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Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:58 pm  |
Okay. Which one should I get? Vivier or CS Rx vit c? I've been using water based vit c's and they do oxidize too quickly.
What do the vivier and CS Rx smell like? I'm a bit concerned about them having a chemical type smell b/c of the base they are in. Do they?
Also do I really need a separate one for the eye area or can I just get a 10% one and use it on both my face and eye area?
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Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:09 pm |
| Lily, this topic freaked me out for 2 weeks. I didnt even know if I need vitamin c but it seems the in thing. I caved in yesterday and ordered vivier 20 and the vivier eye serum. Not sure if it was the right thing to do, but its stopped the nagging feeling in my head.... |
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Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:13 pm |
Yeah, but not the nagging from me eh?  |
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Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:22 pm |
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Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:48 pm |
| I have not used the Vivier but others can speak to that. The CSRx C+ serum does not have any fragrance to speak of...I have not noticed any distinctive chemical smell either. I have a fairly sensitive nose so think would have noticed it after using for 8-9 mos. now. Also, have never had a bottle "turn" on me either. Each one lasts about 2-3 mos. Great stuff! |
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Mabsy
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Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:56 pm |
There's not much difference in terms of smell or stability between the Vivier or the CSRx. I only had a sample of the CSRx but based on what Betterat40 says they seem to last about the same as the Vivier ones do.
The only difference for me was the amount of slip (aka "the oily feeling"). CSRx felt too oily for me although I must point out that it *feels* like that but is not actually oily. Someone called it "slip" so let's just say that the Vivier has more slip than Cellex-C and Skinceuticals and the CSRx has more slip than the Vivier.
Whether you get a separate serum for your eye area is up to you. If your eye area is not sensitive and can handle higher concentrations then you should have no problems. |
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Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:37 pm |
I use the V serum - I think it has a wonderful orange-blossomy kind of scent...my sister LOVES the scent - she finds it almost therapeutic...
Pudoodles |
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Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:23 pm |
Lily, what is your skin type? Currently, I'm using the Vivier 20 and like it during winter time. I have oily skin, but it becomes dry during the winter. I found the Vivier to be oily for my skin last summer. So this summer, I plan to switch to CellX or Skinceuticals. Hope I didn't confuse you more  |
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Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:46 pm |
I have used both Vivier and SC, I like SC better since I have combo skin, SC's C+E is just right for me now, it's still cold here in Boston, but SC serum 20 will be perfect for summer. I tend to like more watery vitC serum, because I LOVE the freedom of LAYERING, e.g, my hydrating fluid and sunscreen. I also used it around my eye area with no problem.
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Sat Feb 19, 2005 11:03 am |
That is all great feedback. Thank you, 
I'm STILL undecided as to which one to get. The price is right on the CS Rx but I don't really like the fact that it has more 'slip' than the others. My skin is combo- pretty normal and dry at this time of year if the weather is on the colder side. I'm tempted to try the SC one but the price is holding me back.  |
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Sat Feb 19, 2005 11:22 am |
| I am using the CS RX 12 and I love it. I have nothing to compare it to. Years ago I used Cellex C and I was told my skin got dehydrated. The slip we are talking about goes away after a few minutes. It spreads which I like (so a little goes a long way). What I like most is the price. I will try a 20% on my next purchase. If I don't see a boost in improvement I will stick to CS RX. |
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Sun Feb 20, 2005 1:35 pm |
Thanks everyone.
I'm now deciding between Vivier 20 and the SC C and E.
Aack! There are too many choices! Has anyone used just C and also C and E and can you tell me why you liked one better than the other? |
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Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:15 pm |
Lily, I feel your pain, I struggled for 2 weeks before I made a decision and went for the Vivier 20, Ive just checked to see if its been despatched the order is no longer showing on my account so I will have to check if its been cancelled. If it has, Is this a sign it was not meant to be ???  |
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:13 am |
Hi Lilly,
I have used SC vitC 15%, C+E, vivier 10%. I defnitely like SC better than Vivier, bc I read somewhere that Vivier is has silicon in it, so the VitC stays stable longer than SC, SC is water-based, that's why Vivier is more emollient than SC. So you can choose based on your skin type. I have combo skin, I got a few white bumps, some turned into pimples when I use Vivier, probably the silicon clogged my pores.
I like both SC just C and C+E. C+E is a little thicker, that's bc of the E, but the stickiness goes away after a few minutes. C+E actually provide better protection for your skin. Even though that's a nice idea, I will stick with the clean watery SC 20 for the summer, and I can EASILY use a cream(which has VitE in it) on top of my serum, et voila, C+E. Tons of skincare cream has VitE or even sunscreens has it. So I am gonna stick with the plain C and improvise....on the layering.
