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Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:53 pm |
Hi again Google5
OCM is "Oil Cleansing Method".
I had mentioned the Oil Cleansing Method earlier in my post ... so just used the shortform ... OCM ... later on.
Mary |
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Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:15 pm |
as everyone mentioned, you are definitely over doing it with the cleansing and topicals. both triaz and duac contain bp and applying these products 3 times per day and using retin A nightly is over kill. did your derm suggest these doses?
doxycyclin is a tetracycline antibiotic typically prescribed by derms to treat bacterial infections and clydomyicin - do you mean clindamycin? if so this too is an antibiotic used to treat bacterial infections (in the skin). neither of these pills should have any interactions with the products you apply to your skin, duac actually contains clindamycin.
may i suggest for you to use these meds for at least 1-3 months since they were prescribed by your derm. may i also suggest for you to cut back on washing your face to only once in the morning and once at night (if your skin becomes oily during the day, blott with tissue). apply duac in the morning after cleansing and (if needed) triaz in the afternoon. and apply retin A every other night (wait 20-30 minutes after cleansing). the only thing i think you should add to your regimen as of now is eurecin sensitive facial skin protective moisture lotion SPF 30 (it contains both titanium dioxide and zinc oxide and will protect discolored spots left after blemishes from becoming darker). and you may want to use cetaphil gentle cleanser instead of the aveeno cleanser. you can purchase both products at almost any drug store for under 20 bucks.
if after 3 months you don't see any improvement, and if your acne is cystic, you may want to talk with your parents again about giving accutane a try. it is a seroius drug with many side effects but with all the precautions i don't think your derm would have suggested it unless he/she felt you would benefit from it. i don't know what kind of relationship you have with your parents but i think it is important to let them know just how painful this is for you. |
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Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:28 pm |
Ok, now i really am getting overwhelmed with all of this... is this what i should be trying/doing?
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Recipe for CareKate’s homemade ACV Super Toner:
What you’ll need:
• Apple Cider Vinegar • Clean, empty 8 ounce glass or plastic bottle
• Green Tea • Distilled water (tap water is okay, but distilled is better!)
• Vit-C (lysorbic acid) powder or crystals
• Ylang Ylang essential oil (or any other essential oil of your choice)
What you do:
• Fill bottle 1/3 full of ACV (my increase or decrease amount of vinegar to suit your own skin type, add more for oilier skin and less for dry skin.
• Heat 2/3 cup of distilled water and bring to boil, then add 3-4 green tea bags (you want to make the tea solution REALLY strong!!) and let it steep for 30 minutes or longer, then remove teabags. Once the green tea has cooled completely, pour into bottle with ACV (do not fill bottle completely full because you'll need room to add the Ylang Ylang and Vit-C).
• Add 25 drops of Ylang Ylang essential oil to bottle (if your skin-type is not oily, simply add less Y-Y oil or leave it out altogether).
• Measure out one level teaspoon of Vit-C crystals and add to bottle with ACV and green tea. Shake bottle vigorously to dissolve crystals (if they do not dissolve right away, simply put lid on bottle and let sit for an hour to allow Vit-C crystals to solubilize in the solution. Once the Vit-C crystals have completely dissolved, your toner is ready for use. Shake well before using. The above 'recipe' should yield enough toner for a one-month supply.
Twice daily, after cleansing face as normal, put some toner on a cotton pad and gently swipe over your face and neck (if you prefer, you can use a spray bottle and spray the toner directly onto your face). Followup with your regular serums and/or moisturizer.
I'm using simple, "grocery-store" ACV (look in the condiment/salad dressing aisle) which costs less than $1.00USD for 16 ounces, but you can buy more 'exotic' apple cider vinegars from health food stores.
