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Nasolabial lines and other horrific creases

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Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:34 pm      Reply with quote
Has anyone found a product that decreases the appearance of nasolabial lines that's not an injectable? Maybe there's something out there that will plump up the skin to make them less prominent (even if it's just for a matter of hours...I'll take what I can get LOL)? I'm getting creases (I call them "pre-wrinkles") under the eye area and around the mouth, and in the wrong lighting I look like a marionette. Laughing
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:35 pm      Reply with quote
Uh,oh. Sunscreen (LaRochePosay line) used on a daily basis will prevent premature aging if you feel this is what is happening. C serums (Vivier, J&B, Cellular Skin Rx) and Retin-A both work to thicken your skin so if these lines are fine (nothing too deep), regular long-term use of both (Retin-A at night, C and sunscreen each morning)will reduce these quite a bit.

For temporary relief, I'd think about using a wrinkle relaxer like Relax Plus with Vialox, that helps to stop the muscles that cause the lines from being able to contract as intensely as usual, thus the lines won't continually be reinforced.

Of course, lots of water and a good moisturizer will help keep your skin plump in general but probably will not have much effect on lines that are being caused by muscle movement or sun damage as opposed to simple dehydration.
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Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:32 pm      Reply with quote
Hi,
I know you didn't want to hear about injectables, but they can work very well in the hands of a qualified doctor. Topicals can only do so much.
HTH-Laura
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Fri Dec 16, 2005 9:12 pm      Reply with quote
Not too long ago, Winnie found this stuff called DermaFreeze 365 at her local drugstore - may have been CVS or Rite Aid; I know it is also carried by www.drugstore.com.

It isn't a miracle worker, but it an IS effective topical. It has the effect of relaxing the muscles or nerves (not sure which, to be honest, but I'm pretty sure it is the muscles), plus it seems to also act like some kind of filler.

I don't really have nasolabial lines, except after a night of really hard partying. When that occurs, this stuff is great! My older sister, who is beginning to get those lines, and who also was a sun goddess in her youth, and hence has a few skin problems now, absolutely adores the stuff. You can't beat it for the price.
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Fri Dec 16, 2005 10:15 pm      Reply with quote
Hi karmicarchitect - Have you ever used any retinoid products? I think betterat40 gave you some great advice. While she can tolerate prescription retinoids, I can't, but I've been using SkinCeuticals .5% Retinol, and it can really help firm the skin as well as diminish the prominence of lines. I can only use it a couple of times a week, but I couldn't live without it. I alternate with IS Clinical Firming Cream and sometimes SC Intense Line Defense, which has 15% AHA. I also occasionally use a pumpkin peel or lactic acid peel.

Also, I use JB ADCE and DermaExcel7 (on top of JB Mineral Skin Prep) when I want to look my best. On top of this, I use Smashbox Photo Finish primer, which is silicone-based. It has a mattifying effect, facilitates makeup application, and at the same time obscures the look of fine lines. Also for lines, you could try Prescriptives Magic Invisible Line Smoother, which is another silicone product that acts like spackle.

I just came home from a Christmas party, and after using all of this stuff, no one can believe I'm 53. I never wear foundation, but prefer to use products that refine and clarify my skin texture. I only use a bit of concealer here and there, some cream blush, eyeshadow and liner (on occasion), and lip color. Tonight, I also wore my new MAC #4 false eyelashes -- just love 'em!!! They're very glamorous.

DermaFreeze 365 sounds intriguing -- I'll have to try it after I use up my JB products. The cost of all of these items can amount to a small (my husband would say large) fortune though Crying or Very sad

BTW, just as betterat40 suggested, it's very important to use a good sunscreen -- this should be Rule Number One. I wouldn't dare go outdoors in the daytime without it: LRP Fluide Extreme (when not wearing makeup) or Avene Creme (winter) or Spray (summer), on top of SC CE Ferulic. This forum has enlightened me about quite a few great products that've really helped the look of my skin. Almost everything I've mentioned I've only used since checking out this site -- thank you EDS!!!

