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Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:58 pm  |
Beautify wrote that she had "heard" this cellbone stuff worked better than Alphaderma up above. But now she says that she used Alphaderma and the "firmness" washed away.
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Mon Aug 29, 2005 6:45 pm |
| You know I like the cellbone stuff but nothing beats the alphderma/okusil(IMO). Except Betterat40, I tried a sample of the CSRX Relax-a-line and that did a nice job too~ |
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Fair,sensitive,combination, skin. 38 yrs old~ |
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Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:08 am |
| I'm not sure if this has been addressed in another thread or not, but if peptides are affected by acidic environments, then does HA cause the pH to change enough to have any denaturing effects? |
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Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:22 am |
| betterat40 wrote: |
Beautify wrote that she had "heard" this cellbone stuff worked better than Alphaderma up above. But now she says that she used Alphaderma and the "firmness" washed away.
Huh? |
I don't understand "firmness washing away" either. 
When I first started using AlphaDerma CE 14 months ago I noted a nice firming upon application. Granted, you face is not going to firm up and stay that way unless you are consistant with a product. With continued use of AlphaDerma my face and neck are firm even after washing my face. Perhaps AlpaDermaCE is not for everyone but it been truely amazing for my skin.
I did get the free offer from Cellbone (very generous). For one week I gave up my AlphaDermaCE and used the Moist and Seal and a few other sample sizes they sent me. The consistency of Cellbone is very nice. However, after one week I noted my skin did not look or feel its best. Because of Copper Peptides in Cellbone I gave up my C&C in the AM. C Serum is a must in my routine. For me Cellbone doesn't come close to AlphaDermaCE. I have introduced some PSF line into my routine: Pumpkin Peel, Suncreen, Eye cream, toner and balancing lotion. PSF compliments my JB product nicely.  |
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Wed Aug 31, 2005 7:22 am |
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| For me Cellbone doesn't come close to AlphaDermaCE. I have introduced some PSF line into my routine: Pumpkin Peel, Suncreen, Eye cream, toner and balancing lotion. PSF compliments my JB product nicely. |
Me too. I've just started using JB prep, Okusil, and Alphaderma and will be ordering full size PSF Sincare products, Pumpkin Peel and the Hydrating Eye Treatment to use with the JB. |
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Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:57 pm |
I can't even imagine what my skin would look like if I had to quit using my C+ firming serum. First, from the crying,  , then from the lack of protection from the free radicals. Why, oh, why doesn't the industry push C and sunscreen from the very earliest ages.... |
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Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:02 pm |
reposting for StRicky1013
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First off, with anything like this, I would recommend talking to a dermatologist or an Estitician, and I wish you luck in your quest in looking for and finding a product that's exacty or similar to what you would like in an anti-aging skin care serum or mooisturizer !!!
The manufacturers of Matrixyl, (Sederma), recommend a usage rate of 3% to 8% in a facial skin care serum or moisturizer for it to be effective, and warn that concentrations significantly above their recommended usage rates will provide no additional benefit to the skin and may in fact be problematic and could possibly damage the skin. More does not mean better.
ALSO, I've been reading A LOT in recent months regarding the ingredient DMAE and if it really does help to " Lift and Firm " the skin and from what I've read, all the hype regarding DMAE is very overractive. I copied and pasted this from a website called " Smart Skin care(Smartskincare.com ) ...
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Interestingly, DMAE is far better known and researched as a "smart drug" than a skin firming agent. In a number of studies, DMAE has been shown to reduce age-related decline in cognitive ability and memory. It was also found to modestly increase life span of laboratory animals. An intriguing finding in some DMAE studies was that it reduced the accumulation of lipofuscin deposits inside cells. Lipofuscin is a cellular pigment consisting of aggregated chunks of molecular waste. It tends to occur in the cells of older people. It is likely that lipofuscin is not simply a byproduct of aging but also contributes to the aging process. Neurons, heart and skin of older people usually contain particularly large amounts of lipofiscin.
The DMAE-skin connection is less researched. It has been demonstrated that DMAE causes some degree of skin tightening. However, despite speculation it remains unclear how DMAE firms the skin -- whether by stabilizing the membranes, boosting acetylcholine, reducing lipofuscin deposits or none of the above. Whatever the mechanism, the effect of DMAE is often noticeable although seldom dramatic. Besides, even though DMAE can't fully reverse the existing facial sag, it may reduce its further progression. Some people report a cumulative effect with continued use of DMAE. |
It's kind of similar when a product says it has Collagen in it and many people think/ believe that collagen in a moisturizer will help produce more collagen in our skin and the fine lines and wrinkles will start to go away, when in reality, the ONLY thing good about collagen in a moisturizer is that it is an emollient, it helps retain moisture into the skin, in other words, collagen in a skin care serum or moisturizer is just another moisturizing ingredient. Collagen molecules are too large to be absorbed into the skin and even if they did, it does not mean that the collagen in a moisturizer will be " additional collagen in our skin, ONLY our body' s can produce the specific types of collagen our skin looses as we age and using skin care products with peptides ( Matrixyl ) and neuropeptides ( Argireline ), and also Vitamin C and Retinol help "trick " the body into producing more collagen. We can't " topically add " collagen into our bodies through a skin care serum or moisturizer and think we are adding the same kind of collagen our bodys produce. The collagen used in skin care products is extracted from marine or bovine sources, added to cosmetic formulas, and marketed as the answer to reversing the" aging " process.
That's about it. I hope this was of some kind of help for you and for anyone else.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS !!!
Ricky |
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