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Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:51 am |
I've been reading all the info posted about the different sunscreens and after spending hours reading my head hurts and I'm very confused.
From what I could gather from the SS experts, I ran out and bought some (Canadian) Ombrelle SPF 45. I wore it 2 days in a row and I've never experienced an acne breakout as badly as I have from this stuff despite it's claims to be non-comedogenic....Zits EVERYWHERE!!!
I'm so disappointed because I really want to have excellent UVA/UVB protection.
I was using a sunscreen containing Octyl Methoxycinnamate (7.5%) Octyl Salicylate 5.0%) and Oxybenzone (3.0%) without any acne problems but from what I think I've learned it's not photostable???? Yes?
So can I bother the SS experts to once again suggest a good sunscreen (that's available in Canada) that won't break me out???
I'd really appreciate it!
Thanks!
Dianne |
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Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:18 pm |
Hi Dianne,
Really sorry to hear about your breakout problem. Have you stopped using Ombrelle and if so, has the breakout stopped?
What are you using to remove the Ombrelle?
Sometimes, your skin breaks out when adapting to the oilier sunscreens. For me, at least, I stopped breaking out after a week or so after starting LRP sunscreens. So you may want to persevere with the Ombrelle and see whether your breakout gets better. |
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Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:06 pm |
I have 2 sunscreens that I like that do not cause zits or heat rash:
1.) Kenysis - $12 at london drugs (they have small sample sizes too). It's a spray and feels greasy but is oil free. Sinks in quickly. It's parsol #(some number I can't remember off-hand)
2.) Skinceuticals Daily Defense - 5% transparent zinc-oxide. I sometimes use this instead of a moisturizer if I'm going to be wearing makeup. It is a bit moisturizing and feels heavy. Plan 10 minutes between putting it on and applying makeup. |
_________________ Combination - dehyrdated, acne, sensitive, late 20's. |
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Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:40 pm |
Hi Bad Bird,
Thanks for the reply. Yes after I stopped using the Ombrelle, the breakouts stopped. I'm really kind of terrified to try it again (I know that sounds ridiculously stupid). I have acne prone skin which I can usually control with retin-A and a salicylic acid cleanser. It's taken me a looooooooong time to finally get a good skincare routine going that controls it. I usually get one or two pimples a week and almost always only on my chin, but after the Ombrelle, I got over 20 large pimples all over my face! YIKES, the horror!
I was thinking how fortunate I was to be in Canada and have access to the mexoryl ones. The lady in the store was trying to sell me on Marcelle's sunscreen. It too has mexoryl (something she didn't know until I pointed it out to her which shows I am learning some things here ) she said it was gentle. She uses it and it doesn't cause her any problems, she said she gets rashes from some sunblocks but she didn't mention being acne prone. So although it's probably good for sensitive skin, I don't know if it's any good for acne prone skin. Is mexoryl itself the culprit do you think or is it the other ingredients? The Marcelle's is quite expensive though for a tiny little bottle. However I only need it for my face, I can still use the Ombrelle on my body. The ingredients I posted on the other one I was using aren't photostable are they?
Lianne, thank you as well for the suggestions. I will be in LD's tomorrow so will definitely check it out. Can it be worn under makeup? It would be nice to find one that is moisturizing as well but after my zit-fest over the past few days, I'll be happy just to find one that has good UVA/UVB protection, is photostable and doesn't break me out. The price sure sounds right:) |
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Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:35 pm |
Hi Dianne,
I think it's not the Mex per se which is breaking you out. The Loreal group of sunscreens have a few oil-soluble actives which make the formulas quite oily and fairly water resistant.
If you can use the Ombrelle for the body, then you may want to try La Roche Posay's SPF45 Lait or the new spray (can't remember whether it is SPF45 or 30), but maybe wait till your spots have resolved somewhat before you try again. The formulas tend to get lighter as the SPF drops, so if you're not so particular about high protection, then that's another alternative.
