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saucychic
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Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:30 pm |
Basically it is now known that thinning skin and volume loss are the most aging aspect vs wrinkles (and this contributes to wrinkles). So aside from fillers which can look fake, are there any supplements, foods or skincare products that will keep your skin from thinning and your face from losing its youthful volume? It is this volume that gives the appearance of being young and pretty. I have avoided the sun my whole life and used retin-a, glycolic acid, vitamin c, peptides, topical hyaluronic acid and more. I want to keep my face as it is, and even better.
I have heard that collagen and hyaluronic acid and silica supplements keep your face plump but wanted to see if anyone has firsthand experience with this.
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Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:34 pm |
I have thin skin too, that makes vein so visible. I think mainly because I had improper diet habit when I was younger. And now, I try everything to make it up such as retinol, Glycolic, collagen, peptides, hyaluronic acid...etc. They do help to prevent the skin from getting thinner and make complexion look well. But, it's hard to say it corrects the thinning problem. I think it makes you look your best as what you are. |
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Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:35 pm |
I'd say things that stimulate collagen + fibrolast (usually devices/tools) should keep the face from thinning..as well as good moisturizer (EFAs) and being gentle(!)
Pill wise...I think EFA supplements or protein are good in that aspect, but am not sure of anything else.
Genetics have a lot to do with it too of course, but as far as I know we havent come up with anything to help us with bad genes. |
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Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:03 am |
The thinning of the skin is one of the many changes that your skin will experience when you are aging. When your skin gets thinner it come become extra sensitive. It can easily be bruised and cut. To prevent your skin from thinning too much here are some tips.
1. Stop smoking. If you are smoking, then better quit. Smoking deprives your skin of oxygen which is need to form collagen and additional skin cells that keeps the skin thicker and stronger.
2. Apply moisturizer. Applying moisturizer can make your skin supple and it has fast-healing property. It prevents injury and skin loss.
3. Maintain a healthy lifestyle. Exercise regularly and eat healthy food to prevent aging symptoms.
4. Drink plenty of water. Drink at least eight glasses of water to keep yourself hydrated.
5. Always protect your skin from sun exposure. Using sunscreen with SPF can protect you from UV rays. The higher SPF the better. |
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Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:04 am |
There's nothing you can do about volume loss because it's about fat distribution, not skin thickness. However, it is wise to do what you can to support the structure of the skin, which will contribute to firmness and slow sagging. Collagen creams and supplements do nothing. You need to support the creation of new collagen in your body. Supplements can help. I take lysine and proline and bamboo silica. Hyaluronic acid fillers do help create collagen as well. Nutrition is a huge factor in skin health. |
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Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:06 am |
There's nothing you can do about volume loss because it's about fat distribution, not skin thickness. However, it is wise to do what you can to support the structure of the skin, which will contribute to firmness and slow sagging. Collagen creams and supplements do nothing. You need to support the creation of new collagen in your body. Supplements can help. I take lysine and proline and bamboo silica. Hyaluronic acid fillers do help create collagen as well. Nutrition is a huge factor in skin health. |
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saucychic
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Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:22 pm |
Ok well is it really fat loss that leads to volume loss or is just collagen loss and loss of hyaluronic acid causing the inability to hold and bind water in the skin that is the real culprit of thinning skin? Could it be that everyone just walks around saying that it is fat loss when in reality it is the loss of the other two proteins which can be increased with diet and supplements? Is there any scientific study that actually shows that fat is lost from the face as people get older? Bc there are studies that prove that collagen and hyaluronic acid production do slow down.
From what I know, it is just the face and hands that lose volume and thin out. The rest of the body does not. This coincides with the fact that the face and the hands get the most sun exposure, meaning that it is the damage to collagen that is causing the volume loss. I have also noticed that darker skin types do not lose as much volume, again this is due to natural sun protection in darker skin that protects collagen.
