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Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:44 pm |
Paula's opinion is just Paula's opinion. Other than working as a makeup artist; I don't believe she has any formal training in cosmetic chemistry.
I do like some of her products and I like that she offers samples to try first.
But she does seem to be someone that has strong opinions on products and it does irk me when she rates a product based solely on the ingredient list.
I have noticed she tends to rate products lowly that she does not have...mineral makeup for example. Also she does not recognize/acknowledge European sunscreen filters not available to her company. Example Mexoryl (L'Oreal has the patent) |
_________________ Canadian with fair skin. 50+ years old sensitive and reactive. |
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Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:23 pm |
Autumn1995 wrote: |
Paula's opinion is just Paula's opinion. Other than working as a makeup artist; I don't believe she has any formal training in cosmetic chemistry.
I do like some of her products and I like that she offers samples to try first.
But she does seem to be someone that has strong opinions on products and it does irk me when she rates a product based solely on the ingredient list.
I have noticed she tends to rate products lowly that she does not have...mineral makeup for example. Also she does not recognize/acknowledge European sunscreen filters not available to her company. Example Mexoryl (L'Oreal has the patent) |
I agree with this 100%. Once someone starts selling products they are no unbiased. That is exactly why I also stopped following Truth In Aging, which I used to love. |
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:37 am |
bethany wrote: |
I agree with this 100%. Once someone starts selling products they are no unbiased. That is exactly why I also stopped following Truth In Aging, which I used to love.
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From what I know,www. smartskincare.com is the only website mostly free of bias, of course, it's still supported by commerce - in that case, articles and information rather than gadgets and topicals.
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:57 am |
bethany wrote: |
I agree with this 100%. Once someone starts selling products they are no unbiased. That is exactly why I also stopped following Truth In Aging, which I used to love. |
bethany,
One good place to get beauty information--especially about ingredients, chemicals, and surgeries--is Google Books: http://books.google.com/
In fact, I found the following books there this month:
http://bit.ly/14OGutI
http://bit.ly/18vbez9
Use WorldCat to find local libraries that carry the book. I have a feeling, though, that you probably already use Google Books |
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:41 am |
VeronicaM wrote: |
bethany wrote: |
I agree with this 100%. Once someone starts selling products they are no unbiased. That is exactly why I also stopped following Truth In Aging, which I used to love. |
bethany,
One good place to get beauty information--especially about ingredients, chemicals, and surgeries--is Google Books: http://books.google.com/
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Use WorldCat to find local libraries that carry the book. I have a feeling, though, that you probably already use Google Books |
You are right....I love Google Books!
Thanks...I will check both of those out.
Any btw, just because Paula may be biased toward her own products, doesn't mean that her products are not good. She has a lot of fans, so if you like them and they are working for you, keep using them! |
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:33 am |
Paula really lost me when she said that the Clarisonic wasn't a worthy product. I saw instantaneous turnaround on my acne problems when I started using this device in 2006. I realized that if I had waited to hear her advice and followed it, I never would have ordered mine. Decided from that point on not to listen to her 100%.
If I had followed her advice, I would have been slathering Benzoyl Peroxide on, which is an oxidant. |
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:16 pm |
bellabambiiina wrote: |
Paula really lost me when she said that the Clarisonic wasn't a worthy product. I saw instantaneous turnaround on my acne problems when I started using this device in 2006. I realized that if I had waited to hear her advice and followed it, I never would have ordered mine. Decided from that point on not to listen to her 100%.
If I had followed her advice, I would have been slathering Benzoyl Peroxide on, which is an oxidant. |
I prefer to read EDS opinions as we have many educated consumers with a lot experience trying a lot of products and we have the opportunity to read results of many skin types and skin issues. Paula is one person with her opinion (not unlike many a dermatologist). If she really thinks you don't need to use a more costly line - why does hers cost more than a drugstore brand?
I agree. I would never use Benzoyl Peroxide. |
_________________ Enjoying dermalogica with my ASG and Pico toner ** Disclosure: I was a participant without remuneration in promotional videos for Ageless Secret Gold and the Neurotris Pico Emmy event. |
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:25 pm |
sister sweets wrote: |
bellabambiiina wrote: |
Paula really lost me when she said that the Clarisonic wasn't a worthy product. I saw instantaneous turnaround on my acne problems when I started using this device in 2006. I realized that if I had waited to hear her advice and followed it, I never would have ordered mine. Decided from that point on not to listen to her 100%.
If I had followed her advice, I would have been slathering Benzoyl Peroxide on, which is an oxidant. |
I prefer to read EDS opinions as we have many educated consumers with a lot experience trying a lot of products and we have the opportunity to read results of many skin types and skin issues. Paula is one person with her opinion (not unlike many a dermatologist). If she really thinks you don't need to use a more costly line - why does hers cost more than a drugstore brand?
I agree. I would never use Benzoyl Peroxide. |
Exactly! But she posits herself as the final authority on beauty issues.
I also disagree on how she seems to embrace procedures such as Botox and what not. I look at those as last ditch efforts, personally.
Then, she goes on to pooh pooh facial exercise. That goes against common sense to me. I'd rather tone my facial muscles to achieve a more youthful appearance rather than pump $$ into procedures which arent even a permanent fix.
Yes, her stuff is quite expensive! Good point. |
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:40 pm |
sister sweets wrote: |
If she really thinks you don't need to use a more costly line - why does hers cost more than a drugstore brand? |
Very good point! |
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:56 pm |
bellabambiiina wrote: |
I also disagree on how she seems to embrace procedures such as Botox and what not. I look at those as last ditch efforts, personally.
