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Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:44 am      Reply with quote
Just realized after posting about the Lightstim that this is the derminator thread, woah this thread is going completely off-topic lol. Smile
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John, I could never really tell if I lost fat from my face but I felt like my face was not looking as good as before and I started to be unhappy with it. Before I always thought (and others) I looked very young for my age, and then all of a sudden I started to feel like I aged overnight. I didn't take any good pics before starting the LED, so I couldn't quite figure out if I really started to look worse while using it (I only used it for about a month, 5x a week). It could be I was wrong, and maybe my face was showing some signs of aging before, but I don't know, just the summer before my sister commented how it was possible I was 41 and looked like I was in my 20s and now all of a sudden I felt like I was starting to look my age (well maybe still a few years younger but not much, greatly depending on the lighting, good light/bad light face). Very Happy

I was depressed over it and freaked out and stopped using the light. About others, I do remember reading something about LED being connected to fat loss in some and I can't remember exactly but I want to say some reported this effect of losing face fat from using it. I guess it's possible since the infrared can penetrate deeper than the skin layer, doesn't it? Most people, like EC, have good results so I am sure it's rare, and maybe our fat loss is not connected to LED. I am not sure if I should try it again.

Sorry about continuing to go off-topic on this thread, I just wanted to respond since this whole topic came up. Maybe we could move this conversation to the right thread.
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Thu Sep 24, 2015 10:57 pm      Reply with quote
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John, I could never really tell if I lost fat from my face but I felt like my face was not looking as good as before and I started to be unhappy with it. Before I always thought (and others) I looked very young for my age, and then all of a sudden I started to feel like I aged overnight. I didn't take any good pics before starting the LED, so I couldn't quite figure out if I really started to look worse while using it (I only used it for about a month, 5x a week). It could be I was wrong, and maybe my face was showing some signs of aging before, but I don't know, just the summer before my sister commented how it was possible I was 41 and looked like I was in my 20s and now all of a sudden I felt like I was starting to look my age (well maybe still a few years younger but not much, greatly depending on the lighting, good light/bad light face). Very Happy

I was depressed over it and freaked out and stopped using the light. About others, I do remember reading something about LED being connected to fat loss in some and I can't remember exactly but I want to say some reported this effect of losing face fat from using it. I guess it's possible since the infrared can penetrate deeper than the skin layer, doesn't it? Most people, like EC, have good results so I am sure it's rare, and maybe our fat loss is not connected to LED. I am not sure if I should try it again.

Sorry about continuing to go off-topic on this thread, I just wanted to respond since this whole topic came up. Maybe we could move this conversation to the right thread.


Thank you for your repply, and sorry for going off-topic. I will do some further research and might open new topic about it. I came to forum because of Derminator but couldnt notice this LED converation as part of the topic Smile
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Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:57 am      Reply with quote
Back from my holiday to Turkey Cool and ready to start my Derminator again. After my last bout of hives and severe itching which lasted days, I thought I would stay with smaller needles for now and let my skin strengthen. So far I have done two 0.25 for product penetration, and one 0.5. I did not use the Copper Peptides this time, but instead used Hylauronic Acid powder mixed with Sea Kelp Coral base (from Active Formulas in UK) and this time everything has been fine. In a week or two I will graduate up, but I'm glad my skin has been OK. Incidentally, I am 68, so maybe I am wishing against the wind for improvement, it may be too late. I'm not expecting miracles, but just hoping for thicker skin and maybe stopping these lines getting any worse. I am only 2 months in, so it is too early to expect any real results.
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Back from my holiday to Turkey Cool and ready to start my Derminator again. After my last bout of hives and severe itching which lasted days, I thought I would stay with smaller needles for now and let my skin strengthen. So far I have done two 0.25 for product penetration, and one 0.5. I did not use the Copper Peptides this time, but instead used Hylauronic Acid powder mixed with Sea Kelp Coral base (from Active Formulas in UK) and this time everything has been fine. In a week or two I will graduate up, but I'm glad my skin has been OK. Incidentally, I am 68, so maybe I am wishing against the wind for improvement, it may be too late. I'm not expecting miracles, but just hoping for thicker skin and maybe stopping these lines getting any worse. I am only 2 months in, so it is too early to expect any real results.
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Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:16 pm      Reply with quote
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Back from my holiday to Turkey Cool and ready to start my Derminator again. After my last bout of hives and severe itching which lasted days, I thought I would stay with smaller needles for now and let my skin strengthen. So far I have done two 0.25 for product penetration, and one 0.5. I did not use the Copper Peptides this time, but instead used Hylauronic Acid powder mixed with Sea Kelp Coral base (from Active Formulas in UK) and this time everything has been fine. In a week or two I will graduate up, but I'm glad my skin has been OK. Incidentally, I am 68, so maybe I am wishing against the wind for improvement, it may be too late. I'm not expecting miracles, but just hoping for thicker skin and maybe stopping these lines getting any worse. I am only 2 months in, so it is too early to expect any real results.