Likewise, I bought my green tea at the supermarket (make sure you get one that is 100% green tea with no additional ingredients/flavors added), a box of 20 tea bags for around $3.00USD. Distilled water is available at the supermarket in the bottled water aisle for around 75¢ per gallon. Ylang Ylang essential oil is available at health food stores (I got mine at Whole Foods for about $7.99 for an 8- ounce bottle).
Hint: If you're hoping to find it cheaper on Ebay or something, make sure that the Y-Y oil is stored in an amber or dark-blue glass bottle, because essential oils can be degraded by direct sunlight like from a clear glass bottle. I got my Vit-C crystals at Whole Foods for around $9.99USD for a big bottle (enough to yield *dozens* of batches of ACV super toner or homemade Vit-C serum!), but you can also order it online.
FYI: You can customize the above recipe to fit your skin’s specific needs simply by adding a couple of drops of the essential oils that are recommended for your skin type. Click on this link for a guide to essential oils and their use/benefits in skincare: http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=5922&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
Here are some of the benefits of ACV toner:
• helps even out skin tone
• smoothes out your skin's texture
• helps minimizes the size and appearance of pores
• dries up and reduces redness from breakouts almost over night
• helps regulate oil production
• impart's to your skin "a radiant glow."
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Recipe for homemade version of Dr. Hauschka’s Cleansing Cream:
What you'll need:
• Fresh, whole almonds
• Coffee grinder, blender or food processor (to make almond meal)
• Small, airtight container
• Oil of your choice (grapeseed, olive, jojoba, castor, sweet almond, etc)
• Witch hazel (alcohol-free, if you can find it!)
• Ylang Ylang essential oil (optional)
• Lysorbic acid (aka: Vitamin C) powder or crystals
What you do:
To make a one-month supply (give or take), finely grind about 150 almonds* in your grinder/blender or food processor. Put the resulting almond meal in your airtight container and gradually drizzle in between 1-3 teaspoons of oil, and ½ teaspoon of Witch Hazel and stir/mix well. Keep adding additional oil until your mixture reaches the desired consistency -- you want it to be a nice, thick paste (remember, when you apply it, you add water to make it "spreadable" on your face). If you add too much oil (like I did the first time!), simply stir a bit more almond meal to thicken it back up. Likewise, if your mixture is too thick, then add a few more drops of oil. That's it! Put the lid on your container and you've now got your homemade Dr. H Cleansing Cream.
If desired, you can add additional ingredients that are beneficial for your particular skintype. I have hyper-oily skin, so I chose to add a few (7-10) drops of Ylang Ylang essential oil (not only good for helping to control regulate oil production, but makes my CC smell yummy!!) and a teaspoon of lysorbic acid crystals.
Other possible add-ins:
• Lavendar essential oil (calms redness)
• Teatree oil (antiseptic properties, good for break-out prone skin)
• Check-out the essential oil guide for more ideas: http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=5922&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
I'm sure there are dozens of other possibilities, but those are the ones that immediately come to mind. Research some of the various essential oils to find out what kind of properties they have in terms of skincare and just experiment. The great thing about this homemade cleansing cream is that if you mix up a batch with add-in ingredients that you don't like, it won't break the bank if you decide to dump it out and start over again!
You can use your homemade CC twice daily, if desired. But if you wear makeup, don't forget to remove your makeup with an actual cleanser/makeup remover *before* you apply the cleansing cream as it is not meant to remove makeup.
I keep my homemade cleansing cream on my bathroom counter...it does *not* have to be refrigerator, although Winnie said that after putting her homemade CC in the fridge, the next time she used it, it smelled exactly like the real Dr. Hauschka CC so if you're a fan of the yeasty smell, be my guest! I store mine in a little tupperware-type of container; I'm not sure how much the container actually holds, but it's about the size of a small baby-food jar, if that helps give you an idea....
*Note: my coffee-grinder only allows me to grind 12 almonds at a time, so it takes a little while to make the almond meal. Therefore, if you choose, you can grind up your entire batch of almonds at one time, and then just store the excess in an airtight container in your freezer until it's time to make a new batch of cleansing cream.... |
Thisis my final schedule? please check it over.