Of course, some days are better than others -- especially darker ones Laughing
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Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:01 pm      Reply with quote
Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing @ spackle !!!

Buttt, it's true !
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Sat Dec 17, 2005 5:55 pm      Reply with quote
I agree with the relax plus violox. It's worked great for me. www.new-raves.com is where I get mine from.
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Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:02 am      Reply with quote
Thanks for all of the suggestions. I've been using Retin-A, glycolic peels, and a vitamin C/Matrixyl/DMAE serum (not all at once, of course Wink . I'll have to give the temporary "freezing" products for a try.

I'm afraid getting injectables is out of my budget.

I'm paying my karmic dues for having smoked and (gasp) visited a tanning bed in my misspent youth Rolling Eyes
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Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:25 pm      Reply with quote
I have the perfect non-surgical solution. I use (and market) a patented personal spa that, when used 2-3x/week in conjunction with some newly developed products based on genetic science and developed in partnership with Stanford, Purdue and LifeGen, can dramatically diminish the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles AND reset your genes to prevent further aging. No kidding. If you write me I can send totally unretouched before and after photos (after only 90 days of use) that tell the story. cynthia@perfectworld.us
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Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:12 pm      Reply with quote
Pepperjelly, what is the name of the product line you are using? tia. Smile
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Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:11 pm      Reply with quote
I sort of have a stupid problem Laughing
I used to have more obvious "11" lines and a couple years ago started using Dior capture (I was lucky to get minitures of many of the serumsand night stuff Smile

Then I saw Neostrata wrinkle repair, and seeing as I really like Neostrata eye creams,their wrinkle product that they said has studies on it (neostrata does make medical fillers and stuff too).

So, I thought Neostrata was a good brand to try.
And I had good results with that.

Now around 3/4 of my "frown lines" are gone,but I have these horrible redish stipes onmy forehead and it looks funny without concealer or tinted cream Rolling Eyes

I'm guessing I need some kind of peeling thing?
not too sure though....

I also recently got my hands on Kinerase Pro+Therapy serum, the $150 serum that is not sold here....

And that seems to have plumped the rest of my lines quite a lot Smile
The Pro+Therapy serum I have here is the one in the 15ml bottle.

I really wish I had not given my second bottle of that to a family member,

If there was something magical and cheap I'd like to know!
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Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:14 am      Reply with quote
Safetox apparently can help with NL folds :

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?p=537738&highlight=safetox#537738


I have not tried it, so I don't know if it's magical, but it's definetly not cheap (272CAD + shipping from UK)

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Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:52 pm      Reply with quote
HI, I think you can like me to try Rodial Glamoxy Snake Serum, I first use it is derived from a sample, did not mind, I feel exhausted amazing, I only used after washing by terry Source de rose, and then only with the Rodial Glamoxy Snake Serum, after a while I found from the mirror, my face outline out, I feel incredible. I think this is the effect of Rodial Glamoxy Snake Serum, because I do not use other products, I used two samples, I hesitate to buy this product in the use of the process, I feel my nasolabial folds Are reduced while the more compact of my face. I think I will stick with, because its effect
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/rodial-glamoxy-snake-seru-p_12227.htm
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Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:18 am      Reply with quote
The only real treatment to improve NL lines or folds are derma fillers, unfortuately it's the lost of collegan, skin laxity and aging that causes our skin to sag and hence creating these problems. We loose volume in our skin. Every other tropical treatment is only superfacial, again derma fillers are permament either. Such a pity aging brings on so many problems we all want to address!
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Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:59 am      Reply with quote
I have never had fillers but what those that have them say is that they do resolve the n/l issue for a period of time. The cost seems an issue but worth it to those that get them. I decided to try facial exercises to see if I could have an avenue that would work and not be such an expense. It took some time and some experimenting to find a program that would address my particular needs...I have thicker skin and needed more punch at 55 to lift the lower face up. I was facing n/l sag as well as marionette issues. I found that diet(adding green smoothies) and facial exercises did the trick for both problem areas. Creams and other gadgets work fine for skin texture but the exercises have firmed up my face and pulled the sag right out. My face is fuller and firmer.I have numerous friends that have used fillers in the past and after starting facial exercises no longer need them. Maybe they will post and speak to this issue.