Am I onto something or not? I have tried googling this question but I am not getting any answers with the way I am phrasing it, I guess. |
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Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:58 pm |
saucychic wrote: |
Is there any scientific study that actually shows that fat is lost from the face as people get older? |
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24238002 |
_________________ Born 1953; Blonde-Blue; Normal skin |
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saucychic
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Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:47 pm |
Alright then. So I looked up subcutaneous facial tissue and this is housed in the hypodermis. I would assume that uv rays can damage this layer and therefore cause the fatty layer to shrink and lead to volume loss.
I found an article about Melanogenesis and it says that this process protects the hypodermis from uvb rays but does not mention uva. Perhaps it is uva rays that damage this layer of skin, as it is uva rays that damage collagen in the dermis.
I can't link to the article bc I am new to the forums but it was on wikipedia.
Also I find it interesting that the study you posted only used women as the test subjects. I have read that men have more collagen than women do but not that they have more fatty tissue. In fact, women have higher body fat percentages
than men. So this leads me to believe once again, that it could be the collagen damage and loss that causes the loss of volume, not the fatty layer. Or perhaps it is a combination of the two. |
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Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:47 pm |
saucychic wrote: |
Also I find it interesting that the study you posted only used women as the test subjects. I have read that men have more collagen than women do but not that they have more fatty tissue. In fact, women have higher body fat percentages than men. |
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25111352 |
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saucychic
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Fri Nov 14, 2014 12:02 am |
Thanks for posting the male study!
Since both men and women are losing subcutaneous tissue starting at a young age, this makes me believe that it is the extra collagen that men have that hides the fatty tissue loss. I tend to see women losing volume a little younger than men do even though they do indeed have a slightly thicker hypodermis than men. Yet the study proves that men are experiencing this tissue loss as well.
This makes me believe that women can rev up their collagen production with diet, supplements, topicals, etc to hide the subcutaneous volume loss as men do.
I also read that infrared radiation does reach the hypodermis and almost no sunscreens protect against these types of rays. Supposedly antioxidants protect against infrared rays, but I would imagine that the vitamins and antioxidants added to some sunscreens are not that effective and an additional serum is probably necessary. |
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Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:28 pm |
Skin thinning is one of the common consequences of aging and too much sun exposure. There are simple steps that you can take to combat skin thinning. Limit your amount of sun exposure. Apply moisturizer frequently. Include fish oil flax seed to your diet as this can improve certain conditions that lead to thin skin. Stay hydrated by drinking at least 8 glasses of water each day. This can affect the elasticity of your skin. Always wear protective clothing and sunscreens with SPF 15 or higher before venturing outside. |
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Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:52 am |
Also no one yet has mentioned face exercises and massage. Both are reported to help build up skin thickness and also replace lost muscle and fat. Looking at proponents like Maggio, Crowley, Fraser etc its easy to see these women all look great, have thick skins, and do not look gaunt. |
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Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:52 pm |
DemiWatson wrote: |
The thinning of the skin is one of the many changes that your skin will experience when you are aging. When your skin gets thinner it come become extra sensitive. It can easily be bruised and cut. To prevent your skin from thinning too much here are some tips.
1. Stop smoking. If you are smoking, then better quit. Smoking deprives your skin of oxygen which is need to form collagen and additional skin cells that keeps the skin thicker and stronger.
2. Apply moisturizer. Applying moisturizer can make your skin supple and it has fast-healing property. It prevents injury and skin loss.
3. Maintain a healthy lifestyle. Exercise regularly and eat healthy food to prevent aging symptoms.
4. Drink plenty of water. Drink at least eight glasses of water to keep yourself hydrated.
5. Always protect your skin from sun exposure. Using sunscreen with SPF can protect you from UV rays. The higher SPF the better. |
don't pay much attention to spf this is NOT what protects you from UVA rays (aging rays) Don't kid yourself.
You need a good broad spectrum sunscreen containing a High amount of Zinc oxide (only 20% and above is useful and NON nano zinc oxide due to the fact that nano does NOT protect you from a good deal of UVA rays in a certain wavelength no matter what the percentage......)
