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Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:20 am |
I'm so excited to try this out. It was being pushed hard over at MUA. I love my Shisedio spf 55 but the PPD is only 8 or so. This one is around 20 and water/sand/sweat resistant, too. Since it's hotter than h#$% here, I need something that won't run off when I sweat during runs, etc. I got it from Wasabina on ebay. She ships from Spain. I got it within 7 days!!!! of ordering. On the other hand, I am still waiting for some Anthelios and Photoderma to come from Physea.com in France.
I paid $37 plus $12 shipping for two 100ml tubes of the LRP-Dermo-Pediatrics. Since Shiseido costs me $35, I consider this a deal. Also, the expiry date on both tubes is 1/08. So, Yahoo!!!!
In my initial test run, it goes on a bit runny, sticky at first but dries to a nice soft, matte finish. Feels powdery. We'll see how it holds up when I go biking/running, etc. later today. Combined with my C+ serum under it, sunglasses, hat, I hope that I am really going to be blocking out the UVA/UVB as much as is humanly possible. |
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Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:37 am |
Please keep us posted on the LRP Dermo Pediatrics sunscreen in the next few days. I've been reading about it too and want to try it as well. I'm so tired of greasy sunscreens.
I'm currently switching between LRP Anthelios Fluid Extreme 40 and LRP Anthelios W Gel 40. I love the protection, but both leave my skin oily. DHC White 25 is ordered and on the way, which I heard was good too. I have Shiseido 55 as well, but I think it breaks me out.
-Cheri |
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Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:49 am |
Definitely will keep everyone posted on how it works out. Good luck with your DHC, too. |
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Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:30 pm |
betterat40,
I'm so glad that you purchased these s/s. I have been wanting to try many European ones for so long but just can't figure out which ones to try. To date I have sampled about 4 different ones from Bioderma. Although I liked the texture of one of them (can't think of the name) it clogged my pores and made my face red. Seems as though most of Bioderma ones that I have tried do this. Can't wait to read your review of the LRP Derm. Hope it works well for you!
P.S. Do you know anything about ROC Minerols s/s?
Lisa |
_________________ Early 40's, normal/dry, Oily T zone (summer) fine lines, hyperpigmentation |
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Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:48 pm |
The link didn't work for me. The sellers id is wasabina and she always has LRP sunscreen up for auction. This is the LaRoche-Posay Dermo-Pediatrics (in a box) spf 40/ppd14. Hope that helps! |
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Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:56 pm |
Lifeplyr, I'm waiting for some Bioderma from Physea.com (very slow shipping)and some Anthelios. So I'll have lots of comparing and testing to do. I think this LRP Dermo-Ped is a great sunscreen in terms of formulation/protection but wow, is it ever shiny-looking at first. It does dry a bit to a semi-matte finish but it's still pretty shiny. I blotted down with a bit of pressed powder and that did the trick though. I still think Shiseido wins hands-down for finish but that PPD of 8 is just not enough for me. I run/bike/ski outside and need something a bit stronger. I'm still test-driving the LRP Dermo-Ped in terms of outdoor sports. Today, sweating like crazy while running, I looked down to see little pools of white liquid in the crooks of my tired arms. I wiped it away/rubbed in but I must say I did not expect this stuff to run considering it says water/sweat resistant on the bottle. However, I like to use Coppertone rip-off Target brand spf on my body so not so concerned about that. The thing is I could not see my face so wonder if I had a river of white stuff running off of it. Will have to ask a friend next time we run together. Maybe I will have to put the hardy, very, very water/sweat resistant Shiseido under my LRP? What a pain, eh? |
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Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:12 pm |
Hi Betterat40,
I'm not surprised that the Dermo-Ped "emulsified" into milk. All LRP sunscreens do this. It doesn't mean that the whole stuff is gone from the skin - there is still the very resistant oily phase of it left. Hwoever, when it emulsifies, the SPF and PPD are definitely affected.
I just thought also that I should warn you about mixing LRP with Shiseido. A few Shiseidos contain OMC and/or physical screens - all of which degrade Avobenzone in LRP. I'm not sure if Dermo-Ped contains Avobenzone; I'm assuming it does? |
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Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:21 pm |
I don't know all the chemical names for Avobenzone so here's the list of ingredients off the LRP-DP box:
Forgive any misspellings...
water, c12-15alkyl benzoate, cyclopenatalisloxane, alcohol denatured, isohexadecan, cyclohexasiloxane, ethylhexyl salixylate, titanium dioxide, butyly methoxydibenzoylmethane, octocrylene, peg-30 dipolyhdroxystearate, bis-ethylhexyloxyphenol, methosypehnyl trizine, glycerin, prop. glyco, lauryl peg/ppg18/18 methicone, terephthalylidene dicamphor sulfonic acid, butylparaben,dimethicone, drometrizole, trisiloxane, ethylhexyl triazone, ethylparaben, glycine soja/soybean oil, isobutylparaben, methylparaben, pentasodium ethylenediamine teratmethylene phosphonate, phenoxethanol, propylparaben, tocopherol, triethanolamine.
GEEZ! my fingers are exhausted. If anyone knows what any of that is - hats off to you! |
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Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:03 pm |
Yes, it contains avo - butyl methoxydibenzoylmethane - 9th ingredient on the list.
