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Ollie
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Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:55 am      Reply with quote
Does anyone have any good exercises that really helps to restore volume in the marionette line area? Something that actually works!!!
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Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:02 am      Reply with quote
Since no one else answered this I'll say what I think..
There's not one thing, in my opinion, that tackles these issues on its own (except fillers and surgery).

Face exercises should be done as a whole and not spot exercises (or you can create problems)
Likewise, it depends on if we're talking about something that's caused by aging (sagging) or genetics.
I feel like I've made a dramatic change in my appearance (lines that were forming at my mouth to chin area) by using a combination of things...this would include retin-A, Vit C serum, dermarolling...and a dermapen, face exercise, microcurrent and light therapy..also a few peels here and there.
I haven't tried laser but that also is said to help.
I haven't done these things all at once, of course...but a progression.
You have to tackle the cause...usually sagging where the fat migrates downward and expression lines set in...and also stimulate collagen and address fine lines that are left behind.

It takes time and effort but if you're not going the filler/surgery route you have to have patience. You will see results.
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:50 am      Reply with quote
Filler. Quick. Easy. Lasts! Love it.
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:36 am      Reply with quote
There's nothing wrong with fillers or surgery. But it's just not for everyone...for various reasons.

I do like the idea of doing as much as I can on my own and not relying on something outside of my own resources. And so far it's working pretty well for me.
If I retire to a small European town in the next several years I won't be going to visit any Drs for a shot.
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:15 am      Reply with quote
Best of luck to you! I tried everything under the sun. For a few hundred dollars a year, painlessly in minutes with an ingredient my body already makes - hyaluronic acid - those lines are gone. And it encourages new collagen to form.

Incredible for lip lines, too. I'm 100% satisfied with this method.

If you find another way, hope to hear about it!
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Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:58 am      Reply with quote
I have successfully got rid of my ML folds. I must admit upfront though that they were never a concern for me because I always had them Ė and my mother and her mother did too so I just wrongly guessed I would have them forever.

Iím too much of a chicken to do deramrolling and have used Retin A for many years. Also surgery is great for some, but it scares the hell out of me.

As I say I just always thought I had them and so never gave them much attention or concern. For me the sagging and turkey waddle were my main concerns. I did facial exercises and a variety of programs for several years but what worked for me was the FlexEffect cross stretching technique. Now I went against the recommendations - not going to lie to you, and didnít follow protocol and started it from day one and didnít do it specifically for my NLs. I had been doing it for a while and it was my hubby who made a comment about them looking less pronounced. I laughed, thinking he was just being sweet as usual and checked the mirror and realized he was right.
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Best of luck to you! I tried everything under the sun. For a few hundred dollars a year, painlessly in minutes with an ingredient my body already makes - hyaluronic acid - those lines are gone. And it encourages new collagen to form.

Incredible for lip lines, too. I'm 100% satisfied with this method.

If you find another way, hope to hear about it
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Thank you... but I already have found another way and it has worked for me. Although I wouldn't call it luck.. Except for the genes.

Most people have more than one issue to address and it is rewarding to find the tools that address them. Of course, everything doesn't work for everyone and every tactic isn't right for everyone.
But I'm very happy for what has worked for me and appreciate the options available for us all.
I think it's important that people do see that there are choices that do exist and that they are valid.
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Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:07 pm      Reply with quote
I did facial exercise with FlexEffect for a long time. They gave me neck cords and more wrinkles. I wish I had never done them. If you look at her website, and it's been a decade since I've been there - her photos are still unconvincing. And the "before and after" photos of the customers are less than exciting. No thanks. For me, it actually harmed my face.
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Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:31 am      Reply with quote
Okay this is one of my beefs too. Not with just FlexEffect but all the programs out there re photos. I mean donít get me wrong Ė I believe in them and know that they work but why oh why hasnít there been any proper studies done on it and photos done. I remember reading somewhere that Deb did work in a hospital so they surely would have some means of tracking their patients progress right?

Sorry to hear of your results JaeBlue. Can I ask how old you are? I truly donít believe there is a one size fits all system out there no matter what people say. FlexEffect worked for me but I was in my 50ís and dealing with the aftermath of weightloss. Did you speak to the trainers (not sure if they are still there or have left?). They are usually very helpful!
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I did facial exercise with FlexEffect for a long time. They gave me neck cords and more wrinkles. I wish I had never done them. If you look at her website, and it's been a decade since I've been there - her photos are still unconvincing. And the "before and after" photos of the customers are less than exciting. No thanks. For me, it actually harmed my face.
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Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:57 pm      Reply with quote
TheresaMary wrote:
Okay this is one of my beefs too. Not with just FlexEffect but all the programs out there re photos. I mean donít get me wrong Ė I believe in them and know that they work but why oh why hasnít there been any proper studies done on it and photos done. I remember reading somewhere that Deb did work in a hospital so they surely would have some means of tracking their patients progress right?

Sorry to hear of your results JaeBlue. Can I ask how old you are? I truly donít believe there is a one size fits all system out there no matter what people say. FlexEffect worked for me but I was in my 50ís and dealing with the aftermath of weightloss. Did you speak to the trainers (not sure if they are still there or have left?). They are usually very helpful!
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I did facial exercise with FlexEffect for a long time. They gave me neck cords and more wrinkles. I wish I had never done them. If you look at her website, and it's been a decade since I've been there - her photos are still unconvincing. And the "before and after" photos of the customers are less than exciting. No thanks. For me, it actually harmed my face.


TheresaMary, do you mind if I ask how much weight you lost, where you noticed a change in your face? Also, what kinds of changes did you see? I'd like to lose about 20 or so lbs but I'm afraid my marionette lines will get worse. Did anything work for you during this time? Any suggestions?
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Thu Dec 31, 2015 3:03 am      Reply with quote
No I donít mind you asking Ė it was about 40 lbs and I did it using weight watchers calorie counting. I had always been heavy though since having my sons in my early 30ís and so I was just in a - with my hormones etc. Whilst its common nowadays and I could easily identify looking back I hate depression and someone made a comment that gave me enough motivation to get serious and I lost a lot of weight rapidly and the worst place it showed was on my face (and I was 50 at the time!). I always had marionette lines and they were never a concern, but for me it was the sagging jawline and neck, and my cheeks were just plain old flat. So I grabbed whatever I could get my hands on. Internet wasnít readily available back then (early 90ís) and so I did lots of asking around. I have done many programs over the last few years and nowadays do a combo of them which suits my face but it took time to discover that. I started later compared to most and have got good results so would say try everything and see what works for you! Donít be swayed if you read about something working for someone else and it not working for you Ė there will be something out there that can/does.
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