Best Facial Exercise Program for Under Eyes?
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free skin care · Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:10 pm

Hi,

I started Ageless in October, did it on and off with no visible results, until January when I decided to do the 30 day Bootcamp. I went through days when I was really scared my main concern (naso-jugal ridge, lipoatrophy) was getting worse. but I pushed through. I since continued with the regular program, 4 days a week, plus dry brushing every night.
I can definitely see an improvement in my cheeks - while not all the way plump, they seem to be getting better and the ridge is not as pronounced.

Nevertheless, I haven't seen any improvement in my eyes. I did take photos before I started the bootcamp. As a matter of fact, I feel the area around my eyes is getting worse - or maybe it's not catching up with the cheeks. The area around the eyes looks more hollow, the skin around them is thinner, crepey, with lots of fine lines which were not there before I started; dark, reddish circles are worse, I have a more pronounced under-eye bag below my left eye than below my right... I've also started noticing some purple veins underneath the skin around the eyes which were not there before I started the bootcamp.

For the past couple of weeks I did the Detox Box (eliminating all allergens, eating cleaner) as a step towards healthier living in the new year and in hopes to pin point any allergies/liver toxicity... no luck. I wasn't eating poorly to begin with, had fresh fruit and greens smoothies daily, EFAs... But the skin around my eyes never changed for the better.

So, here's my call for help. I am only 28, but I look like I haven't slept in weeks, drugged/sick when I don't wear make-up - and the make-up only makes the fine lines worse, but does not cover the dark circles and hollowness. I dread looking in the mirror. I don't want to try fillers and I don't think eye creams will help (although if you have any recommendations to keep the area moist and hydrated, I'd welcome them), so I hope there is another facial exercise program that will help plump up the eye area. Maybe the Hot Spots? I have them, just haven't tried them yet.

Thank you!

free skin care · Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:49 pm

fitgineer I apologize in advance because my answer may not be what you are hoping to hear but it is the truth.

I do not think there's any correct answer to "Which is the Best Face Exercise Program for...?" The answers you get will be biased because people tend to favor the programs they do, which is why they do them. And that does not mean they are right that the program that worked for them is the one that will work for you, otherwise why would there be so many differences of opinion.

Also creating a poll can give askewed answers because there could be a greater number of people doing one program more than another or more of one program may see your poll and respond so that you end up getting results based on who answered rather that which program is best.

Another thing is not everyone has tried all programs to be able to give you a summary and hence a fair comparison and even if they did their answer again may depend on what it is they did before that may have laid a foundation for the program that finally helped them.

Sadly, this is one of those things where you just need to ask what results people had had with their programs (and maybe contact Loulou at Ageless and explain where the program didn't quite meet your needs--it could be she could tweak it to solve your problem) and see whether anyone had what you have and found success fixing it. Then you can use make an informed guess on what other program to try. Sometimes it takes trial and error to find the solution; sometimes it takes reaching out to the author of the program you are doing to get direction; sometimes it could just be you need to give the program you are doing a little more time. Of course if things are getting worse, then you'd be crazy to keep doing the same thing; but if not, maybe your muscles just take longer to respond?

I really think that whatever program you do, you need to keep in touch with the author of the program and not try to muddle through the workout when things aren't working out. It could just be that they have the answer to your problem. If not, then it's wise to look elsewhere. The minute you notice something amiss, stop and ask questions.

Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:28 am

Tanaka massage seems to do a good job of removing the fine lines under my eyes. It only takes about five minutes and you can see immediate results. Yamuna face rolling seems to enhance the effect of Tanaka. I have done Ageless and Flex Effect off and on for the last several years and appreciate the effect, but I have noticed the fine wrinkles under my eyes recently. They seem to disappear when I slack off the facial exercises and just do the massages. Hope that helps:)

free skin care · Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:29 am

Frognkisses thank you for mentioning Yumana. I love that too. You know I don't see why it can't be combined with anything - whether Tanaka or Facial Exercises for sure. To me they both compliment each other nicely. Sounds like you got the book free that we all had to pay for (lucky you). I've not done the eyeball lid part yet so interested in your experiences when you try that out!