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Hey Kids! This is a second vote for facial exercise to target the lower face issues. As we age the muscles in the middle portion of the face pull downward Crying or Very sad with the force of gravity causing them to elongate; thus allowing the droopy folds around the mouth along with other issues.

Facial exercises *props* them back up - lifting them and pulling them upward and outward. I definitely agree with Toby!!!!

The serums and creams are going to help the texture and glow of the skin but not the downward droop. (Ahhh if it were only so easy).
Many fillers in the NL do NOT last very long. I used them twice in the past and for me I bet I didn't get more than a month of result at the most. Ridiculous in price and zip - evaporated away very quickly.

I've been doing Facial exercise for two years and it is the ticket - nothing comes close. Better results after time than fillers and permanent! with maintenance and diligence Very Happy

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Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:26 am      Reply with quote
Here's a quickie and freebie to try that will target and lift lower face.
You will need Quicktime to watch this.


http://evafraser.com/face_exercise.html

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This picture is not me but a friend of mine that is a flexeffect user. The lighting is not the exact same but both are outdoor shots( they always show the flaws). She is 44 in the first and 51 in the second. Below is some information she wanted to post here but her password wouldn't work. This is her message to me in an email.

I can't get on! I tried every combo of passwords, etc... and even the one they emailed me.....

If you like you can post this along with the photo:

I strongly suggest FlexEffects. And the newer program is the best ever. N/L area was always a concern for me and flexing really helped so much. At first it was a huge improvement and then I dropped some weight, went through hormone difficulties, lost my dad and got a little gaunt - so I tried juve several years ago. I would never do it again. Deb's program reallllly targets the lower part of the face- and you really have to attack it with force (see her daughter's video that comes with new program) and work it baby!



2003 and 2010 before any flexing


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Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:48 pm      Reply with quote
I would say there is a marked difference between age 44 and 51 years. The lift is obvious, pulling and lifting upward - esp the NL and this is remarkable... Let's face it - it's easier to look fresh, tighter, pretty with a 44 year old face. But the facial tone is better in the after.

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I posted comments in the FlexEffect thread on Lala's progress: http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?p=544033#544033. I do think she looks great and absolutely adorable. And you can see visible progress in a several areas over the past 7 years.

But as this is a thread on NL lines, I'm wondering if Lala has any insight on what made the biggest difference to eliminating her NL folds. I know that what causes them and hence how to fix them probably varies at least somewhat from person to person, but it would still be helpful to hear about Lala's personal experience. Was it the massage, building up particular muscles, diet, weight loss, etc.? Toby, do you think Lala would be willing to share her thoughts here?

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Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:29 pm      Reply with quote
That would be great!!!

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Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:22 pm      Reply with quote
Hi karmicarchitect,
All the responses are great, creams and facial exercises. I've tried and use both, but also the Tanaka facial massage, which for me has been the best in this issue, there is a post on the DIY thread about this massage and I can assure it really helps with the NL folds, (press strong, no light massaging here if you want effects).

Here is the link on the EDS:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=36457

And here is a link to Youtube with the movements to do, very easy to follow as they are visual, got interested in all this massage technique thanks to Critic who started the post on this massage Very Happy .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_Zw4DGNnsI&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrceQS7qdaI&feature=PlayList&p=3E2EE7549E97F563&index=0

Hi Everyone - the above link is Tanaka massage translated in English. It is an easy to follow version with Tanaka herself performing the massage and then the model doing the self-massage with English translation.

This link will take you to Part I - there are several others but this will lead you to the next.

Enjoy - Tanaka is very nice and beneficial.

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