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Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:36 am      Reply with quote
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Ishmira,
after the 12 week point, please send me a pic, privately. i will keep it private. promise! i would love to see. so excited!

i'm going to check out the isis website again now. its probably in the states? i'm in canada.... where are u? i just get soooooo worried if i have to order from the US. canada customs always gives me a nice added fat bill to puchases.

please keep us update! Very Happy


Sure! No prob, and I appreciate your respect for my privacy. Send me a message and I'll reply to confirm.

I'm in Manhattan,New York. Canada shouldn't be too bad, I get my orders in like 3 days. I know that customs clearance is a different story though. Wow they charge you to get packages!? Why!? I thought the courier is supposed to take care of that. I order things from over seas and they never charge more when they drop it off. A few people I know order meds from Canada and they come through the regular mail. hmm I say contact the company before ordering and see what they say.

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Ishmara, I would love for this product to work. I don't think the pictures on Isis's website are too convincing, which is why I would prefer pictures from third parties who have had success before I try it.

That said, assuming what you said is true, I have a couple questions for you. Why is it that people who use Lumigan or Latisse have a permanent darkening of their irises? Is melanocyte activity increased in perpetuity even after use of the product is discontinued? This is what made me believe that melanocytes do not function in irises in a way that is identical to elsewhere in the body: the effects of lightening or darkening products on hair and skin end after use of the products is discontinued, because we are constantly making new skin and hair, but we don't constantly make new eyes. This is what led me to my presumption, not Google; you need not assume that my thoughts were retrieved online.

Also, you say that melanocytes are constantly producing pigment, regardless of where they are (hair, skin, eyes), and that halting production will cause a lightening effect. This is true. Why is it then, that after the cessation of arbutin use on skin, it will gradually re-darken, whereas after discontinuing use of the Isis arbutin drops on eyes, there is no re-darkening (it says on Isis's website that the change is permanent). There must be something biologically different about pigment production in skin and pigment production in eyes.

Please know that I mean no hostility in asking these questions, and if you could answer them for me in a way that is accurate and non-confrontational, I would be very grateful.


I feel what you're saying but, your belief about Lumigan contradicts what you said about melanocytes/eyecolor/etc in your earlier comment AND this one. If Lumigan makes eyes darker what does that mean? Think.... It's obvious Lumigan (latisse) increases production on melanin if it's making things darker. DUHHH Laughing Lumigan darkens anything it touches, they tell you that in the warning/side effect section. "Lumigan has been reported to cause darkening (pigmentation) of eye color, eyelid skin and eyelashes, as well as increased growth of eyelashes. Pigmentation changes can increase as long as LUMIGAN® 0.03% is used. After stopping LUMIGAN® 0.03%, darkening of eye color is likely to be permanent while darkening of the eyelid skin and eyelash changes may be reversible"

It's ok that I assumed that you googled your info from an unreliable source because it was incorrect, misinformation and speculation.

Listen, skin is an organ. We don’t *make* or develop NEW skin. If you were skinned you alive you’re not growing anything back, including hair. And hair itself is just an extension of the skin. If skin is damaged, depending on how severe, hair won’t grow there anymore. Skin proceeds hair. Hair is not independent of skin. Regardless of what you make think/belive. Now....Skin is always *renewing* itself, every 30 days (sheds), sheds hair, and grows 0.3mm of hair per day.

Ponder this, if you use 3% hydrogen peroxide on your scalp for an extended amount of time not only will it bleach your existing hair, new hair will automatically come in gray even after you stop. Depending on how long this is done the hair will take a while to regain it's natural color. This again has to do with the destruction of melanocyes & regaining melanin production. People that have used hydroquinone for yrs have reported permanent lightening, meaning they had no problem with their original skin color coming back BUT if they were to out side in the sun they are going to get darker regardless.