Fitgineer I would also suggest you contact Loulou or Steve and get specific advice from them if you are using their program. For me personally I don’t follow one program specifically because I’ve done this for a very long time now, and so my face is well known to me and I like to hit it from several different tactics, so I tend to blend many things together and you will read many people do the same and so that might be something you want to consider doing in future, but for now as you are only 28 I think sticking with one program now is a good idea but getting custom help is probably going to help you deal with this.

Also another thing to think about is that each program is designed by someone who has a particular kind of face. So for example Carole Maggio has to me a very feminine looking face, and wants to keep it and enhance aspects like her cheeks, eyes, lips etc. Cythnia Rowland has also a very feminine looking face but its also one which is kind of chubby so she wants to ehance it and slim it down in parts (actually out of all theprograms I own I think my own face is closest to Cynthias and that’s probably why a lot of the Facial Magic stuff is stuff I do regularly). Also I remember reading somewhere that different programs have different results because they go after specialised muscles, so depending on the program creators viewpoints, they work some muscles harder than others or don’t work muscles or work them less frequently. All of those are valid points to think about in my opinion.

Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:47 am

Here's another thread that might be helpful:

best under eye exercises?
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=44119

free skin care · Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:35 pm

Speaking on behalf of ALL facial training, I don't believe anyone can do any better than facial training his or her eyes. Regardless of the program if eye training is involved it's a must! All authors of training programs are one in the knowledge that building the eyelids and surrounding area is paramount in keeping youthful looking eyes. How one goes about such training is a personal call...but again, the advantages of such training is crazy off the chart beneficial. Train On!

free skin care · Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:00 am

Deb great to see you. I wonder if I might ask you a question (you seem to frequent here than the forum for FlexEffect so I hope you don't mind me asking). Is there anything you have found that makes people's eyes less responsive to training? I mean are there any obvious factors that make some people more successful than others?

Deb Crowley wrote:

Speaking on behalf of ALL facial training, I don't believe anyone can do any better than facial training his or her eyes. Regardless of the program if eye training is involved it's a must! All authors of training programs are one in the knowledge that building the eyelids and surrounding area is paramount in keeping youthful looking eyes. How one goes about such training is a personal call...but again, the advantages of such training is crazy off the chart beneficial. Train On!

free skin care · Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:02 pm

Thank you all for your replies. I have looked at the other threads that Havana posted. I also realize that everyone responds differently to certain facial exercise programs...
I appreciate your advice.
I will attempt to ping Lou Lou once more. In the past I never got a reply, maybe my questions required too long of an answer.

free skin care · Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:03 pm

TheresaMary wrote:

Deb great to see you. I wonder if I might ask you a question (you seem to frequent here than the forum for FlexEffect so I hope you don't mind me asking). Is there anything you have found that makes people's eyes less responsive to training? I mean are there any obvious factors that make some people more successful than others?

Deb Crowley wrote:

Speaking on behalf of ALL facial training, I don't believe anyone can do any better than facial training his or her eyes. Regardless of the program if eye training is involved it's a must! All authors of training programs are one in the knowledge that building the eyelids and surrounding area is paramount in keeping youthful looking eyes. How one goes about such training is a personal call...but again, the advantages of such training is crazy off the chart beneficial. Train On!

Reposting this as I too am curious about Deb's answer Smile

free skin care · Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:29 am

I hope she comes along soon. I'm glad she visits here for sure! Deb are you out there?

free skin care · Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:49 pm

fitgineer wrote:

TheresaMary wrote:

Deb great to see you. I wonder if I might ask you a question (you seem to frequent here than the forum for FlexEffect so I hope you don't mind me asking). Is there anything you have found that makes people's eyes less responsive to training? I mean are there any obvious factors that make some people more successful than others?

