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Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:15 pm  |
| aprile wrote: |
Keliu,
I know you don't live in the U.S., but the pharmaceutical industry and the FDA would love nothing more than to take away our supplements. In fact, they've launching more and more "pharamceutical" supplements and would love to own the entire piece of the pie. Make no mistake about it, the New York Times and other mainstream media outlets skew the truth all the time. They want to keep us dumbed down, sick and dependent upon doctors with prescription pads in hand. IF our food sources were perfect, and our water was clean and safe and our world wasn't overly poluted then NO we would not need any supplements at all. But, sadly that's not the case. ~ Aprile |
No, I don't live in the US - and I believe that is why I often have a completely different viewpoint on health than many of those that do. I'm going to make some very generalised statements - but I think they're pertinent. In Australia, in general, we trust our doctors - we certainly don't see them as there just to make a quick buck out of us. I think this difference is mainly due to the fact that we have a health care system - America has none. If my doctor writes me out a prescription, I simply go to the pharmacy and get it filled - no insurance company intervenes and tells me I can't have it. In addition, many of our medications are subsidised by the government so we get them at a much cheaper price than in the US. So we don't see the pharmaceutical companies as "Enemy No. 1".
Also, with regard to "alternative" practices such as acupuncture or Bowen Therapy or whatever, we can claim for them via our health system - so we don't really see them as being necessarily "alternative".
If my doctor tells me I need an operation, I get it done - and then apply to our health care body to get the necessary refund (although that is slowly getting eaten into, but that's another issue). When I saw my ENT specialist re having a sinus op he told me that he'd been working in the states and that if he told one of his patients that they needed an op, they would go and get a second, third, fourth opinion from other doctors - they were so mistrusting. That (generally) doesn't happen here.
With regard to supplements - the intake of those must be growing here because our pharmacies and supermarket shelves are bulging with them. There's a vitamin for everything you can think of. But there is constantly talk on our chat shows and news that they are unnecessary. Nutritionists and all current research state that if you eat a well-rounded diet, they are useless. In fact, every bottle here carries a "warning" stating that if your diet is adequate vitamin intake is unnecessary.
Also, the belief that our food is no longer good or nutritious for us is nonsense. Read some history and you will discover that we now have an abundant supply of healthy food at our disposal (note I'm referring to first world countries here - much of the third world's population is still under duress). The problem with America's poor diet is simply a matter of choice. I saw the Jamie Oliver programme where he was lecturing in schools. There were children who had never laid eyes on a tomato and who were given pizza for breakfast.
This statement will be like waving a red flag but ..... None of my friends or my daughters' friends are as obsessed with health concerns as many of you here. You all seem to be doing the most wacko things and taking extraordinary amounts of supplements just to to make it through the day. I admit - I don't get it! And I think it's because I'm coming from a totally different perspective on everything. It seems to me that everyone in the US is looking for a conspiracy theory and the belief that the government bodies just want to keep the population sick just appears insane to me.
ETA: Just another little story to demonstrate a difference in attitudes - I had just had a hysterectomy and sitting at home on the couch watching TV - watching Oprah. Unbelievably the subject of the programme was "how women should deal with the trauma of having a hysterectomy". Women in the audience were standing up and telling their stories - all crying and carrying on like it was the end of the world. One woman said she didn't even feel like a woman anymore - and she was past child bearing age and had already had children. I thought they were all mad - because I lay there celebrating! Never again would I have to buy a packet of tampons, never again would I have to go through all that monthly hassle - I was free!!! |
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Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:57 am |
| Keliu wrote: |
| aprile wrote: |
Keliu,
I know you don't live in the U.S., but the pharmaceutical industry and the FDA would love nothing more than to take away our supplements. In fact, they've launching more and more "pharamceutical" supplements and would love to own the entire piece of the pie. Make no mistake about it, the New York Times and other mainstream media outlets skew the truth all the time. They want to keep us dumbed down, sick and dependent upon doctors with prescription pads in hand. IF our food sources were perfect, and our water was clean and safe and our world wasn't overly poluted then NO we would not need any supplements at all. But, sadly that's not the case. ~ Aprile |
No, I don't live in the US - and I believe that is why I often have a completely different viewpoint on health than many of those that do. I'm going to make some very generalised statements - but I think they're pertinent. In Australia, in general, we trust our doctors - we certainly don't see them as there just to make a quick buck out of us. I think this difference is mainly due to the fact that we have a health care system - America has none. If my doctor writes me out a prescription, I simply go to the pharmacy and get it filled - no insurance company intervenes and tells me I can't have it. In addition, many of our medications are subsidised by the government so we get them at a much cheaper price than in the US. So we don't see the pharmaceutical companies as "Enemy No. 1".
Also, with regard to "alternative" practices such as acupuncture or Bowen Therapy or whatever, we can claim for them via our health system - so we don't really see them as being necessarily "alternative".
