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Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:45 am      Reply with quote
Skin Care Boards has a derminator thread under AntiAging and they talk about one of the derma rolling docs, Dr. Setterfield. He has a course and a couple of books on derma needling.

He recommends using the nasal spray to get the 'slip' on your skin because granulomas were formed in a (very) few people when using a Vitamin C serum. So he changed his recommendation to eliminate using anything but saline before needles.

He thinks that both the cosmetic and medical rolls are necessary to combat aging.

From (not mine) notes taken from the Setterfield course, he recommends:

"2 min 2xweek at first, gradually increasing your tolerance until you reach the goal of 5-10 min per day"

I need to give credit to Fawnie on Skin Care Boards for sharing her notes.

There are so many methods/views/products about derma needling that it is hard for me to pick the best one.

rmc7, are you doing product penetration rolls?

Loved your progress and pictures on owndoc!
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Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:29 pm      Reply with quote
Owndoc site was updated.

Now says 20 units will be available June 10. Maybe I'll order this time around, again though since I am moving at the end of this month, maybe it's best to wait. I definitely want a derminator though!
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:06 pm      Reply with quote
I am definitely getting one. Does anyone know how often you have to replace the needles?
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I 100% plan on buying a Derminator this July, I am convinced it is the best option for electronic at home dermarolling, quick question though, anyone have experience with the MyM device? Yes, it's basically a knock-off Dermapen that can be purchased for as low as $40 and as high as $150. Was just wondering if anyone had anything to say about it, I have read good reviews and sort of bad, most people say it's pretty effective. I was thinking of buying one on Ebay for $40 and just using for now, until I work my way up to the top of the line derminator. Smile
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:57 pm      Reply with quote
I bought one knock-off MyM 2 years ago and it did not have any power at all, though it could move.

I asked for a replacement and the 2nd one was even worse.
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Sat Jun 06, 2015 4:41 am      Reply with quote
Wrinklefree: This is taken from instruction manual of derminator:

The needles will become blunt after a certain time, depending on how often you treat, needling frequency, how large the treated skin areas are, how many times you go over the skin and how tough and thick the skin is (male skin is thicker than female skin). Scar tissue is harder than ordinary skin, facial skin is soft and thin, etc. A cartridge can nearly always be used more than once. When you feel more pain than when the cartridge was new or when the machine has trouble keeping proper needling depth, it’s time to replace it.

I used mine twice for the medical roll but easily could have used it again.

EC: I hate to see someone buy/use a MyM. It just drags way too much for me.
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I FINALLY BOUGHT MY DERMINATOR! So excited. Do any of you remember how long it takes to receive in the US, also does it comes with the needles? I am wondering if maybe I should order packs of needles to have on hand for when they run out.

Can't wait! Thanks to everyone who provided info that helped me make this decision!
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I ordered mine on 5/27 and got it 5/4. U.S. Probably won't be able to use it for several weeks, but will try to test this week. Yay!
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Okay so sounds like about 8 days. Not bad. Can't wait to use it. Did it come with all the needles sizes up to 2.5
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ho ho, I have just done my very first little, roll with my new derminator!!!

A few things.
First, I found it rather tricky trying to do the skin area thing so as to enable the timer to work properly.
I am pretty sure I didn't get it right.
However when I do crack it, it should make doing the whole face very accurate.

Second do it in front of mirror!!! I know stupid , but as it was only a product penetration roll (only a .25mm) and a test really I figure I can let myself off for being stupid!!

It is easy to do and I hardly felt it,but RS is right it does prickle afterwards!! ( and as I wasn't doing in front of the mirror and hadn't done the area properly I missed bits of my face!)

This does require practice and time to get it right. Thats why I am going to do that with just product penetration only and also, I will do it with the shortest needles too. Even tho it doesn't feel as sore as manually, when you are doing it, after you do feel it. I think because with a machine it always gets the right depth whereas when I do it I don't always maintain that pressure.

So tomorrow will be better!!

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summer2004 wrote:
I bought one knock-off MyM 2 years ago and it did not have any power at all, though it could move.

I asked for a replacement and the 2nd one was even worse.


Thanks for the tip, maybe it's best to stay away. I gotta remember that you get what you pay for.

MaryClaire wrote:


EC: I hate to see someone buy/use a MyM. It just drags way too much for me.


I appreciate the advice! Again I should probably stay away, I really want the derminator, I'll have to order on Wednesday, along with some extra needle cartridges. Thanks to both for the advice.
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Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:47 am      Reply with quote
Just wanted to mention that the Derminator (for US) is now available on owndoc.com (just decided to check and placed an order).