First of all, the eyes are an organ and no we aren’t making those either. Uh, same analogy. Eyes are a mucus membranes, they don't shed layers of tissue the same way skin does but they are constantly renewing themselves & shedding cellular wastes like skin. YES the eyes are always making new material & cleaning themselves if they didnt then thats when the problems start (i.e glaucoma, cateracts, etc). Side Bar: Every wondered what *eye boogers* were? Look it up Laughing

You need to first understand these body parts/organs you speak of rather than *assuming* everything . That also includes melanin/pigment and everything about it.

You also need to understand what “permanent” means. Once you lighten your skin ( especially eyes) It is permanent. Meaning, after stopping use of whatever you’re using the lightened skin (or eyecolor) will stay that way. UNLESS you do something that causes increased production of melanin (darkening), like go outside in the sun and tan or use Lumigan in the eyes. Understand?
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Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:08 am      Reply with quote
Just in case you haven't noticed - this entire Forum is full of people wanting to change how they look (including myself). In the course of doing so we often try Dermarollers, chemical peels, lasers, surgery etc. - you will find warnings from people included in any discussion on these topics. On the various threads on eyelash growth products, for instance, there are a number of discussions on the safety of Lumigan - thankfully though, these comments have always been taken with good grace.

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I would like very much to know where there are any studies (or any information) showing the safety of using Alpha Arbutin in ones eyes and at what percentage. I have searched every possible way I can imagine and haven't been able to locate anything related to it being used in the eyes.

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Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:46 pm      Reply with quote
Before trying this product, ask your ophthalmologist if she or he has read anything in the medical literature about this product or ingredients. I wouldn't listen to what anyone on an online forum says unless they are a doctor.
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Before trying this product, ask your ophthalmologist if she or he has read anything in the medical literature about this product or ingredients. I wouldn't listen to what anyone on an online forum says unless they are a doctor.


I agree when it comes to anything beyond basic skin care or cosmetics, with my eyes or anyone I know I wholeheartedly agree! Also any reactions to products that last beyond a 24 hour period tops my motto is check with a qualified medical professional! I lean towards caution! Smile

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Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:30 pm      Reply with quote
well, isn't that sort of dangerous? and you could always just get contacts, you know. Wink
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Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:41 pm      Reply with quote
flashdelirium wrote:
well, isn't that sort of dangerous? and you could always just get contacts, you know. Wink


Hi,
Well you missed a lot on this thread, most of us feel it's a definite unproven as far as safety goes. I spent as much time as I am willing too searching for any information and all that comes up is the sellers sight and forums discussing this. Smile

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Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:03 am      Reply with quote
About wearing colored contacts- I've never seen opaque lens that didn't look odd in real life. But there are special brands that are supposed to look a lot more natural than what you can buy in your drs office.

http://www.aclens.com/forums/default.asp?sub=show&action=posts&fid=1&tid=37984

Even if I wanted to I could never wear them. I'm lucky I've found a normal corrective lens that doesn't make me want to tear my eyes out. I did get tinted green contacts one time though. (not opaque,just tinted) They weren't very comfortable but they looked amazing. If your eyes are a light enough hazel tinted lens will work.
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Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:25 am      Reply with quote
If this product is legitimate, why do they need to use fake before/after pictures?
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Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:00 am      Reply with quote
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If this product is legitimate, why do they need to use fake before/after pictures?


hmm Could be the same reason they were nasty in that email to a potential customer??? Neutral

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Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:26 pm      Reply with quote
ive read that using honey drops can lighten your eye colour - a more natural method to consider before going down this route maybe?? Idea

I have used it for pink eye before and it works really well - i just added it neat, a drop or two before bed.

I imagine you'd have to use it a fair while longer than a couple of nights to see any effect on eye colour though..

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This is the forum where many are using either honey or a combination of honey and chamomile to DIY the lightening of their eyes. Smile

http://www.maybenow.com/Does-honey-really-lighten-the-color-of-your-eyes-without-wearing-colored-contacts-q6653494

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Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:23 pm      Reply with quote
mowgli wrote:
ive read that using honey drops can lighten your eye colour - a more natural method to consider before going down this route maybe?? Idea

I have used it for pink eye before and it works really well - i just added it neat, a drop or two before bed.



