the device, investigate the circumstances under which it can create these issues, speak to the manufacturer, speak to a dermatologist etc. to reassure me and ensure that other customers don't end up with damaged skin - however none of those things happened in my case. So - BE WARNED.
I would like to know the following from the EDS members:
- Has any of you experienced similar side effects after using the Ultra Renew/Ultra Renew Plus or do you know anyone who has?
- If you have, what did you do/what do you advise to do to resolve them?
- Please post any other side effects to the forum to make people aware of the fact that this device is not actually safe.
Many thanks |
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Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:02 am |
Oh, no! That sounds terrible! Please keep us posted. |
_________________ 65 Caucasion, history of acne, sagging, some wrinkling, rough texture. Using Dermawand, AALS, Microderm Machine,Copper Peptides |
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Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:34 am |
Alabamagirl wrote
Hi Trigger,
I'm trying to combat sagging and a few wrinkles like your DH. Bet he loved the treatment! Smile
I was surprised you used it 30 minutes at a time. Did you do 15 mins in ion+ for cleansing and then switched to ion- for product penetration? I just do the product penetration since I feel like I get good cleansing from the clarisonic.
I do the lymph drainage also, even though I don't have fluid retention issues.
All in all, it was a great price and I do believe it is beneficial for my skin.
I have just purchased the Ultra renew plus
I was confused to which i would use the setting for penetration of products, so I queried this with Marta which she replied
Ion+ for product penetration, I have seen a few posts where it has been wrote Ion- for product penetration, so I am still confused,
has anyone used both methods for product penetration and what is the results
Thanks |
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Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:12 am |
bluebell wrote: |
Alabamagirl wrote
Hi Trigger,
I'm trying to combat sagging and a few wrinkles like your DH. Bet he loved the treatment! Smile
I was surprised you used it 30 minutes at a time. Did you do 15 mins in ion+ for cleansing and then switched to ion- for product penetration? I just do the product penetration since I feel like I get good cleansing from the clarisonic.
I do the lymph drainage also, even though I don't have fluid retention issues.
All in all, it was a great price and I do believe it is beneficial for my skin.
I have just purchased the Ultra renew plus
I was confused to which i would use the setting for penetration of products, so I queried this with Marta which she replied
Ion+ for product penetration, I have seen a few posts where it has been wrote Ion- for product penetration, so I am still confused,
has anyone used both methods for product penetration and what is the results
Thanks |
Below is a diagram for the Sqoom/Merbe/Fyola...look at the ion designation right next to the head of the device.
Based on this, + is for cleansing and - is for penetration.
Here is a description from the Galvanic spa documentation:
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How does the Galvanic Spa System II work?
The Galvanic Spa facial treatment works in two steps: Galvanic Spa Pre-Treatment Facial Gel and Galvanic Spa Treatment Facial Gel. During the first step, both the Pre-Treatment Gel and the Galvanic Instrument are negatively charged. Since like charges repel each other, the negative charge of the Galvanic Instrument repels or pushes the Pre-Treatment Gel into the skin. The Pre-Treatment Gel contains ingredients that soothe, calm, and purify the skin. The purifying ingredients bind with impurities in the skin causing them to have a negative charge.
During the second step, both the Treatment Gel and the Galvanic Instrument are positively charged. These positive charges repel each other, helping deliver the Treatment Gel into the skin. The Treatment Gel contains ingredients that help the skin recover from stress and promote cellular energy. The positively charged galvanic instrument also attracts the remaining negatively charged impurities from the pre-treat cycle, drawing them out of the skin to give your skin a fresher, more vibrant look.
The charges interact in a similar way with the active ingredients in all Galvanic Spa products.
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Here is another one that says + for cleaning and - for penetration.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pro-Mini-Portable-Galvanic-Positive-Ion-Negative-Ion-Face-Lifting-Beauty-Device-/181160997356
basically + pulls things out, and - pushes things in. I would double check with Marta, and also check the documentation that should have come with your device. |
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Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:00 am |
thanks for this Bethany this is more understanding for me, I will be using the ION-
from now on for product penetration, and I shall certainly get back to Marta on this one |
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Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:16 am |
I have had a reply from TIA customer service,they say while there is not enough evidence to indicate whether Ion/+ or Ion/- is intended for product penetration, the overwhelming majority of the research they have found indicates it is Ion/+ that is more beneficial for product penetration, as it is the Ultra renew plus that I have purchased from them, I will go on there suggestion for now, and see how my skin develops under these conditions |
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Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:45 am |
bluebell wrote: |
I have had a reply from TIA customer service,they say while there is not enough evidence to indicate whether Ion/+ or Ion/- is intended for product penetration, the overwhelming majority of the research they have found indicates it is Ion/+ that is more beneficial for product penetration, as it is the Ultra renew plus that I have purchased from them, I will go on there suggestion for now, and see how my skin develops under these conditions |
To be truthful, I don't think they know what they are talking about. A number of studies have been done on the Galvanic Spa, the Fyola, and the sqoom (both medical and cosmetic purposes). Plus all the studies related to transmission of drugs via the skin surface.
Did your device come with any documentation? If not, I would look for the instructions for the same device without the TIA label...I am pretty sure people found it for sale on eBay. |
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Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:00 am |
Hi Bethany I do have the instruction as follows
Ionic Mode
there are two Ionic settings Ions+ and Ions-the Ion+ is for deep cleansing and firming and the Ion- is for hyperpigmentation. they cannot be used at the same time however they can be used simultaneously with the other modes.
Ions+ for cleaning and contouring/firming.
1. you may use Ions+ on its own or with the Ultrasonic modes.
See operating Instructions for how to use the two modes together, read on for single mode
2. Remove makeup and a apply a water based cleanser, or apply or apply a water based Gel if you want to use this mode for firming only
3.with your Ultra renew Plus switched on, press Mode repeatedly to select Ions+ in the display
4. press shift to choose intensity
5.press CFM to start session
6.Move across the face 9n upwards movements
Ion- for hyperpigmentation
1. you may use Ion- on it's own or with the green LED mode
2.remove makeup and apply water based gel/serum
(typically the gel/serum should be applied more thickly than for the ultrasonic mode in order to be comfortable. some people find Ions-feels prickly unless a thick coating of water based Gel is used
3. with your Ultra Renew Plus switched on, press Mode repeatedly to select the Ion- in the display.
4. press shift to choose intensity.
5.Press CFM to start your session.
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I have seen another device on Ebay that looks exactly like this one but a lot, lot, cheaper about $100 cheaper in fact. if so this is daylight robbery to me. and this other device had a lot better instructions, and to me it is reading the Ions- is for product penetration, also from the image I could see there was DVD with it |
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