Morning - 150mg clindomyicin pill with breakfest shower - Nothing, so im not irritated for school.
Get home from school - Wet washcloth dabbing, then duac
Night - Shower with aveeno cleanser, then wait 15-20 minutes then retin-A( i just started using Retin-A SHOULD my face look reder/ more broken out?)
what do you guys think of this final one?
I think i have broken capillaries, red spots, and not many pimples, the capillaries are not dug in or out. Also, my skin is sensitive and a tad bit over oily.
Oh just to add something off-topic... is this mainly a woman forum? I am male. lol. Ofcourse the main reason im doing this is for the ladies..
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broken capillaries... what should i do for them? cause really i hardly have any pimples, i just have a lot of red spots from that, flat redness marks.
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Should i use Retin-A micro every night or every other night? |
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Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:08 pm |
Yes, The ACV and the Cleansing Cream are right...but you make those yourself. Not buy. That should save your mom a lot of money actually. She just needs to go to the supermarket and a health food store. I would use them both AM and PM. Cleansing Cream, then toner.
Here is another thread on the Oil Cleansing Method. http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=7077&highlight=oil+cleansing+method
If you have sensitive skin though, I wouldn't recommmend this. You have to use *hot* water to remove the oil and it can makes broken caps worse.
With the Retin A, expect it to get worse before it gets better. It is normal to break out for 3-4 weeks, as it purges your skin. It will make you red too, but you don't have to use it everyday if it is making you too red or peel. If that is happening, go to every other day, so your skin can adjust.
In the morning, I would use a light moisturizing product with an SPF; it can beoil free if you like. This is really important. If you don't use an SPF your scarring won't fade as well. As well, with Retin A, you skin is hyper sensitive to UV... I am pretty surprised your derm didn't tell. |
_________________ ~normal but prone to dryness~slightly sensitive~usually clear~totm breakouts~mid 20s~ |
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Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:08 pm |
how is a spf45 oilfree anti-cloging nutragina sunblock put on in the morning?
how will the ACV toner work with broken capillaries?
What is a good way to fix broken capillaries?
Should i use retin-A micro if it is making my capilarries redder/pimples redder? |
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:29 am |
Try calling theskincareinstitute.com and ask for free samples of the proheal and hydracool and talk to the people there on how to use it. It has been wonderful for my son in calming his redness down. The antibiotics do take a while to work. Accutane was the only thing that worked for me when all antibiotics did not, but it is drastic. |
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:59 am |
google5 wrote: |
how is a spf45 oilfree anti-cloging nutragina sunblock put on in the morning?
how will the ACV toner work with broken capillaries?
What is a good way to fix broken capillaries?
Should i use retin-A micro if it is making my capilarries redder/pimples redder? |
SPF 45 sounds good!
In the ACV toner you can add your own choice of essential oils to help with broken capillaries. Read this thread... http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=5922&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight= ...for more info. I would cut back on the ylang ylang and add some other oils. Only put a drop or 2 though, as some of them can be irritating. I use Retin A micro...it is still somewhat irritating. I just use it every few days, and spot treat with it if I need too. |
_________________ ~normal but prone to dryness~slightly sensitive~usually clear~totm breakouts~mid 20s~ |
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:35 am |
It sounds like you have a term they call "acne rosacea". Theres several forms of acne, and thats one of them. Rosacea is reddness in the face, and can be either extreme or very minor. Since your skin is sensitive, i suggest limiting what you put on it...and moisturizer is a smart idea if you are getting red patches. I used to get red patches, but since i've been taking constant care of my skin, i no longer have to worry about them. Chamomile tea has really soothed my skin, and then i use cetaphil lotion. Sunscreens good too, but stick with products that dont have too many acids or exfoliating ingredients...they definitely piss the skin off. And i feel your pain..ive had to deal with my skin and reddness since i was about 13. Now im 20 and finally feel like i have control. It just takes practice and knowledge to find what works for you. |
_________________ Extremely fair/sensitive skin(mild rosacea)that burns very easy.acne is rare/skin is dry.27 years old. |
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:37 am |
Ok, thanks
What i really dont get is people have listed about 50 different products to me, and it sounds like im doing things wrong!