I'm willing to give the honey a try if it will help with dry eyes:

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The most common natural Indian cures for dry are honey, ghee (clarified butter), sesame oil and a decoction made from fennel seeds. Honey, ghee and sesame oil help to moisten and comfort the eyes. You can place a few drops directly in the eye to relieve dryness. Of the three, honey has the most conventional research supporting its use. In a study published in the October 2006 issue of Cornea, researchers found that honey can help relieve the symptoms of dry eye due to a number of conditions.

http://www.ehow.com/way_5785894_natural-indian-cures-dry-eyes.html

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Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:31 pm      Reply with quote
That I can understand it's the Alpha Arbutin that I can't find anything about it's use in the eyes that would concern me! Smile

Off topic sort of but one cause of Dry Eyes that can easily be corrected is a Vitamin A deficiency, of course you would need to have a blood test to check for that.

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Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:52 pm      Reply with quote
Alpha arbutin can certainly inhibit melanin production, and is *safe* (for the most part) to use on intact skin, for sun spots etc.. It is in fact 'hydroquinones' distant (safer/gentler) cousin in a way!.. (My silly words there, but a google will sort you all out.

Please, please, please, to anybody who is considering messing with their precious vision just to lighten their eye color, do some research and find out why "melanin" is so very important to not only our eyes, but to our very lives.. (head to toe BTW, including the brain!)

For the purpose of this thread, it's important for those who may not be aware to know, that melanin pigment of the iris is there to offer protection from UV rays, which can result in a loss of vision if it isn't filtered. Melanin is the filter, and the darker the eyes, the more melanin you have, and the more protection you have naturally.

Please know I'm not judging anyone, just sharing what I feel obliged to from a medical standpoint.

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Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:17 pm      Reply with quote
Well, if they go blind using it, they won't be able to tell us. Shock

Honey is a natural disinfectant which is probably why it's been used as a food preservative for centuries. I'd still be a little nervous about putting it into my eyes. I'll stick with my Restasis, thank you.
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I use alpha arbutin plus kojic acid dipalmitate on my skin ( face) to make the complexion overall clear and bright; it does work but I ll never use such things in my eyes...

I remember using pure lemon juice in my eyes in my late teens to make my eyes look crystal clear ( it did work too ) but now that I have all grown up, I ll never use it in my eyes again!
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I use alpha arbutin plus kojic acid dipalmitate on my skin ( face) to make the complexion overall clear and bright; it does work but I ll never use such things in my eyes...

I remember using pure lemon juice in my eyes in my late teens to make my eyes look crystal clear ( it did work too ) but now that I have all grown up, I ll never use it in my eyes again!


OMG, daler lemon juice in your eyes! OUCH!!!

I was a pretty "throw caution to the wind" type in my youth but never tried that, cold cucumber slices have always done the trick for clear, bright, white eyes! Smile

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OMG, daler lemon juice in your eyes! OUCH!!!

I was a pretty "throw caution to the wind" type in my youth but never tried that, cold cucumber slices have always done the trick for clear, bright, white eyes! Smile


lol, I know, it stung like hell the 1st few times and then my eyes kinda got used to it... and yes cold cucumbers are very relaxing, on the forehead too!
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DarkMoon wrote:

OMG, daler lemon juice in your eyes! OUCH!!!

I was a pretty "throw caution to the wind" type in my youth but never tried that, cold cucumber slices have always done the trick for clear, bright, white eyes! Smile


lol, I know, it stung like hell the 1st few times and then my eyes kinda got used to it... and yes cold cucumbers are very relaxing, on the forehead too!