Deb Crowley wrote:

Speaking on behalf of ALL facial training, I don't believe anyone can do any better than facial training his or her eyes. Regardless of the program if eye training is involved it's a must! All authors of training programs are one in the knowledge that building the eyelids and surrounding area is paramount in keeping youthful looking eyes. How one goes about such training is a personal call...but again, the advantages of such training is crazy off the chart beneficial. Train On!

Reposting this as I too am curious about Deb's answer Smile

Everyone’s eyes have their own story. Some people have all their ducks in a row; some people have health-issues that can play into eyes responding less than favorable. The bottom line is TRAIN ANYWAY. You’ll know soon enough how to train in a way that works for you. If you have had a bad response to under eye training… know it is NOT permanent… If you haven’t actually tore the skin off the bone, given time the eyes go back to normal (whatever is normal for you).

free skin care · Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:48 am

Perfect thanks Deb that makes a lot of sense. Have you given up the Flexeffect forum? I noticed that you haven't been online for ages. I love the info you are sharing here though (high five girl!)

free skin care · Wed May 01, 2013 10:53 am

TheresaMary wrote:

Perfect thanks Deb that makes a lot of sense. Have you given up the FlexEffect forum? I noticed that you haven't been online for ages. I love the info you are sharing here though (high five girl!)

Hi TM

Its true … I can’t be found in Workshop as often as I used to be. However those who enter WrokShop are fully aware that it is governed by Cert. Trainers including my daughter Claudia. I cannot stress enough just how qualified these trainers are. When I read their responses to queries I am blown away with not only their complete knowledge of FE but also what they personally bring to the table; far surpassing me in areas I know very little about.

Since my last book (3rd edition) I have been busy dealing with back office and PR. When you see me here it has to do with a thread that was started that involves FE in one-way or another. I subscribe to what is called Google Alert. It lets you know when and where your program is being discussed. And, lets face it sometimes what is being said is somewhat slanted or even damaging. All authors of training programs do the same… he/she will either come in as the author or have a proxy do it for them.

When I first launched on the Internet (97) there were only a couple of us. Carole Maggio, and myself…not that there weren’t other programs on the market… just speaking Internet. At that time our main job was to prove training works. Today it’s whose works better. Rolling Eyes

It used to be a piece of cake spending all my time on my forum but as soon as facial training exploded on the net, I knew I needed qualified trainers to step in. BTW FlexEffect is the only facial training program that even offers a forum. I truly believe the reason for this is …over the years my competitors saw just how dangerous having a forum can be (hecklers, and those who have an agenda etc.). It can be exhausting.

Anywhoo… that’s why you’ll see me here and not as much as some would like on my forum. What’s important is that FE does offer a private training workshop… fully staffed.

Wed May 15, 2013 1:03 pm

fitgineer wrote:

Hi,
...The area around the eyes looks more hollow, the skin around them is thinner, crepey, with lots of fine lines which were not there before I started; dark, reddish circles are worse, I have a more pronounced under-eye bag below my left eye than below my right... I've also started noticing some purple veins underneath the skin around the eyes which were not there before I started the bootcamp.

Thank you!

Hi fitgineer,

So how are your eyes looking today? Did they go back to normal? Is bootcamp the name of some sort of eye training?

When I read your description of how your eyes looked, I swear you were describing my eyes during my yearly allergy attacks. My eyes can look like that for weeks. The only missing words for describing my eyes are runny, watery, and itchy. Just plain miserable!

I hope all has worked-out for you Smile

Wed May 29, 2013 11:58 am

I started flexeffect a few months ago and am very excited with the improvements in my eyes. I bought the program solely for my eyes. I really believe a lot of my improvements are due to changes in my diet, something that is covered extensively in workshop by Sean one of the trainers. It's amazing how just getting enough sleep can make an amazing difference. I know nothing of the other exercise programs but I do know flexeffect is considered to have the most rigorous training for the eyes. I’m betting most of the people complaining about exercises damaging their eyes may too need some diet or health changes. Without matching your effort in training with your health i.e. victims, minerals, nutrition, SLEEP, I can see how any physical training beyond the norm might prove counter productive.

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