If you want a moisturising formula, then try LRP's Hydraphase SPF30 moisturiser. |
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Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:39 pm |
what about trying dermalogica sunscreens? They are non-cosmogenic
try to get a sample and see if you breakout or not. |
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Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:35 pm |
Bad Bird can I get those here in BC, Canada? If so I'll look for them tomorrow. Weather forecasters are saying that summer is actually about to start this week so I need to find something quick.
After reading as much as my eyes can possibly handle, I have written down some of the more important points regarding sunscreen that I've learned on this forum and I thought I'd summarize and take those with me tomorrow on my quest. For those others who like me, might be sunscreen challenged, this is what I've learned in point form....
-Parsol and Avobenzone are the same thing
-Parsol is not photostable unless it contains octocylene in it (or mexoryl or tinosorb) however if it also contains octinoxate or octyl Methoxycinnamate it is not stable
-zinc oxide is better protection than Parsol
-Titanium dioxide and zinc tend to cause breakouts
-Titanium dioxide will leave a white cast
-sunscreen is photostable if it contains one or more of the following as the main ingredient
*zinc oxide
*mexoryl or tinosorb
*titanium dioxide
*Avobenzone (Parsol) if stabilized
with octocylene
Have I got it right? Bad Bird please add to this list if I've missed anything else important. |
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Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:01 pm |
I have used the Shiseido spf 55 for a long time and it never broke me out. The PPD is only 8 plus or so though. Not the highest UVA protection. Right now test driving the LRP FE 40, the LRP Dermo-Pediatrics, and the Bioderma Lait. LRP FE seems to have the least oily finish. |
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Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:04 pm |
Yes, Dianne. You can get those in Shoppers. Do you have a Shoppers near you?
You've made a good summary. Don't think I have anything to add. |
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Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:17 pm |
Yes Bad Bird, I have a shopper's very close by so I'll check it out tomorrow, thank you!
Betterat40, of the LRP's that you are using, which do you think is the least comedogenic? How can the Shiseido have an spf of 55 and only a PPD of only 8? I have so much to learn...sigh.
BCgirl I really like the looks of the dermalogica solar booster but what bothers me is that the only active listed is Parsol. From what I've read Parsol is only photostable if it has another active such as octocylene in it. Maybe it does and it's just not listed??? If so, that would be a really good option. |
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Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:23 pm |
Dianne, that is a great summary of sunscreen info, thanks for posting it!! Should be a sticky!
I tried Ombrelle 30 with mexoryl and it burnt my face! I got all scaley and red, it was awful. I don't know what it is that caused the reaction. I'm now using Avene physical block spf 25 fluid I think it's called with zinc and titanium dioxide. I have not broke out from it nor has my skin reacted by freaking out any other way. I *should* be breaking out from it though it isn't. Go figure. |
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Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:03 pm |
Sorry Dianne that you broke out. Nothing is worse than that. Especially, when you think that you had your skin figured out.
I have oily skin, and am currently using Shiseido Anessa. I bought it online. It sort of leaves a matte finish, which I prefer. I don't know its PPD (BTW, what is that?). But I am very prone to sun, and it has been great in not breaking me out, and in protecting my skin from my sun. |
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Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:42 pm |
Quako what are the actives in the Shiseido does it say on the bottle? That one sounds nice.
Lolli where did you get the Avene?
You know for weeks I've been reading about the different sunscreens and as you know there are so many links and pages and pages of information on this forum which for me was really confusing. I just wasn't retaining any of it, but once I started writing it down in point form, it started to make some sense. That's why I posted it like that so others who are also sunscreen challenged could look at it and easily get the important bits without getting as confused as I was from reading all the different posts. |
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Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:49 pm |
Hi Dianne. Sorry, the writings on the bottle is in Japanese, so I cannot tell you what they are.
BTW, I just bought the Avene sunblock because many people were raving about it. I have not tried it yet. Will do so in a couple of days. I bought mine fromwww.bce-europe.com |
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Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:54 pm |
I love shesiedo's sunscreens and also jan marini's. |
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