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Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:28 pm      Reply with quote
Hi LouLou,

Thanks for your reply. I didn't see it until now.
My situation hasn't improved 7 weeks on, I was wondering if I could send you pictures to get some advice. I lost a lot of volume from the lower face, and created all those folds. I don't have any folds with my resting face, it just looks hollow around my mouth. I used to have a chubby face and after one week of performing the exercise wrong and too intensely I lost all the volume. The skin wrinkles and folds terribly when I smile now. I'm trying to just let it rest but I'm not getting the volume back. Would putting on weight help with that? I'm not ready to throw the towel in just yet but I don't know how to heal this.
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Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:13 am      Reply with quote
Any update?? Just read this thread. That is why I am so scared to do facial exercise, everything seems to have a possibility of making us much worse than we started.

I have wanted to do facial exercise for some time but other than a fear of making things worse, I am also terrible with understanding how to do them. I have had Carole Maggio book for some time but every time I looked and tried to do a few exercises I got frustrated because it wasn't clear enough for me, I felt like I wasn't doing a thing with any muscle, it all seemed like I am supposed to exercise my envisioned muscle in my head. I also tried a few others I found on youtube but again, most of them made me feel like I wasn't doing anything.

I recently bough Facial Flex Ultra, a little device you put in your mouth and it is supposed to work several muscles. I felt like I needed a device to actually work my muscles, it is getting pretty good reviews, and I actually feel the burn and seems like it engages a lot of muscles. I have been using it for less than a week but I am terrified of having some bad effect. So far I feel like it made my jaw line a bit stronger and more firm so nothing bad yet but I know it can take a while to develop bad results. The instructions say to use 2x a day for 2 min which is a lot of reps, and everything I read says not to do a lot of reps with facial exercise. There is no burn until the end though so doing less may not have any effect. It doesn't create any folds while doing it, but my expression is terrible while doing it and I worry it may overwork a wrong muscle. Just so frustrating so know what to do. Anyone tried this device?

Hope things got better for you!
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Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:13 pm      Reply with quote
Hi Everyone, it is Peta here from Facerobics. I have been reading this thread and felt the need to come on and clarify what has happened to SolarFlower.

The Facerobics program is a "gradual" face exercise program, which allows people to build up the repetitions.

Also what is very important part of the program is isolating the muscles so as not to cause more wrinkles.

You cannot just go straight into 150 repetitions a day, and just exercise one area on your face, and do them over and over and think it is going to work. The Facerobics program is to be done with a FULL FACE ROUTINE with the theory that LESS IS BEST!. And MaryTheresa is correct, if you do too much you will cause more wrinkles.

I stress this over and over and over in my videos, I provide links to other videos explaining it, and I work tirelessly communicating this to people in the comments when asked.

I also request that people subscribe to the channel for the main reason is that I regularly put up videos explaining new techniques, and other related videos about what can happen if you do the exercises incorrectly. I find that most people are not interested in watching those videos, or dont even subscribe, then send me emails wanting me to fix the problems that they have created!

The main thing about the Facerobics program is that you start of 50 Repetitions for 2 weeks, then move all at once up to 100 repetitions for 2 weeks, and if possible, move up to 150 repetitions for another 2 weeks. The repetitions are not meant to be done more than that. That way it is a gradual build and the muscles are able to handle 150 repetitions a day after the build up.

I say also that if you cant manage 150, do 50 Repetitions for 3 weeks and 100 for 3 weeks. Then, they are to CHANGE all of the exercise routines, to new exercises and start again at 50 Repetitions after 6 weeks, building up again. This way the muscles have a chance to rest, and it is in the resting that the muscles build, and there is a gradual build again thru the levels.

What I can work out is SolarFlower, did too much, too soon and too often. And yes, she has to stop ALL face exercise until the muscles recover. It would be the same as if you were lifting weights in the gym, if you start with too much, you can do serious damage. The same applies to the muscles on your face.

I have a whole program set out, which explains this, and if you look at my before face exercise pictures that I usually put up at the end of the videos, you will see that this programme works, if it is done as I instruct.

As far as I can see, all of the information is correct that is given above, and am glad that others understand the basic principles of face exercising. That, it can be wonderful or disastrous.

Thanks for your time! Smile
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Fri Dec 04, 2015 4:33 am      Reply with quote
Peta Ė its great to have you here. Could you explain a bit why you recommend such high reps.