I am also making my vitC serum, how easy can it get ??????
hope this helps you in your selection, choosing a vitamin C gives me headache, so PLEASE don"t tell me there are more coming out....or wait untill my headache is gone.....
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:07 am |
| I'm actually the other way around, I prefer Vivier serums to SC serums. They're more stable and don't feel as drying. I have combo/normal skin and have not had any problems. I agree with Diderot on the differences between the SC C and the SC C+E. The C+E is a bit stickier but it does go away quickly. |
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:57 am |
| I'll save my input for when I get my grubby mitts on the product.... |
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:28 am |
| Thanks for asking this question! I'm still trying to decide which one too... |
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:13 am |
Regarding stablility...
for those of you who have used the SC vit C how long before you notice it 'turning'?
Also can anyone list the ingredients of the vivier vit c so I can check if it does have silicon in it? I don't really like the feel of silicon on my face. Sigh....I'm still undecided.... |
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:55 am |
| Funny thing about all this stability stuff-I bought cellex-c even after all the talk about it "turning". I wanted to try the "original" although I liked SC and found vivier too slippery and didn't care for the smell. I used the cellex-c for a month and had to stop for a week. When I went back to open it , I noticed I hadn't closed it properly (although it was still in the box). The outside was crusty. I was afraid it was finished and figured on dark orange. Guess what? I opened it and it was still pale clear liquid. I'm on my third month and its clearer than SC ever was at this stage. For reference, it's the 17.5% I bought from EDS. Go figure. |
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:11 am |
marina:
And listen to this....
A couple of months ago (8 weeks to be exact) I bought a combo set of the cellex C and the cellex C B5 gel. I didn't need the vit c at the time but it was a better deal than buying them separately. I just opened the cellex C vit c one 2 days ago to use up while I'm deciding to go SC or vivier and it is totally orange!!!! And it had been stored in a cool place and never opened!!!  It is also the 17.5%. It is so orange I don't want to even use it on my face. |
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:19 am |
| It's enough to make me chuck all serums and use skinmedica-unfortunately I'm afraid it would be too greasy and samples never seem to be available. Weird. I'm afraid my next Cellex-c (if I order) will be orange before I open it. But you have to admit it's strange. I mean, the bottle was partially open with a crusted rim and hadn't changes color. |
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:59 pm |
that's very odd. same product, brand, one clear and the other orange...eeek. cindi is going to go crazy!
The Cellular Skin Rx brand (C+ Firming serum) is not "aqueous" -no water - so no worries about 'turning'....I'm so glad that I like this one....You guys are making ME crazy trying to decide which brand to use. Good luck! |
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 2:17 pm |
[quote="betterat40"]that's very odd. same product, brand, one clear and the other orange...eeek. cindi is going to go crazy!
AAAaaaaaarrrrrgggggghhhhhh   |
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:07 pm |
calm down Cindi-I'll walk u thru this-we'll join a support group if we have to. You see, I too have gone Vit c gaga. Here's what I've learned so far-it all depends on your skin type.
Cellex-c: either remarkably stable or unstable upon opening, but contains tyrosine which is apprently good. I'll probably won't buy it again because.... see below
Skinceuticals C (20%) great stuff especially for oily skin-disappears like water and now that enabler Winny got me into Alpha-Derma I need something that dosen't add an extra layer.Stability-well O.K. for 3 months (I get to finish it)
C&E -even better but probably too much for summer (don't forget the derma thing).
Vivier-great stuff but too oily feeling and I couldn't get used to the smell.
Cellular Skin Rx-I would've gotten this one if someone hadn't mentionned it's oilier-feeling than Vivier, plus I try to avoid ordering from the states (exchange rate, customs, takes forever)
Skinmedica-this one would be ideal if skin is dry and can take silicones. I've always wanted a sample but EDS never has one
No worries about stability here.
Just more stuff to chew on |
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:16 pm |
Marina, aint it a chore. Honestly, you would think it simple.  My skin type is normal really. Not oily not dry, little congestion on nose, who hasnt, I seem to be able to get away with anything. Im also using the JB prep and alphaderma - does the alphaderma remind you of buttery toffee, thats how it smells to me.  I decided to go for the Vivier 20 and the eye serum, order failed, a sign from god??? I since got samples of Dermalogics Skin Boosters, skin firming and skin renewal. Will these do the same job as vit C. I reckon they just might so need to study these when I have a bit of peace - which is never...... Could you have a look sometime and see if they compare..... |
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