Secondly lower your sugar intake and I also means a bunch of fruit, processed sugar, and just overall, excessive carbs................ Any carb breaks down into simpler sugar which bind you skin proteins together during a process known as glycation, making your skin inflexible and also contributing to inflammation responses in your body thus leading to the breakdown of your subcutaneous fat which is the fat layer just underneath the skin.........without it your face sags............
There is no fixing any of this if it happens to you so I'd buckle down start a GOOD diet, avoid the sun and use sunscreen that protects from UVA rays DAILY ("I only go out 15 minutes a day on cloudy days") doesn't matter, those minutes of unprotected sun exposure add up and you'll be sorry you did not wear it daily. Put it this way a good sunscreen will protect you from over 50% of the damage you would have gotten otherwise without it. Would you rather age at twice the rate? Or half..............And no even on cloudy days over 90% of those UVA rays get through and you DO need to wear sunscreen indoors since those UVA rays (which are invisible) bounce around all the interiors of your house and eventually to you, even if you are 20 feet from a window. |
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Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:08 am |
One small thing I want to say here – but a lot of people who did use UVA protectors over did it and ended up being Vit D deficient and whilst you might try to say that’s healthier than sun damage (and no argument there) it is just as bad to be deficient in Vit D and plays havoc with bones etc.
Instead of going OTT with UVA protection, I would suggest instead opting for Vit C serums that you make yourself – and there are some great recipes here. Ages ago a derm told me that if I was exposed to sun without protection, by applying a good Vit C serum that I would avoid the free radical damage that would otherwise occur and I’ve got to say that I’m very fortunate in having next to no damage nowadays (and as a young girl I slathered myself in olive oil and sat out in the sun in my youth). I have though wised up and taken care of myself and my face and am very happy with it (although I do use Retin A and have done so for past 30 years!). |
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Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:50 pm |
TheresaMary wrote: |
One small thing I want to say here – but a lot of people who did use UVA protectors over did it and ended up being Vit D deficient and whilst you might try to say that’s healthier than sun damage (and no argument there) it is just as bad to be deficient in Vit D and plays havoc with bones etc.
Instead of going OTT with UVA protection, I would suggest instead opting for Vit C serums that you make yourself – and there are some great recipes here. Ages ago a derm told me that if I was exposed to sun without protection, by applying a good Vit C serum that I would avoid the free radical damage that would otherwise occur and I’ve got to say that I’m very fortunate in having next to no damage nowadays (and as a young girl I slathered myself in olive oil and sat out in the sun in my youth). I have though wised up and taken care of myself and my face and am very happy with it (although I do use Retin A and have done so for past 30 years!). |
Supplement with vitamin D. Its as simple as that.
Also your derm is right to some degree. Vitamin C will ONLY address the infrared radiation-induced radicals from unprotected sun exposure, NOT the UVA-bsed damage.
My sound advice here honestly is always use sunscreen and if you are concerned about vitamin D it is SO easy to get a day's worth through your diet, or even easier, through a dirt cheap vitamin D3 supplement |
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saucychic
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Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:31 am |
Can you recommend a good sunscreen with 20% zinc oxide? And is there one that won't leave a thick,.white film? |
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Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:22 am |
I use suntegrity - it's a bit white when it first goes on but that goes away and most days I use a tinted moisturiser on top |
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Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:39 am |
It is not quite that simple in itself. As has been explained to me even if you supplement with a form of Vit D, there are many different types etc and often if a person is deficient in Vit D they are deficient in other things too so they need to be taking that too in conjunction. My derm says a lot of people have been scaremongered into the sunscreen thing, and I do wear it, but I am also aware that my body needs and requires some natural sunlight too.
Vit D3 is not the only form of Vit D that our bodies need though also.
qowpele wrote: |
Supplement with vitamin D. Its as simple as that.
Also your derm is right to some degree. Vitamin C will ONLY address the infrared radiation-induced radicals from unprotected sun exposure, NOT the UVA-bsed damage.
My sound advice here honestly is always use sunscreen and if you are concerned about vitamin D it is SO easy to get a day's worth through your diet, or even easier, through a dirt cheap vitamin D3 supplement |
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