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Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:30 pm  |
I am very fair and have been doing AHA peels, vit C serum, and retin-a regularly.
Since I work from home office I rarely need to go in the sun for more than a few minutes at a time. I wear hats when the sun angle is high. Consequently I rarely wear sunscreen unless I know I will be exposed for 30+ minutes. I find my skin doesn't react well to most sunscreens so I prefer to avoid them as much as possible.
I wonder how many minutes of sun exposure is realistically safe before sunscreen is absolutely required. |
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Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:59 pm |
| There will be no way to a give an exact answer to this question. It really boils down to how far you wanna take things. Skin damage is cumulative. The unprotected minutes add up. Hats help but rays deflect upwards off of concrete, water. etc. |
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Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:56 pm |
Thanks I did find this chart useful as a basic guideline:
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Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:37 am |
| It's pretty much a given that with as little time your going to be in the sun and wearing a large hat that you are not going to burn. I was referring to UVA rays mainly. The aging rays. |
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Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:18 pm |
Thank you Pandax, this is a issue that has been plaguing me for ages. Having ivory celtic skin, it seems the sun is my worst enemy. Last year I finally tried to get a gentle tan starting at 5 minutes a day and trying to build up. It really aged me more then I expected and a year later with a lot of effort I am just getting over the damage.
I guess my question should be, should I be wearing sunblock every day, even indoors? The reason I haven't is because my skin is already sensitive especially to chemical sunscreens. |
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havana8
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Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:40 am |
| EyesWithoutaface wrote: |
| I guess my question should be, should I be wearing sunblock every day, even indoors? |
According to skin cancer.org:
Anyone over the age of six months should use a sunscreen daily. Even those who work inside are exposed to ultraviolet radiation for brief periods throughout the day, especially if they work near windows, which generally filter out UVB but not UVA rays.
I found this article interesting:
Sunscreen Could Slow Skin Aging, Study Finds
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/03/sunscreen-skin-aging-_n_3380828.html |
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Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:38 pm |
| I don't like wearing sunscreen on my face unless it's used as a primer under foundation. I went to Chinatown and bought a bamboo parasol. They are cheap and tend to break if you aren't careful but look very elegant. I see more and more women using regular umbrellas on sunny days as well. I like my skin to be able to breathe once in a while. Wearing sunscreen indoors is a bit too paranoid for my taste. Even doctors are now saying that it's okay for people to get ten minutes of sun early or late in the day which is good for your health. |
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Mon Aug 25, 2014 7:20 am |
| EyesWithoutaface wrote: |
| I guess my question should be, should I be wearing sunblock every day, even indoors? The reason I haven't is because my skin is already sensitive especially to chemical sunscreens. |
If you want to block the aging rays UVA then, yes, you should be wearing sunscreen when there is any daylight. UVA passes through glass so your not protected by windows. Some light bulbd also give UV rays such as the CF type.
Use a sunscreen with physical blockers only, especially zinc oxide which is a broad spectrum sunscreen and calms irritated skin. Search this board for recommendations on brands.
If you insist on getting daily sun exposure, then at least limit it to your body such as your arms or legs and shield your face and neck from the sun. |
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nsachs
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Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:18 pm |
What about natural sunscreen options:
Mineral Makeup ?
Titanium Dioxide based foundations? Cosmedix has one!! |
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Mon Aug 25, 2014 7:45 pm |
| nsachs wrote: |
What about natural sunscreen options:
Mineral Makeup ?
Titanium Dioxide based foundations? Cosmedix has one!! |
With both of those options, you would never be able to apply enough product to get adequate protection. And Titanium Dioxide does not protect against deeper penetrating rays the way Zinc Oxide does. |
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Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:18 pm |
try krill oil  You are going to see the sunscreen effect in a couple of weeks . I am taking it for 3 years and I wear sunscreen occasionally when i am going to the beach . No melanoma anymore...
I really love this stuff:) |
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Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:55 am |
Thanks for the tips.
After further reading I found a study showing coconut oil has a natural SPF of around 7.
Very low but according to the 1st chart that should buy me around 60 minutes of safe exposure which is far more then I would ever stay in the sun without real sunblock.
My skin loves coconut oil anyways so this is a no brainer I'm going to try it on my arms. |
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Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:28 pm |
One thing stands out on that chart - peppermint oil. I use it straight when I have muscle pain. it is very strong and makes my skin feel sensitive. I can't believe that it helps block the sun when it seems to make me more photosensitive. Same with lemon and orange oil.
I wonder how thick the oils need to be? How often to reapply? |
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Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:34 pm |
| I hate to keep being a party pooper on this thread but your seriously kidding yourself if you think putting coconut oil on your face/body is going to give you optimum protection from both UVA and UVB rays. |
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MarkAmerac
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Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:00 am |
| Pandax12 wrote: |
| I hate to keep being a party pooper on this thread but your seriously kidding yourself if you think putting coconut oil on your face/body is going to give you optimum protection from both UVA and UVB rays. |
Pandax,
I absolutely agree with you, sunscreen will only delay the inevitable... instead of broiling your skin under the sun, you will fry it with that oil mixture...