It's never too late! There is always room for improvement. Microneedling is one of the things that has been proven to work; the science behind it is sound. If I were you, I would leave out any serums or the like when you do anything above 1.0. For .25 or .5 it's fine to use products but I would leave them out for anything above 1.0, at least until the next day.

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Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:27 am      Reply with quote
Thanks Immacolata, I'll do that. Just for now I am sticking with 0.25 for my regular sessions, as I am taking things a bit slower. Thanks for the positivity, here's hoping.
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Yesterday I did a 0.25 for product penetration, but I always notice that I get quite a lot of pinpoint bleeding with 0.25. Is this normal, because from bits I have read most people don't. Does this mean my skin is very thin? If so, then I suppose I should build up gently until my skin is thicker. What do others think?
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Yesterday I did a 0.25 for product penetration, but I always notice that I get quite a lot of pinpoint bleeding with 0.25. Is this normal, because from bits I have read most people don't. Does this mean my skin is very thin? If so, then I suppose I should build up gently until my skin is thicker. What do others think?


I used to get pinpoint bleeding from the 0.25 Derminator needles but then my skin got used to it and now I only get those points with 0.5 mm.

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Although I haven't been using this on my face, my stretch marks are looking so much better. Even for the deep scars that I had from my tummy tuck a year and a half ago look so much better. Smile

I'm not sure if anyone's noticed but they now sell C-60 in Olive Oil and I bought a few bottles. Very interesting stuff here. When I go next year for my Mammogram, I am hoping my dense breast tissue is gone since C-60 gets good reviews for fighting against disease, cancer, as well as aging.

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Although I haven't been using this on my face, my stretch marks are looking so much better. Even for the deep scars that I had from my tummy tuck a year and a half ago look so much better. Smile

I'm not sure if anyone's noticed but they now sell C-60 in Olive Oil and I bought a few bottles. Very interesting stuff here. When I go next year for my Mammogram, I am hoping my dense breast tissue is gone since C-60 gets good reviews for fighting against disease, cancer, as well as aging.


I noticed those some time ago. If you notice any positive changes, please post! I was waiting to hear more anecdotal evidence before I spent the money.

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Rmc7, I saw your photos on Own Doc and I am blown away! What was your protocol over the past 6 months to get such dramatic results? How often did you use the Derminator and at what length? You mentioned anteage, but did you use anything else? You must be thrilled. If you keep it up your going to be 20 again before you know it. Lol.

OMG , I'm so sorry I didn't see your question nor did I get an email telling me it was here, but I've also had problems with my iPad. Anyway, prior to needling I continued with my RetinA and anteage , vit C and Fawnie's Vita Collagen Colostrum Cream. During the needling I would use Hyluronic acid , right after I used the AnteAge microneeding solution and my Led light. The following day I would resume Led lights the AnteAge serum , and moisturizer, followed by Fawnie's Vita Collagen Colostrum cream. I would continue doing that for 4 days. On the fifth day I used an enzyme peel followed by Fawnie's VCCCream again. On the 6 th day I would resume RetinA, VitC etc. about mid month I did a .5 microneeding followed by a TCA peel and LED. I also did the .25 microneeding weekly. I don't believe my results were an anomaly I just think I happened to record my results. I'll bet others who compair their results would see the same type of changes as far as clarity and line reduction go. But I will tell you this, and it's NOT a recommendation ( some may not have the elephant hide that I do) combining the TCA , Led , and Derminator gave me fast results.
Again I'm so sorry I didn't get back to you sooner.

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Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:22 am      Reply with quote
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flipper wrote:
Rmc7, I saw your photos on Own Doc and I am blown away! What was your protocol over the past 6 months to get such dramatic results? How often did you use the Derminator and at what length? You mentioned anteage, but did you use anything else? You must be thrilled. If you keep it up your going to be 20 again before you know it. Lol.

OMG , I'm so sorry I didn't see your question nor did I get an email telling me it was here, but I've also had problems with my iPad. Anyway, prior to needling I continued with my RetinA and anteage , vit C and Fawnie's Vita Collagen Colostrum Cream. During the needling( the monthly one 1. To 1.5 .25 around my eyes )I would use Hyluronic acid , right after I used the AnteAge microneeding solution and my Led light. The following day I would resume Led lights the AnteAge serum , and moisturizer, followed by Fawnie's Vita Collagen Colostrum cream. I would continue doing that for 4 days. On the fifth day I used an enzyme peel followed by Fawnie's VCCCream again. On the 6 th day I would resume RetinA, VitC etc. about mid month I did a .5 microneeding followed by a TCA peel and LED. I also did the .25 microneeding weekly. I don't believe my results were an anomaly I just think I happened to record my results. I'll bet others who compair their results would see the same type of changes as far as clarity and line reduction go. But I will tell you this, and it's NOT a recommendation ( some may not have the elephant hide that I do) combining the TCA , Led , and Derminator gave me fast results.
Again I'm so sorry I didn't get back to you sooner.

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The above was an edit to add needle length.

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Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:31 am      Reply with quote
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combining the TCA , Led , and Derminator gave me fast results.sooner.