Other actives: Octisalate, TiO2, Tinosorb S, Mexoryl SX and XL, octyl triazone. |
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Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:02 am |
Better: Are you in the US? I'm looking forward to your review as I'd like to try a Mexoryl product. |
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Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:21 am |
I got all excited about the LRP Dermo-Ped so I ordered 2 tubes Wednesday from that ebay seller. I got mine today! 2 days from Spain!
I ordered the spf 60 so mine was just a tad more expensive. I just rubbed it on my hands and arms and so far it is really matte. Will update when I can use it on my face.
-Cheri |
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Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:53 am |
That's great, Cheri! Big Bird thanks for the ingredient definitions and the advice not to mix with the Shiseido. Indeed it does contain octinoxate and ZiO2 as the active ingredients so would screw up the LRP. Today, with less high temps, I find the LRP has a more matte finish. I am wondering now if it just emulsifies on its own at extremely hot temps. It was over 100 yesterday so I wonder if it separates even on my skin when the outside temp is hot, hot, hot. Today it's in low 90's and the finish is matte. Is this possible? |
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Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:16 pm |
Bad Bird wrote: |
I just thought also that I should warn you about mixing LRP with Shiseido. A few Shiseidos contain OMC and/or physical screens - all of which degrade Avobenzone in LRP. I'm not sure if Dermo-Ped contains Avobenzone; I'm assuming it does? |
So perhaps even our makeup (i.e. foundation w/ SS) could be degrading our extra sunscreen? Will the stability issues ever end? Luckily I rarely wear foundation anymore. |
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Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:34 pm |
Hi Betterat40,
No, it shouldn't emulsify on its own and heat doesn't affect it. Not unless the heat causes your skin to sweat - you'll see little beads of milk on the skin above your upper lip, for example. |
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Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:36 pm |
Phredd4 - it's actually just the avo that's the problem. It is fully stabilised in the LRP formulas, but when OMC and/or metal ions are present, then it degrades, even when stabilised. |
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Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:57 pm |
Just got my Anthelios spf 40 fluide extreme ppd 17 and my Photoderm BioLait spf 30 Milk ppd 20. So, let the sunscreen games begin!!!! I will compare all finishes, including my current Shiseido and LRP Dermo-Pediatrics and report back.
These two came fromwww.Physea.com which is located apparently in very chic, St. Barts! No wonder it took almost three weeks to arrive. I suppose the island culture is very laissez-faire and who can blame them? |
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Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:17 pm |
2 LA ROCHE POSAY ANTHELIOS XL 60 CHILDREN WITH MEXORYL is the title of the auction I was looking at. You must copy and paste the url into the browser. No where in the description does she mention Dermo-Pediatrics but now I can see in the picture of the box on the auction page, that is what the auction is for.
I am looking for a Mexoryl product that dries matt for my body and am interested in this one. Thanks betterat40, I hope it holds up well while you are doing all that exercise. |
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Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:52 pm |
Hey there---
It's been a while since I've written! Just been reading this thread and I was wondering what the difference is between Anthelios 60 and the Dermo-Ped that you are referring to...I anthelios and it is one of the only sunscreens allowed in the house [Solibar is the other]. My mother is a Dermatologist and we stock up on Anthelios when we go abroad! Anthelios 60 is very matt and thick and takes a while to absorb when I put it on my face. I did, however, just return from Africa, where the sun can be overbearing, and I returned with not a single burn (and I was sure my large nose was going to get it!!)
I will look up Dermo-Ped on ebay to see what I can find...
Thanks!! |
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Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:37 pm |
I'm not sure what the diff. is. I thought the Dermo-Ped was a newer product and specifically for kids. I wanted to try it cuz I read it might have the durability and protection I need for working out in the heat. |
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Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:41 am |
I think the main difference is that the Dermo-Ped uses a different stabilising agent for the Avo. M gues is that LRP is trying to make a less oily sunscreen because the usual stabilising active, Octocrylene, is oil-soluble. |
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Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:33 am |
Bad Bird, when you said the octinoxate in the Shiseido would destabilize the avobenzone in the LRP, given the other UVA protection in the LRP (Mexoryl/Tinosorb?), do you still think the protection of these layered would be PPD 14 or so? I love the durability of the Shiseido and the PPD of the LRP-Dermo-Ped. but it doesn't seem able to withstand an outdoor workout without being runny. I was hoping the Shiseido would "stick" and keep on protecting my face once the LRP started running.
Geez. What a pain to protect your skin from the sun.
I can't wait for the day when they come up with some sort of "dip" where twice each year or so you go get dipped!!! and then you are automatically protected for months at a time. Any chances of this happening, Bad Bird? |
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Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:42 am |
Hahaha! I would LOVE for the dip to become reality!
Seriously though, it is not advisable to layer the Shiseido and LRP. Degraded actives, apart from not giving you the protection you think you are getting (and avo is added for its UVA protection), will generate free radicals which you are trying so hard to protect from in the first place.
I myself wish there's a more waterproof formula from LRP. What about your Bioderma? You may also want to try the Avene formulas. These still emulsify but to a lesser degree, and they are more heavy duty. I have the Avene Emulsion SPF60 (PPD estimated to be >20), and the majority of it has remained on my face after profuse sweating. |
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