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Sigma, was just gonna post! I checked owndoc on my way to work (in traffic) and saw it was in stock. I want to order, but not sure if I should spend the money now, but god I want one!
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Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:46 am      Reply with quote
EC,

there will always be another batch.....
I sometimes wait; sometimes agonize whether to buy or not, since I have so many pieces of equipment that just sit there and not getting used at all.

My criteria - if you think you will really use it, it is worth it. For me - it should either take very little time or be very portable or be used very rarely (if takes more then 10 min) - then there is a chance that I will use it...

Best of luck whatever you decide!

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Tue Jun 09, 2015 3:23 pm      Reply with quote
sigma wrote:
EC,

there will always be another batch.....
I sometimes wait; sometimes agonize whether to buy or not, since I have so many pieces of equipment that just sit there and not getting used at all.

My criteria - if you think you will really use it, it is worth it. For me - it should either take very little time or be very portable or be used very rarely (if takes more then 10 min) - then there is a chance that I will use it...

Best of luck whatever you decide!


That's exactly my issue, as you can see in my signature, I have an arsenal of skin care devices. I do and have used most, but most of the time they do sit idle, I am always looking into new products!

I however do know that I will use the derminator, mostly for more intensive rolls, 1mm+. I will probably use a manual roller if I decide to ever do daily or several times a week with a .25 or 0.5. What I want the derminator for is the heavy scar reducing rolls, and I could definitely use the single needle for some light pitted scars. They are still in stock, I am so close to ordering... ahhhhh. But you're right though, it's not like they wont be available again, I can just wait for the next batch. I wonder when they will finally have them in stock always, obviously the demand is high.
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Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:38 am      Reply with quote
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I see from your "arsenal" of skin care devices that you have the Reaura and RF devices. I also have these, among others and I wondered if you have the intention of using either or both of these alongside the Derminator? I am also considering buying this and just hoped that you might have some knowledge regarding using these together?
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Anne5899 wrote:
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I see from your "arsenal" of skin care devices that you have the Reaura and RF devices. I also have these, among others and I wondered if you have the intention of using either or both of these alongside the Derminator? I am also considering buying this and just hoped that you might have some knowledge regarding using these together?


Hello Anne!

I don't really plan on using both devices at once, I kind of like the slower approach to skin care, my skin is pretty darn tough, but I dont want to over do it! Sometimes a little goes a long way.

However, I think through my online research about dermarolling, that people do a lot of times use ReAura/Tria in conjunction with skin needling. Again, in my opinion it sounds like too much damage. Of course, these devices purposely cause skin damage in order to set up repair and renewal, but I like to stick with one device and do a series of treatments to test out it's effectiveness on it's own. But it's probably totally fine to do a light roll and then use an at home laser, just not too close together, or not in the same day at least. I think the only thing I'd be comfortable using with dermarolling is maybe red LED treatments a few days after rolling.

OKAY SOOOO.... I didn't order a derminator yet, I will in July once I am moved into my new apartment.

BUT, haha, I did order a needling device just to test out and get used to electric needling in the meantime. It's the "ZJchao micro needle pen", I know it's one of those Chinese knock-offs of the Dermapen, but you know what, with my Discover cashback rewards I only paid $58 and it arrives tonight by 9pm (Amazon Prime). Crazy Amazon has this new service for Prime Members that if you spend a certain amount, your item can arrive the SAME DAY for free, if it qualifies.

So, despite being warned about the Chinese knock-offs, I am going to give this pen a try. If I don't like it, I can return it easily with Amazon, Amazon is the best at returns. Device comes with 10 extra needle cartridges. Not a bad deal at all. The weird thing is, another seller on Amazon sells the SAME pen I got for 130-140$, only difference is theirs comes in a shiny gold box. So I feel good that I even got it at a fraction of THAT price.

I may go ahead and try to do a treatment tonight. I'll let you all know.