ACV toner
Dr. Hauschka's cleaning cream (homemade)
Morning - 150mg clindomyicin pill with breakfest shower - Nothing, so im not irritated for school.
Get home from school - Wet washcloth dabbing, then duac
Night - Shower with aveeno cleanser, then wait 15-20 minutes then retin-A every other day
Annie R - i dont see anything on there about hydracool or proheal |
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:49 pm |
Go to the IS Clinical section or google on IS Clinical Proheal Serum. It helps rosacea and helps redness from acne scars. It is very expensive however. I gave samples to my son at college which made huge improvements on his skin tone and clarity. Now he has his own bottle. It doesn't work like antibiotics or accutane does, but helps improving the acne scars and redness and calms the skin. He washes first with a clearasil wash for acne, followed by Dr H CC. He then puts on the proheal followed by hydracool. Now he still breaks out occasionally, but that is from lifestyle and eating habits and not washing his face at night when he comes in way too late. |
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:25 pm |
Google -
Please have a look at the private message I sent with an offer regarding some of the products previously recommended. The other ladies here will tell you that I’m legit! |
_________________ Über-oily,semi-sensitive, warm/fair-skinned redhead, 38...Will swap/shop for members outside U.S. and/or make homemade skincare products upon demand-PM me for details. |
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:34 pm |
your in good hands.. these nice ladies will help you so much.. they know alot about skin care. hope things work out for you.
lassie 1234 |
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:45 pm |
google5 wrote: |
Ok, thanks
What i really dont get is people have listed about 50 different products to me, and it sounds like im doing things wrong!
ACV toner
Dr. Hauschka's cleaning cream (homemade)
Morning - 150mg clindomyicin pill with breakfest shower - Nothing, so im not irritated for school.
Get home from school - Wet washcloth dabbing, then duac
Night - Shower with aveeno cleanser, then wait 15-20 minutes then retin-A every other day
Annie R - i dont see anything on there about hydracool or proheal |
You should take Carrie up on her offer!! She can make the toner to help with sensitive skin too!
As for your routine...I changed it a bit
AM
-Cleanse with only water
-Dr. Hauschka's cleaning cream (this isn't so much a cleanser, but a gentle exfoliant. It will help get the gunk out of your pores. I am sure Carrie will send you instructions)
-ACV toner
-150mg clindomyicin pill with breakfast
-Sunscreen
Get home from school - Wet washcloth dabbing, then duac
PM
-Aveeno cleanser
-Dr H Cleansing Cream (it is gentle so twice a day is okay)
-ACV toner
-Retin A, every other night and spot treating
Does that make sense? |
_________________ ~normal but prone to dryness~slightly sensitive~usually clear~totm breakouts~mid 20s~ |
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:17 pm |
That sounds like a very good routine. At her age you sometimes need the extra jumpstart of antibiotics and retin-a but w/o overdoing it. I hope she takes carekate up on her dr h cleansing cream and the acv toner help. That cleansing cream & toner I think helps calm the skin if you are trying to conquer this on a limited budget and will make the whole routine work w/o overstressing the skin. My son has gilberts syndrome (which is an excessive billirubin count) so we could not even consider the accutane route and the antibiotics made him sick during football season. We had to wing it with whatever products worked. But no teenager likes having acne. |
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:17 pm |
Hi Google5,
I have read all the other forums and you are lucky to have such wonderful caring people who sincerely want to help you.
I am only adding this as my skin is like yours highly sensitive and very acne prone.