Regards,
Mark |
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Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:55 pm |
I fell for advice by a popular online Dr., which was to get a few minutes a day of sunlight SOMEWHERE on you body, legs, tummy, etc. for many health benefits. So, for 4 days, I sat outside on the deck, exposing only my legs to sunlight for 10 mins. I put coconut oil on them for a bit of moisture. Now I have horrid white spots on my legs to show for it! No idea why so little sun caused this.
I have protected my skin from the sun for years now, you can bet I won't do that again. I'm betting they won't go away either. 
I Googled images and it is this:
Idiopathic Guttate Hypomelanosis (IGH) |
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Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:31 am |
I have those white spots too, they've been there as long as I can remember. I'm pretty sceptical about sunblock. I worry that in another 10 years we're going to find out that the chemicals are causing more cancer than the sun.
Lately I've been hearing about children being deficient in Vitamin D because they are completely protected from sun exposure. |
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Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:45 am |
I'm 63, and stayed out of the sun for the past 15 years or so. I don't usually use sunscreen except on my face, chest & arms when I know I'll be outside for a while. I know these spots come with age, but I escaped them until now! 
I just don't think sunscreen is the evil villain it's made out to be. |
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Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:34 am |
| I only tend to wear sunscreen on my face/neck there's not much sun to be had in the u.k most of the time anyway, but since using topicals I know how important it is. I think I've damaged my skin so much when younger from not wearing any and putting oil on to try get a tan, which I've never been able to do my skin type is fair so I always used to burn. |
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Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:25 am |
| If you worry about chemicals in your sunscreen, use a physical block like zinc. |
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Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:42 pm |
| EyesWithoutaface wrote: |
Thanks for the tips.
After further reading I found a study showing coconut oil has a natural SPF of around 7.
Very low but according to the 1st chart that should buy me around 60 minutes of safe exposure which is far more then I would ever stay in the sun without real sunblock.
My skin loves coconut oil anyways so this is a no brainer I'm going to try it on my arms. |
This is measuring traditional spf or the UVB rays. Remember back in the '70's when Coppertone offered spf4.
Coconut oil is a great moisturizer for body and hair. I would not relay on it for sun protection; especially UVA. |
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Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:40 pm |
The coconut oil is what I used when I sat outside for those 10 minutes a day for 4 days. I still wound up with those horrid white spots.  |
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Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:28 pm |
EyesWithoutaface,
Dr. Michael Hollick gives you the answer to how long you can stay out in the sun without burning in his book: "The UV Advantage".
He gives the exact range of times that you can be in the sun safely based on:
(1) your skin color
(2) time of year
(3) time of day
(4) latitude
It's a few pages of tables, but it's the most comprehensive scientific data I've seen on it. It's cheap but worthwhile investment to get the book. HTH |
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Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:14 am |
If you're regularly using AHA's and a retinoid, then sunscreen's a must, no matter what. Vitamin C is sun-protective but it's not enough, especially given the other actives you're using.
What take chances? Yes, it's hard to find a sunscreen that suits each person. You have to discover what ingredient(s) annoy your skin then avoid them. My personal favorites tend to be Shiseido. But it does take some trial and error. It is so worth it. |
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Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:44 pm |
Hello guys. Jeez I need to be really blunt here people just do not get it.
Use physical sunscreen such a zinc oxide in concentrations of 20% or over to have adequate protection... Please. You will thank yourself in the long run
Zinc oxide is the most effective sunscreen filter there is. While wearing it sure, some damage is being done but it happens to be a good deal less than what you would have gotten without it.
People you have got to understand that even if you are indoors you will still be bombarded by UVA light due to the fact LIGHT EFLECTS OFF OF SURFACES. If you are in the shade, you are getting slightly less of them, but they are stil hitting you.
Just a few minutes of exposure a day unprotected? Say hello to completely and effortlessly avoidable sun damage to your skin.
Stop checking out oils and other things of that sort that are touted to have spf 7 or whatever. They're useless at blocking UVA rays so you will still be aging at the pace that you would have without it anyway
You need UVA protection.... There is Not going to be a magic pill or oil that replaces this. I know that would be very ideal but, the truth is, taking your skin takes some work that unfortunately we have to deal with but it will be so worth it in the long run guys.....
Zinc oxide is one of the most photostable in sunlight and does not need to be reapplied unless you have sweated or wiped some off.
If you do want to look into internal agents fine, but use them alongside sunscreen daily. Some of these agents that seem extremely promising are Polypodium Leucotomos (aka Heliocare or the cheaper yet same Rhyzocare)
And something else can actually help a lot due to its insanely high lycopene content.... Two tablespoons of tomato paste (not sauce) but paste, is touted to give your body up to 33% extra photo/sun protection. Sure it tastes off for a few seconds but having an odd taste in your mouth for justa minute out of your whole day for a decent amount of more protection? I'll take it
Put it this way "I only get 5 minutes of sun exposure with no sunscreen a day. Let's do math now. 5 x 365 = 1825 minutes of unprotected sun exposure.... that is over 30 hours of sun exposure. That is a ton of damage.
Guys just bite the bullet, accept the fact it may take a little inconvenience to get done, but that you will be so thankful later that you did it |
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