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Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:27 pm      Reply with quote
Also sorry not trying to steer off topic and talk about a different device. I am getting a derminator indefinitely.
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So I got my knock off MyM dermapen (the one pictured above). It was packaged pretty nicely, device seems solid and mechanically pretty sound. I love the dial and the 9 speeds, and you can change to whatever speed you want, there isn't any preset speeds. I did a treatment with it. Rolled the majority of my face with 1.0, except the eyes and forehead I did very lightly and minimally with the .25. My face actually got pretty flushed, red/pink and tingly, it looked like I had done a pretty decent roll, although I didnt draw any blood, at least I didnt see any. BUT, as Mary Clair and others said, it just seems to drag at times. I used some HA serum and was able to get a good rhythm where it was gliding pretty well, but there were times when there was a weird resistance and it just didnt feel right, overall. I dont think I did any damage because I took it easy, however I dont think this is something that I would want to continue with long term, so I am returning to Amazon and mostly likely ordering the Derminator when its in stock on Monday. It's crazy because these Chinese knock off devices get pretty decent reviews, and on Amazon they have "Verified Purchase" next to reviews of people that actually purchased the product, so I wonder how many of them could be fake. But yeah, I mean I'm not saying this will completely ruin your skin, but it doesn't seem enjoyable with the occasional dragging it does.

I stumbled upon a thread on here where Sarah (owndoc) was explaining the device and the differences between the Dermajet (now Derminator) and the MyM and countless knock offs, and it really sold it to me. I really do think the Derminator is the absolute best electric needling device out there and I havent even used it yet.

Derminator it is, Goodbye MyM, should have known.
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Wow my face is still a bit pink and flushed looking this morning, I went to work, I wonder if anyone is looking at me and wondering why haha.

Skin feels a bit tight and itchy, and I'm pretty sure those are common side effects from skin needling, so I have to say, the MyM works actually pretty well, for as cheap and basic as it is. I do agree that the design of the needles and the gliding while punching into the skin is sort of a flawed design, but I have to admit it seems to get the job done. I'm glad I only did 1mm max! My face probably would've looked horrible had I done a heavier roll.

Despite the decent performance of it, again the dragging was bothersome, it didn't hurt me, it didn't seem to cause damage or scratching but it just didn't make operation of it very smooth at times. I think the key for these MyM machines is to use on highest speed setting, and pull skin very taut, as well as applying generous HA or whatever serum you use to cause slip. With all of that being done, I do believe the device is capable of a good skin needling.

With all of that said, I do think the derminator takes things a step further with the design and the magnet and the fact that it pushes the needle out and sucks it in, a lot more power up and down. Also I like the single needle option.

So as I said, the MyM has been packed up and I'm sending back to Amazon today. I'll either order a Derminator Monday, or wait until a future batch.
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Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:35 am      Reply with quote
FYI, derminators are in stock for all plugs! Just checked OwnDoc.
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Fri Jun 12, 2015 11:28 am      Reply with quote
Damn! US sold out already. Crazy how fast these things are selling. They cant even keep them on the shelves lol.
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Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:21 pm      Reply with quote
My Derminator is still not here ... it's in New York though so needs to get out here to California. I couldn't wait so I ordered the UK plug and just bought a plug adapter. So if the US is sold out, you ladies can try that if you want.

Question: Can anyone help me out with a regimen for before during and after roll. Best products?
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My skin is still a bit pink in areas that I concentrated on from the mym. Almosts looks like a rash but nothing too dramatic. I gotta say again, the mym although I hate the occasional dragging, seems to have performed a pretty decent 1mm roll. I am having all of the side effects that can be expected from rolling. The next day I had tightness and warmth, today (2 days after rolling) my skin is still slightly pink in areas and feels a bit rough, not terribly rough. So all in all I must hand it to the mym, despite not being the best option, it seems to needle the skin pretty decently. I imagine the derminator is even better, which is why I definitely have my eye on one.

Wrinkle free, I use hyaluronic acid before rolling and immediately after. I want to invest in a few more products, some natural cleansers and some sort of repair cream afterward (infadolan maybe). Google the after care instructions, you'll find a lot of suggestions. Don't use anything with a lot of additives and chemicals, you want to keep the skin hydrated and protected from the sun, but again try to invest in natural products, HA is a highly used serum to apply before and after, very hydrating.
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Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:37 am      Reply with quote
All derminators back in stock!

Gotta say, darn my skin really reacted to that MyM 1mm roll I did last Thursday. My skin went through phases, warm, tight and red on Friday, red/pink and slightly rough Saturday, pink and slightly peeling on Sunday, and today I very very lightly used a little apricot scrub to slough off the flakes and put Elizabeth Arden's 8 hour cream on. At work now, there is still a few light pink areas but my skin is definitely in the recovery stage, it looks a lot better. I never had this good a roll with the manual ones because it wasn't so pleasant to do, but electric needling is where it's at! Will I order a derminator today? Hmmm.
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