I might start TCA peels again. This time, though, I'll use a gentler strength. I was using 20% and that's just SCARY strong!

Your lips look fantastic! Gives me hope for mine.

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combining the TCA , Led , and Derminator gave me fast results.sooner.


I might start TCA peels again. This time, though, I'll use a gentler strength. I was using 20% and that's just SCARY strong!

Your lips look fantastic! Gives me hope for mine.

Holy smoke! You are way braver than me! That's gotta be painful, no? Did you layer it?

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rmc7 wrote:
combining the TCA , Led , and Derminator gave me fast results.sooner.


I might start TCA peels again. This time, though, I'll use a gentler strength. I was using 20% and that's just SCARY strong!

Your lips look fantastic! Gives me hope for mine.

Holy smoke! You are way braver than me! That's gotta be painful, no? Did you layer it?


I just used a cotton pad and smoothed it on. It burns like a MOFO. Scared me at first, and I started to freak when it looked like my face was falling off, LOL. but I found an article that detailed another women's experience with strong TCA, and knew that it would get better. Downtime was a week. I won't go that strong again.

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Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:25 pm      Reply with quote
Thanks RMC7. I don't think my skin could handle as much as yours, but good to know you used Hyaluronic acid during needling at 1.5 with no adverse effects. I was using just water or saline and its was not as easy as I hoped, plus my skin was so dry because i cleansed and then used alcohol prior to needling. I need to look into antiAge and possibly TCA. What was your strength? I was considering it last year but chickened out. Don't worry about the late reply, better late than never.
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Alright guys.. I just got my derminator..
But Im reading about all your lotions and potions that you relentlessly put on your face .. makes me want to scream.. Im a guy... And i really dont care much about those products ..

Is it really important to use the creams and stuff? or could you just go without ? I mean .. as long as you eat healthy.. leafy greens and stuff..

Whats your opinion on that? is it truely important to use thoese serums to heal the skin ? I mean ..the skin should be able to heal it self, as long as the wounds dont stay for weeks .. like it does with cystic acne, which is what causes scared tissue..
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Alright guys.. I just got my derminator..
But Im reading about all your lotions and potions that you relentlessly put on your face .. makes me want to scream.. Im a guy... And i really dont care much about those products ..

Is it really important to use the creams and stuff? or could you just go without ? I mean .. as long as you eat healthy.. leafy greens and stuff..

Whats your opinion on that? is it truely important to use thoese serums to heal the skin ? I mean ..the skin should be able to heal it self, as long as the wounds dont stay for weeks .. like it does with cystic acne, which is what causes scared tissue..


You need something on your face while using it, like saline water or hyaluronic acid serum, otherwise, it will catch and drag and not be very comfortable. It wouldn't hurt you to use a vitamin C serum - they are cheap if you make them yourself.

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@Immacolata Aight.. that makes great sense.. Could you recommend any vitamin C product ? any website etc?

Thanks btw!
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@Immacolata Aight.. that makes great sense.. Could you recommend any vitamin C product ? any website etc?

Thanks btw!

Lotion Crafters and MakingCosmetics.com both sell it. You can also buy it on Amazon. I would just buy the powder and make my own. Already made has like a 1000% markup (maybe not that high a percentage but it really is far, far cheaper to make it yourself, and no trouble at all).

I put 1/4 tsp. of C in a shot glass, then add 3/4 tsp. distilled water and 1/4 tsp. of propylene glycol (for thickness). Cheap, cheap, cheap!

The hyaluronic acid you can buy at the same places. I just put about 1/4 tsp. in a shot glass of distilled water, cover it with plastic wrap and put it in the fridge overnight. Next morning, voila! HA serum. Use it quickly though, unless you put in a preservative. Same with the C.

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@ Immacolata Aight.. Makes perfect sense now.. Im starting to get this!
Is it possible for you to share some links? Ive been on both websites, but im really not sure, that im going to buy the right products... lol Surprised

And another thing.. What about Vitamin E ? I always hear, that it should be used after one has had surgery to reduce scar tissue etc..

And what about the Infadolan (vit. A & D ointment) that owndoc recommends for aftercare?


Thanks once again Immacolata!
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@ Immacolata Aight.. Makes perfect sense now.. Im starting to get this!
Is it possible for you to share some links? Ive been on both websites, but im really not sure, that im going to buy the right products... lol Surprised

And another thing.. What about Vitamin E ? I always hear, that it should be used after one has had surgery to reduce scar tissue etc..

And what about the Infadolan (vit. A & D ointment) that owndoc recommends for aftercare?


Thanks once again Immacolata!


Here's the vitamin C:

http://www.lotioncrafter.com/ascorbic-acid-ultrafine.html

And the HA:

http://www.lotioncrafter.com/hyaluronic-acid.html

You can buy the infadolan from owndoc but I've never used it. I don't know about the Vitamin E - I don't suppose it could hurt but I would wait a day or two after needling to use it. Or maybe just take it orally?

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Thanks a million Immacolata! really sweet of you.! Smile
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