If my doctor tells me I need an operation, I get it done - and then apply to our health care body to get the necessary refund (although that is slowly getting eaten into, but that's another issue). When I saw my ENT specialist re having a sinus op he told me that he'd been working in the states and that if he told one of his patients that they needed an op, they would go and get a second, third, fourth opinion from other doctors - they were so mistrusting. That (generally) doesn't happen here.
With regard to supplements - the intake of those must be growing here because our pharmacies and supermarket shelves are bulging with them. There's a vitamin for everything you can think of. But there is constantly talk on our chat shows and news that they are unnecessary. Nutritionists and all current research state that if you eat a well-rounded diet, they are useless. In fact, every bottle here carries a "warning" stating that if your diet is adequate vitamin intake is unnecessary.
Also, the belief that our food is no longer good or nutritious for us is nonsense. Read some history and you will discover that we now have an abundant supply of healthy food at our disposal (note I'm referring to first world countries here - much of the third world's population is still under duress). The problem with America's poor diet is simply a matter of choice. I saw the Jamie Oliver programme where he was lecturing in schools. There were children who had never laid eyes on a tomato and who were given pizza for breakfast.
This statement will be like waving a red flag but ..... None of my friends or my daughters' friends are as obsessed with health concerns as many of you here. You all seem to be doing the most wacko things and taking extraordinary amounts of supplements just to to make it through the day. I admit - I don't get it! And I think it's because I'm coming from a totally different perspective on everything. It seems to me that everyone in the US is looking for a conspiracy theory and the belief that the government bodies just want to keep the population sick just appears insane to me.
ETA: Just another little story to demonstrate a difference in attitudes - I had just had a hysterectomy and sitting at home on the couch watching TV - watching Oprah. Unbelievably the subject of the programme was "how women should deal with the trauma of having a hysterectomy". Women in the audience were standing up and telling their stories - all crying and carrying on like it was the end of the world. One woman said she didn't even feel like a woman anymore - and she was past child bearing age and had already had children. I thought they were all mad - because I lay there celebrating! Never again would I have to buy a packet of tampons, never again would I have to go through all that monthly hassle - I was free!!! |
Keliu,
As you prefaced your comments that you don't live in the USA, I'll cut you a little break here. HOWEVER, you can hardly compare Australia or Europe to the U.S. Also, despite the article(s) by The NY Times or any other mainstream source you post here -- that does not give the true picture of what is *really" going on in our country. Farmers are forced to buy Monsanto GMO seeds if they want subsididy from the government. Many non-subsidized organic farmers are struggling. But worse than that, they cannot maintain the integrity of their crop because perhaps a farm next to them has used the GMO seed, and since seeds polinate...well you know the rest of the story. Then there's the lawsuit where the US Government ruled in favor of Monsanto who ruined farmers businesses. Shall I go on? So you see, it's not just the poor eating habits of Americans that has made us sick. I agree that "most" packaged foods lack proper nutrition and better choices should be made than pizza, Burger King and Mickey D's, but that's just the tip of the iceburg. Most consumers don't even know what the PLU code is for GMO fruits and vegetables. And despite, mainstream media's report that GMOs offer sufficient nutrition and are safe, I beg to differ with them. Btw, as do many alternative doctors who are on the Prop 37 bandwagon to demand all manufacturer's to label their foods.
IMO, anyone living in the U.S. should know the code for GMO produce. Sadly, most don't. So here goes: A conventional banana is #4011, an organic banana with #94011, and genetically modified is #84011. By contrast, in Europe, all GMO packaged and other foods, need to be labelled; it's the law. We are still waiting for a bill to pass to force manufactuers to label packaged goods, while parents (perhaps even your daughter's friends are still feeding their toddlers GMO Cherrios in high chairs). If they are located in the U.S. they are. But, in Europe, they are not because GMOs are pretty much a thing of the past there. It's incredulous that General Mills, the makers of Cherrios would choose to continue to contaminate their cereals this way. So you see, Keliu - it's not as cut and dried as you make it appear. Those of us who *get* it on this forum are not over zealous in our approach to health, we're informed consumerswho want the best for ourselves and our families! I believe ALL AMERICANS deserve better health, yet our mortality rate is 17th in the world... Yeah pretty amazing considering we're supposed to be the greatest nation in the world. I'd say that's a pretty sad dicotomy of what's going on here, and I certainly haven't covered everything. If you want a good source for information on what's *really* going on health-wise in the U.S., this is one source I would suggest you read:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/01/23/united-states-health-ranking.aspx
ETA: Glad you are feeling well and are happy about your decision to have a hysterectomy. But, that does not give you the right to negate the fact that others do struggle emotionally and physically by having the same procedure done. (ref: the Oprah episode.) You act as though the uterus is not important to womanhood, when in fact, it is. Be well, Aprile |
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