A lot of programs donít have you do such high reps so was curious as to why you choose that for your program and would like to understand a bit more about that recommendation?
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Hi TheresaMary, thank you for the welcome! My Facerobics Face Exercise Program is a gradual program for muscle growth.

This is why we start at 50 repetitions and build up to 150 if people can do it. It is in the building up to the higher repetitions that grows the muscles underneath the skin.

After much research and not having success with other programs, I realised that it is in the repetitions that creates muscle growth, along with other things that I discovered by doing the exercises regularly.

It is just the same as if you worked out in the gym, you have to do repetitions, and then rest to achieve growth.

If you cant go up to 150, just go to 100 and work the program over the same 6 weeks, 3 Weeks at 50 Repetitions and 3 weeks at 100 Repetitions. It give the same result.

When you start a new routine after 6 weeks and return to 50 repetitions again it achieves 3 things: 1) it gives the brain and the muscles a chance to learn the new exercises, 2) the gradual process starts again and 3) it mixes up the exercises so that the muscles do not get used to them, which stops growth.

One must change the routine every 6 weeks.

I have created routines for people to follow so that they will achieve success.

Hope that gives a better understanding of the programme.

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Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:08 pm      Reply with quote
I am following Peta and am only two weeks in. Trying not to do too much, but I do have a question.

When I work I tend to clench my face or lightly grind my teeth and I notice when I use the ladies room my face looks more saggy. Is there a resting face I could put my face into when working that would keep it lifted but without overworking it? Maybe that wide close smile?

This is important for me because i think I undo any good I've done when working every day and if I had a position to hold that would help!
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Wrinklefreeforever that's a good question. I know Loulou talks a lot about Face Posture and think she is on the mark with that suggestion. Hopefully Peta can answer your question!
wrinklefreeforever wrote:
I am following Peta and am only two weeks in. Trying not to do too much, but I do have a question.

When I work I tend to clench my face or lightly grind my teeth and I notice when I use the ladies room my face looks more saggy. Is there a resting face I could put my face into when working that would keep it lifted but without overworking it? Maybe that wide close smile?

This is important for me because i think I undo any good I've done when working every day and if I had a position to hold that would help!
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Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:11 pm      Reply with quote
Hi there,

I have done facial exercises from 2002 and I will never stop! Check out my blog for reasons why FE may not work for you.

http://www.skinremodelingdiy.com/blog/facialexercisesdotheywork

Take good care of yourself.
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Hello,

Dang, I don't enjoy taking selfies but I have one that I took Mar 2, 2017 that I now posted at the end of the blog. I am 58 in the photo. Recently I have only been doing FE about once every two weeks. I did them 6 days a week for about a decade then reduced to about 3 x week and lately once every 1-2 or 3 weeks. Want to get back to 3 x week.

Check it out.
http://www.skinremodelingdiy.com/blog/facialexercisesdotheywork

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Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:30 am      Reply with quote
You look great and so you obviously have a routine that works.

For what its worth - I'm jealous of your hair. Could you share what you use on it? It looks thicker and healthier than most 50 year olds I know! I'm going up to 70 and so my hair is thin and fine and getting finer and I'm desperate to try to boost it up.
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Hello,

Dang, I don't enjoy taking selfies but I have one that I took Mar 2, 2017 that I now posted at the end of the blog. I am 58 in the photo. Recently I have only been doing FE about once every two weeks. I did them 6 days a week for about a decade then reduced to about 3 x week and lately once every 1-2 or 3 weeks. Want to get back to 3 x week.

Check it out.
http://www.skinremodelingdiy.com/blog/facialexercisesdotheywork
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Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:30 pm      Reply with quote
TheresaMary, thank you!

Also thank you for the compliment on my hair.

I have used raw organic oils regularly on my hair for decades. I use Argan oil, pumpkin seed oil, hemp seed oil, of course coconut oil, avocado oil and others. Apply oil and leave it on hours if possible and then wash it out.

I have had highlights and to counteract the damage done by the highlights, I recently used olaplex for about two months. Over the past couple of years I used Paul Mitchell's Ahwapui keratin treatment.

Of course hair and skin is directly affected by nutrition, exercise, circulation, stress, etc. I enjoy living a healthy lifestyle.

My go to hair conditioner is raw organic oil purchased from Mountain Rose Herbs. These oils are highly nutritious and beneficial for skin and hair health. I try to only wash my hair once or twice a week and avoid using heat and harsh/synthetic ingredients. The headband method makes beautiful curls without heat, you can find it on YouTube it's awesome. Pureology and Paul Mitchell provide high quality products without some of the undesirable synthetic ingredients.