I bet it did!
Hey you could make chamomile tea with lemon and honey and both lighten the eyes and have bright whites!!! Bad Grin Bad Grin

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Kassy_A wrote:
Alpha arbutin can certainly inhibit melanin production, and is *safe* (for the most part) to use on intact skin, for sun spots etc.. It is in fact 'hydroquinones' distant (safer/gentler) cousin in a way!.. (My silly words there, but a google will sort you all out.

Please, please, please, to anybody who is considering messing with their precious vision just to lighten their eye color, do some research and find out why "melanin" is so very important to not only our eyes, but to our very lives.. (head to toe BTW, including the brain!)

For the purpose of this thread, it's important for those who may not be aware to know, that melanin pigment of the iris is there to offer protection from UV rays, which can result in a loss of vision if it isn't filtered. Melanin is the filter, and the darker the eyes, the more melanin you have, and the more protection you have naturally.

Please know I'm not judging anyone, just sharing what I feel obliged to from a medical standpoint.


Just wanted to add,
I would not want to use this- unless you can think you will be ok with damaging your vision.
I know a guy who has vision problems and he can not drive because of this (he was born like that).
Also one of my friends in school, she was legally blind and had to use a special computer screen, given to her by some local vision impared help group, just so she could do her schoolwork.

I'm not saying not to use this,just think that you could be ok with making your vision worse, then decide.

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Right now I have Freshlook radiance in silver grey and they look pretty real...not getting any comments from strangers on my eye colour this week Smile
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Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:24 am      Reply with quote
portland wrote:
Ok. I really consider the avaliable information on EDS website about this topic to open a new one.

There is some unformal information on the web that you can lighen your eye color (IRIS) just like you now can ligheting your skin color.


There's an eye drops from a website called
ISIS cosmeceuticals
That sells thi product of alfa-arbutin (used for skin lightening), for eye color lightening.

isis-cosmeceuticals com



What do you think about this? is it biologically possible? does eye color formed from melamin too?


There are some post of people who says that works but in 6 months.




NOTE: Please do not waste your time with IRO iroeyes com/ EYEs adds, on youtube and in the web.. is FAKE.




I found out about this iris lightener from a google search and this forum, amongst several, came up. I was only looking for some actual reviews on here but didn't,until much later.I have been lurking around this forum for a little while and I have seen some very immature and unfair behavior going on so I decided not to join. The only reason I'm posting now is to give my review and that's it. I'm not going to further discuss the topic (so don't bother quoting my post) and I'm definitely NOT going to debate with people here.

I bought the kit and I have been using it for exactly 20 days and my eye color is lighter and my vision is fine. What I first noticed is my eyes were very relaxed and soothed the first day of use. I stare at a computer screen most of the day so I experience a lot of eye strain. I guess I can attribute this relief to the msm eye drops portion.

The level of lightness I can't determine, as in stating how many shades lighter. All I know is I couldn't see my pupil before, and now I can clearly see it. My eyecolor was so dark that my pupils and irises looked the same color. This progress has made me more confident in the product so I've ordered another kit along with their chamomile and honey eye drops. I don't have a goal I just want a nice light brown eye color that goes with my skin tone.

I also don't see what the big argument is about. Vitamin & herbal remedy stores sell chamomile tea eye washes and uva ursi tea (which has 20% arbutin) is used to treat wounds,infections,eye washes,and drank to treat urinary tract infections. This the only reason I even first considered trying any of these products. Now if they were talking about putting HQ or something harsh in the eye drops I would have ran in the other direction.
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UVA Ursi tea also contains hydroquinone so decide for youeselves how safe this advice is?

http://www.livestrong.com/article/111133-uses-uva-ursi/#

Uva ursi may be more commonly known as bearberry, due to its popularity among bears. But uva ursi is an herb that uses only the leaves, rather than the berry itself. It has been used by native Americans for nearly 2,000 years, according to the University of Maryland Medical Center, mainly as an astringent. Uva ursi is an anti-bacterial herb that also contains arbutin and hydroquinone--two chemicals known to fight infections in the body.

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