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Thu Jul 14, 2005 8:38 am |
So, upon looking closely at my face today (not recommended as almost guaranteed to find some *flaw*) I noticed that I am just starting to get that line from my nose to my mouth. At the moment, it is really faint and can only be seen at some angles, so I think now is the time to combat it. Should I use a product like relax-a-line on it, or is there something better to slow it down?? Is there a facial exercise that combats that one line? TIA |
_________________ ~normal but prone to dryness~slightly sensitive~usually clear~totm breakouts~mid 20s~ |
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Thu Jul 14, 2005 9:56 am |
How about a Vit. C serum???? |
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Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:54 am |
Faith,
If I were you I would start to use an amino-peptide complex (like Relax-A-Line) at the first sight of lines. Those types of products (AHP-3's) are for prevention, which is just what you want. As for facial exercises, I know that there are some people who belive in them, but from what I've read & been trained in, I would NEVER do facial exercises, as they just cause more wrinkling. I've always been taught that the only facial exercise that you should ever do is the one for firming the decolletee, which will not help the face at all. That's just my two-cents. But I'm sure that others will give you their advice or experiences with it.
Good luck!
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_________________ Pure Skin Formulations, LLC | http://www.psfskincare.com |
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Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:12 pm |
I agree on the C, the wrinkle relaxer like Relax-A-Line or Relax Vialox(even stronger) but also you might want to start using a Retin-A product. They are great for getting rid of fine lines. Though you must use for months before seeing results, you will see great results. If your skin is sensitive, you might try Retin-A Micro which is less likely to make your skin flaky. |
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Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:26 pm |
betterat40: Do you use Retin A right under your eye area? |
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Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:09 pm |
Thanks everyone |
_________________ ~normal but prone to dryness~slightly sensitive~usually clear~totm breakouts~mid 20s~ |
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Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:54 pm |
Not up to the lash line. I put it on the eye area right on the brow bone and a bit above. Be warned, when you first start using Retin-A there, it looks AWFUL for a couple of weeks then the skin seems to adjust and the area looks much better, firmer.... |
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Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:37 pm |
I use frownies or scotch tape. I no longer need restylane (haven't had it in over three years) for the naso labial lines. I'm over forty now. Most of mine were caused from sleeping on my side. |
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Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:09 pm |
Me too hermione, I'm trying really hard to quit sleeping on my side, I'm noticing creases going down from the bottom corners of my eyes to the cheek area in the mornings when I wake up. It is taking longer for them to fade away, sometimes they are there till noon! I think they are going to be permanent if I don't break that bad habit of burrowing my face into the pillow |
_________________ PROUD FTM @ 40 TO CARTER-BORN APRIL 12, 2006...Sensitive dry skintype...prone to excema |
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Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:12 pm |
I would use vit C and do facila exercises. Before I used any skin care wrinkle products I did these exercises often and saw major improvement. You are moving the muscles in ways they are not used to so that may be one reason they work. Another is that there is a large body of work showing activity stressing tissue etc. causes collagen growth. That is good. I know people who try not to smile broadly etc. because they've bought the line to limit facial movement but what a way to lead your life!
I would not use the muscle relaxers at such a young age especially not Botox. Why. Do a keywork search in MEDLINE on botox and atrophy.
What you will find is quite a few studies where they biopsy'd the muscle treated with Botox and found significant muscle atrophy and cumulative serious atrophy for people who use it a lot. (In fact "character" actors who need a full range of facial expressions are told not to use it) While this may not matter for occasional users, for people using it regularly for 15 or 20 years however I'd expect really bad effects such as no facial expression and sagging. Do the topicals do the same thing? If they work the same way the answer is likely yes but since they are not as strong likely to a lesser extent.
Vitamin C in many studies has been shown to limit sun damage and stimulate collagen production. If you've been reading this site much you'll see that of any ingredient it has likely helped the most people. This is backed by real research (unlike the peptide products that have no support in peer reviewed literature although may in the near futrure: Matrixyl which is not a muscle relaxer has been shown by a reputable university to stimulate collagen growth and better ones may be available in the future).