Facial exercises include scalp exercises. Scalp exercises and massage are important practices to increase circulation to improve hair quality.

I hope that you will be able to improve your scalp and hair quality Smile

Best wishes!

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PS

I forgot to ad that almost constant sun protection through the decades probably has protected hair as well as skin.

HGG

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Wed May 23, 2018 4:45 am      Reply with quote
Hi Sunflower

How are you doing? Do you habe some update what consern face dammage from doin Facial exercises? I did the some experience. My skin ist destroed all over my face. 2 month of facial exercises. And i did them correctly,

would like to hear Form you.
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Wed May 23, 2018 8:21 am      Reply with quote
Megi

You seem to be on a bit of a mission re people and facial exercises. I have to disagree with you - not all programs are the same. You have said in several posts you have had a bd experience, but you havent mentioned which program you were doing. Could you share that and the specific results you have which you dislike and then we can help give you suggestions?

For me, I started exercises in my 50s after rapid weight loss. They have been my saviour.

Tessie

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Hi Sunflower

How are you doing? Do you habe some update what consern face dammage from doin Facial exercises? I did the some experience. My skin ist destroed all over my face. 2 month of facial exercises. And i did them correctly,

would like to hear Form you.
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Hello everyone,
This is a 3 year update, can't believe it's been so long. I had to stop posting and thinking about the damage I did to my face because it was destroying my life. I was in deep depression for about 6 months, it was really dark time. Many people, including friends and family, were not very helpful saying things like: stop being so superficial, there is more to a person than their looks etc etc. I knew that but I also knew that as a woman looks are important to us, and that no one has the right to shame me into not caring about the damage I had inflicted upon myself.

Eventually after a few months of this I went to see a face doctor to get some advice. He was really awesome and explained exactly what I had done to my face. It wasn't really the repetitions, or the type of the exercises. I did this one exercise incorrectly, I was pressing hard on the skin and muscles whilst moving the skin with my fingers. I created "pockets" in my face where I erased collagen and fat from underneath. You know when you press and press and press and eventually you create a hole. The face fat, muscle and collagen fibres underneath are very delicate. I "slimmed" those places of any fat or collagen. Without the connective tissue underneath the skin would just wrinkle and fold. That's why I ended up with multiple lines in those "empty" areas. Those areas were around the mouth. My lower lip ended up moving under the upper lip. It is amazing how millimeters can make such a profound difference in your appearance.

He basically said I had two choices: do nothing and wait for the body to fill out those "pockets" slowly with fat and collagen (the body remembers where everything is and is always working on homeostasis, bringing function and tissue to their original positions) or help the body with an injection of collagen/filler into those areas. He said it would be minimal amounts just to bring them back as close to how they were as possible. I went away and thought about it for a few weeks and ended up having a bit of filler into those "pockets". The difference was immediate, those wrinkles disappeared and my face was I would say 75% back to normal. That was 3 years ago in October 2015 and I never repeated the procedure. I stimulated the body to fill out those places and now it does it by itself. I have never been completely back to normal, but I have definitely made peace with the mistake and I am happy with the help I had received and with the way my face looks now.

Three years on, I'm 43 and considering doing some gentle face exercises. I would never press, push or pull on the skin again. If I do some exercises it would definitely be hands-off.

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Hi Solarflower

It has been long, but Iím glad to hear you are feeling better. I think its worth while point a few things out as people will no doubt read your post and be scared to try facial exercises. Most programs advise you to do a complete program. I donít know whether it was Petaís Facerobics you did or something else, but you choose to do only two exercises and at very high reps (150 reps) and most programs donít advocate that. I think its really important to realise this and offer it merely to others who are considering face exercises.

I also think pressing hard on the skin and muscles whilst moving the skin with my fingers can be beneficial. Just look at Stamford Bennett for example, he actually grew younger as a result of using pressure on the skin. Plus a lot of programs advocate resistance exercises and thatís pressing on the skin. I must admit that I often urge caution to youngsters (and by youngsters I mean 20-30 age group) as I think that is too young to begin facial exercises Ė but thatís just my personal opinion. However I got into the late Ė in my 50ís after losing weight and I have never looked back and wish I had done them earlier.