I am now 31 and when I was a teen I had the same problems. I did use a ton of stuff including Vit A no matter how long I used this it did nothing for me, nothing except aggravate the acne so severly!!!
Now Let me explain here what needs to be understood also by a lot of the great people giving advice.
There is a huge difference between oily, thick acne skin and thin, easily irritated thin skin, and you can not use the same treatment. My education is holisticly based and more focused on skin.
I recently completed an esthetics program which was interesting. All the girls who had thick, oily and acne prone skin could take the harsh treatments and tons of exfoliation was fine.
My skin went crazy and the same treatments which totally cleared their skin made my skin so bad!!!I had acne in the form of little pimples on my cheeks, chin and forehead. The pimples and general area was very red and very very aggravated.
Now what helped to clear it up was to use gentle products with one stronger product. I found Retina A does not work - too irritating but using a salicylic acid product was very beneficial. BP also totally irritated my skin and severely dried it out.
Next important thing you NEED to consider is overstimulation of the skin, especially yours will lead to more out breaks so keep it simple and really gentle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This includes starting too many different products or rapidly changing them.
I know you are currently seeing a Dermatologist and I too have been to many and sad but so often they prescribe tons of very toxic chemical products that will temporarily get rid of the acne but it will eventually come back. Accutane is only affective for 2 year and in severe cases the acne does come back, maybe not as bad. A friend who is finishing her Masters Degree in Pharmacology and has suffered such bad cystic acne would not go near Acutane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The homemade products people have given you most likely will really help calm your skin.
Sorry this is so long. Due to my suffering in my life I have found natural holistic ways to have very clear skin and when it breaks out like in the last few months from school I just go back to a simple calm approach and in time it works!!
Good luck I wish you the best, and can assure you will learn a lot about skin.
Feliz |
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:41 pm |
AnnieR wrote: |
That sounds like a very good routine. At her age you sometimes need the extra jumpstart of antibiotics and retin-a but w/o overdoing it. I hope she takes carekate up on her dr h cleansing cream and the acv toner help. That cleansing cream & toner I think helps calm the skin if you are trying to conquer this on a limited budget and will make the whole routine work w/o overstressing the skin. My son has gilberts syndrome (which is an excessive billirubin count) so we could not even consider the accutane route and the antibiotics made him sick during football season. We had to wing it with whatever products worked. But no teenager likes having acne. |
HE. ahem. .
Yes, i am. I am going to be using that routine too.. is that a good routine? hehe.
Carekate is great! (rhyme legend = me)
She is going to send me instructions and the products themselves for me to use!
Thanks!! |
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:48 pm |
Your later posts did add male-sorry didn't mean to miss that. As you can tell, every derm is so different on their approaches, the retin-a versus none, antibiotics, the gels, etc. But each routine takes time and patience for results to show and stressing about it of course makes it worse, I remember that part. I've been to many in my 40 years and they were all so very different in their approaches it was amazing (and confusing)! Carekates help will at least get your ph in better balance and help de-stress your skin. Just see what works for your routine. I wish I could get my son to try the Dr H CC and ACV toner, I think he would love them. |
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 3:19 am |
Hello- being a teenager sucks! If I had to do it all over again I would spend more time having fun and feeling better just knowing that everyone feels horrible as a teenager. But that doesn't help, does it?
1. Exercise! It is the best action you can take to detox and cleanse your skin. I started running and my skin was the first to react. I cannot stress the benefits enough. Work up a BIG sweat for half an hour every other day and you will look better. Plus the endorphins will make you happier and more positive. You will also feel more in control of your life.
2. Eat high quality, whole foods. That means lots of fresh veggies and good, lean protein. Nothing fried, no junk food, and limit your sugar. Those three things just make you puffy, sluggish and constantly craving.
3. Drink tons of water. Carry a bottle with you ALL the time. Make it a habit.
Does this sound hard? It is at first, but nothing ventured, nothing gained. Go for it! |
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