At your very young age I would go with products that work slowly and have no possible long term bad effects. There are products like vit C that do work for most people and will also give you a "glowing" complexion. Which you use depends on your skin type there are many threads here discussing the options. |
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Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:09 am |
Those nose to mouth lines are really hard to dissuade...is anyone using anything that has actually significantly diminished the look of the nose to mouth lines? I'd love to hear!
Pudoodles |
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Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:35 am |
I am putting my DIY relax-a-line on them, but it is not working; maybe it just takes longer. |
_________________ ~normal but prone to dryness~slightly sensitive~usually clear~totm breakouts~mid 20s~ |
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Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:14 am |
How did you make it yourself? |
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Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:24 am |
I bought the ingredients from the personalformulator.com . I used the TPF ANTI-WRINKLE SYSTEM which contains 65% Argireline and 35% Matrixyl 3000, though. They do have just Argireline too. I also used HA and algae extract. This was the recipe base: http://www.thepersonalformulator.com/formulations/antiwrinklesys.htm
You will have to modify the amounts though if you want to add things like HA, algae, or green tea. I bought the cobalt blue bottles too, and gave some to my friends; I made alot!! They think it is great!
Guapagirl made one too, and somewhere in the DIY thread, I asked about making this, and there is a link to her recipe too! |
_________________ ~normal but prone to dryness~slightly sensitive~usually clear~totm breakouts~mid 20s~ |
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Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:48 am |
Cool! Thanks for the info. I have found that those naso-labial lines are just so hard to change. I think they almost practically require a filler or a feather lift to change the contour. |
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Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:41 am |
betterat40 wrote: |
Cool! Thanks for the info. I have found that those naso-labial lines are just so hard to change. I think they almost practically require a filler or a feather lift to change the contour. |
I totally agree...my sister has been fighting predominant lining (or as she calls it - the hounddog look) in that area since the beginning of time...She finally caved in and got Perlane injections.....instant results...
Pudoodles |
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Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:30 pm |
Hi,
Because my lines were from sleeping, the scotch or magic tape gave results within a week or so. Although I think some would have to be careful if they had a reaction to the adhesive. The results look the same as when I used to have restylane. Might be worth a shot |
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Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:43 pm |
faith - Just tonight on CNN (I think), there was a feature about anti-aging products, etc. and Dr. Lisa Airan was a guest. She's often in the fashion pages/magazines because she's NY based and she's youngish, cute and well-dressed. Anyway, she said something that really caught my attention: (in so many words) that our skin becomes inured to using certain products regularly which, over time, renders them ineffective. I thought of you because you're so young and yet you use some products that many women don't start using until they're much older. Now this is just ONE opinion, but it's something to think about. Another thought is that maybe you're using too many products and your skin is getting a bit brittle from them. The naso-labial line that's worrying you could possibly be the result of over-doing it.
faith - I hope I haven't offended you by saying these things. You're such a helpful, courteous forum member, and you always treat everyone with kindness and consideration. I don't take your worry lightly -- I may be getting old but I (and probably most of us here) can remember our first facial lines -- it's a scary experience, to be sure. |
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Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:07 pm |
hi April!
No, you haven't offended me. I guess I am a little *obsessed* with anti-aging products, but I don't think I am using anything that is too strong. The DIY relax-a-line is the strongest thing I use ATM, but that is only on the lines. The nose to mouth line is just starting so I was hoping to stop it. To be honest, I have a feeling it was probably precipitated from smoking. The main thing I use are anti-oxidants, and in my opinion, one can never be too young to use something like C serum. I do also use some AHA products occasionally.
Now, obviously I am not a derm or anything, but I do have a differing opinion from the doctor on CNN. I think that since our skin cells renew and change they can't really get used to 1 product. And, if they can (I really have thought about this ), I am thinking that I will be using all different products later anyway. There are new things that I want to try weekly. |
_________________ ~normal but prone to dryness~slightly sensitive~usually clear~totm breakouts~mid 20s~ |
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Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:25 pm |
I have fine lines on my forehead too.IS relax-a-line ok for oily T zone?I tried ALphaderma CE and it fact just made me more oily!! |
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Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:29 pm |
I can't see why not. I don't think it would make you oily... |
_________________ ~normal but prone to dryness~slightly sensitive~usually clear~totm breakouts~mid 20s~ |
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