I donít think you can create a hole per se. That is biologically impossible according to science. So Iím skeptical if thatís what he told you Ė because he is bending the biology laws to suit his own purpose here. Connective tissue and fascia run throughout our bodies. What can happen as we age is that we have fat loss Ė especially if we have lost weight Ė as I did in my case.

For me, if I do facial exercises which are hands off Ė they donít deliver results, but Iím in my 70ís now. However I think if I was much younger Ė say 20-30 then I probably would follow your advice. Iím just offering this as a second opinion based on my experience.
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Hello TheresaMary, thanks for your reply. I'm not an expert on facial exercises (clearly!) but I would really strongly disagree with pressing hard on your face whilst moving the skin and muscles underneath. Perhaps it is ok if you're over 50 (I still don't think so) but I was 39 and it damaged my face. It was not bad advice from my doctor, I can assure you. I have before and after pictures that look absolutely terrible, and it was because I exercise my face too vigorously and without proper instruction. I DON'T recommend doing them off youtube at all. I had a very bad experience and it's not a leg that you can cover up, it was my face and it's the most visible part of your body. I see those comments everywhere. In fact I know that some youtubers who posted here don't show negative comments under their videos (mine never showed up even though I'd commented) so you have no idea what else happened to people. Also I was told by an expert from youtube that she'd also damaged her face in the beginning of doing facial exercises. That's why she is warning people now not to overexercise and to go slow. I have really been to hell and back with all this.

1. I did it all wrong, I admit, but that's what I said in my post above. If you are not sure what you are doing, don't do it.
2. I don't recommend pressing and moving muscles and the skin.
3. You are allowed to be sceptical about my experience, I'm not obsessed with people validating it. I know exactly what happened because I could see it, and people around me could see it.
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I know you disagree based on your limited experience, but believe me I press hard on my skin and it gives me great results, but Iíve worked up to it and there is no way on this planet I would have had the courage to do so early on. So I get where you are coming from. I was in my 50ís when I started facial exercises after rapid weight loss and major sagging as a result. However I didnít really press against the skin till my 60ís after reading Stamford Bennettís book.

The advice from your doctor I am really skeptical over Ė as I say it goes against what we know about biology in that you say he says you created pockets. Thatís simply not biologically possible is the thing Iím skeptical about. I donít doubt you had horrible results Ė but as I say its from not following a proper and balanced program.

Who is the expert you mention who damaged her face? I would be interested to know more.
I donít doubt your experience, simply the things the doctor said to you about creating pockets within the skin.

I've done facial exercises of all sorts over the last 20 plus years and I assure you - my skin isn't damaged. I also use Retin A and have done since the 60's. So thats some 50 plus years and then some. So I have seen facial exercises being beneficial for me, but like I said I am always dubious about youngsters doing it from 20-30 - it fills me with horror and I've seen too many disasters happening. Whilst the experts often suggest the persons haven't followed instructions - and I'm sure in some cases that is true the problems seem to outway and well over shadow the positives - in fact I don't know of anyone who advocately promotes doing facial exercises who is young and would be skeptical if they did.
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Hello TheresaMary, thanks for your reply. I'm not an expert on facial exercises (clearly!) but I would really strongly disagree with pressing hard on your face whilst moving the skin and muscles underneath. Perhaps it is ok if you're over 50 (I still don't think so) but I was 39 and it damaged my face. It was not bad advice from my doctor, I can assure you. I have before and after pictures that look absolutely terrible, and it was because I exercise my face too vigorously and without proper instruction. I DON'T recommend doing them off youtube at all. I had a very bad experience and it's not a leg that you can cover up, it was my face and it's the most visible part of your body. I see those comments everywhere. In fact I know that some youtubers who posted here don't show negative comments under their videos (mine never showed up even though I'd commented) so you have no idea what else happened to people. Also I was told by an expert from youtube that she'd also damaged her face in the beginning of doing facial exercises. That's why she is warning people now not to overexercise and to go slow. I have really been to hell and back with all this.

1. I did it all wrong, I admit, but that's what I said in my post above. If you are not sure what you are doing, don't do it.
2. I don't recommend pressing and moving muscles and the skin.
3. You are allowed to be sceptical about my experience, I'm not obsessed with people validating it. I know exactly what happened because I could see it, and people around me could see it.
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Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:36 pm      Reply with quote
Good luck everyone with the exercises, I'm not against them. Just find someone who knows what they're doing and learn from them.
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