Then, she goes on to pooh pooh facial exercise. That goes against common sense to me. I'd rather tone my facial muscles to achieve a more youthful appearance rather than pump $$ into procedures which arent even a permanent fix.
Yes, her stuff is quite expensive! Good point. |
She's overlooking the fact that thousands of people (maybe millions) have "upgraded" the appearance of their faces using facial exercise. This sort of 'evidence' is what is known in science as "empirical evidence". Merriam Webster defines 'empirical' this way:
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This means that the experiences of these thousands of people can be put together and be considered "evidence" that facial exercise does, indeed, work. It also means that the medical community or whoever can put together extensive tests that can disprove the benefits of facial exercises if they so choose, but you don't see any of that happening, do you? Are there "test groups" of people who are set up to prove once and for all that facial exercises either don't work at all or will cause more wrinkles? If there are, I've never heard about them, nor have any of the doctors or whoever that like to say that facial exercise is not beneficial pointed to or linked to any such studies. I suspect that these doctors and even people like Paula don't want facial exercises to work because if they did work, the doctors and makeup moguls and the "cosmetic industry" would be out millions of dollars a year. That's what's really driving these "opinions" of facial exercises. I communicated with one young lady once on another forum who is in the Entertainment Industry. She told me her plastic surgeon told her that "Creams don't work. If creams worked, I'd be out of business." Money is the real driver behind these "opinions" of facial exercises.
The fact that facial exercise is beneficial to maintaining tighter, more "youthful" appearing skin has been empirically proven by thousands (maybe millions) of people.
P.S. If I was going to "go under the knife" or have something injected into my face, it had better be something that lasts a while. 3-18 months of something "working" does not justify the cost and the pain in my book. |
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:48 pm |
AngelaE8654 wrote: |
bellabambiiina wrote: |
I also disagree on how she seems to embrace procedures such as Botox and what not. I look at those as last ditch efforts, personally.
Then, she goes on to pooh pooh facial exercise. That goes against common sense to me. I'd rather tone my facial muscles to achieve a more youthful appearance rather than pump $$ into procedures which arent even a permanent fix.
Yes, her stuff is quite expensive! Good point. |
She's overlooking the fact that thousands of people (maybe millions) have "upgraded" the appearance of their faces using facial exercise. This sort of 'evidence' is what is known in science as "empirical evidence". Merriam Webster defines 'empirical' this way:
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: originating in or based on observation or experience <empirical data>
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: relying on experience or observation alone often without due regard for system and theory |
This means that the experiences of these thousands of people can be put together and be considered "evidence" that facial exercise does, indeed, work. It also means that the medical community or whoever can put together extensive tests that can disprove the benefits of facial exercises if they so choose, but you don't see any of that happening, do you? Are there "test groups" of people who are set up to prove once and for all that facial exercises either don't work at all or will cause more wrinkles? If there are, I've never heard about them, nor have any of the doctors or whoever that like to say that facial exercise is not beneficial pointed to or linked to any such studies. I suspect that these doctors and even people like Paula don't want facial exercises to work because if they did work, the doctors and makeup moguls and the "cosmetic industry" would be out millions of dollars a year. That's what's really driving these "opinions" of facial exercises. I communicated with one young lady once on another forum who is in the Entertainment Industry. She told me her plastic surgeon told her that "Creams don't work. If creams worked, I'd be out of business." Money is the real driver behind these "opinions" of facial exercises.
The fact that facial exercise is beneficial to maintaining tighter, more "youthful" appearing skin has been empirically proven by thousands (maybe millions) of people.
P.S. If I was going to "go under the knife" or have something injected into my face, it had better be something that lasts a while. 3-18 months of something "working" does not justify the cost and the pain in my book. |
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Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:59 pm |
I do have to speak in her defense, though. While I might not always agree with Paula, I do think that she has made important contributions and has helped many people. Also, many of her products are very effective. |
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Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:08 am |
VeronicaM wrote: |
I do have to speak in her defense, though. While I might not always agree with Paula, I do think that she has made important contributions and has helped many people. Also, many of her products are very effective. |
I agree. I liked her Liquid BHA and I do think she's made great contributions. But she does fall short on a lot of issues and that's why I dont actively seek out her opinion as vigorously as I used to. |
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Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:40 am |
bellabambiiina wrote: |
I agree. I liked her Liquid BHA and I do think she's made great contributions. But she does fall short on a lot of issues and that's why I dont actively seek out her opinion as vigorously as I used to. |
Ditto |
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Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:05 pm |
panoslydios wrote: |
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You don't need an eye cream |
Correct.Only quality circulation in the area. |
Well,
what if your eye area is dry?
I know I can't handle any creams with acids or vitamin C in my eye area.
A separate eye cream is best for me.
I'ver tried face creams on/near my eyes and it does not work well for me.
I also find the cheaper eye creams w less ingredients work best- like the Yves Rocher eye cream that costs $10 and is fragrance free,
or else Neostrata Firming eye cream, the one with no acids in it (on sale for $20 often). |
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:04 am |
If your eye area is dry, I would suggest CeraVe cream. It's available in drugstores, is relatively inexpensive (especially compared to those from derms or derm stores), comprised of ingredients supported by science, mild and moisturizing and healing.
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:06 am |
CeraVe is a great all around moisturizing product. |
_________________ Enjoying dermalogica with my ASG and Pico toner ** Disclosure: I was a participant without remuneration in promotional videos for Ageless Secret Gold and the Neurotris Pico Emmy event. |
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:03 pm |
Barefootgirl wrote: |
If anyone knows of one that's been widely known to do those things (lighten, reduce puffiness) would be great to know the name of it...
thanks |
Heheh... see me after class BFG! |
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:31 am |
I will do that! you make me giggle Fawnie, thank you for that....we always need more humor here!
BFG |
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