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Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:40 pm  |
| swissmiss wrote: |
I made the assumption that the pointers you provided above would be the "best" examples of research using your device or on LED light therapy.... I was "underwhelmed" |
Personal attacks or insinuations will not be tolerated when I am trying to help on my free time. I will assume positive intent and expect that this was not a cocky or condescending comment. Nor will I engage in intellectual prowess contests. As you will see in my post below, I told you I value your tough questions. Again, I will see what else I can find for you. I shot those links under pressure from you to respond sooner.
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1)A number of these point NOT to studies but articles written in the newletter for a specific device and are not independent. These also are more focused on acne then on skin rejuventation
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Actually articles written on studies, and yes, some about specific devices using specific wavelengths. I am not going to pick apart every link, and I do hope to offer you more in the near future.
1. Regarding Aging Rejuvenation (red/infrared)
http://taylorandfrancis.metapress.com/(igdlxg45nfx2d555q52wvi45)/app/home/contribution.asp?referrer=parent&backto=issue,9,11;journal,5,22;linkingpublicationresults,1:300304,1
The above link is a study by Advanced Laser and Dermatologic Surgery Clinics PC, Beaverton, Oregon & Inveresk CRU, Tranent, Edinburgh, UK & University of Liverpool Medical School, Faculty of Medicine, Liverpool, UK
I quote from this reference that "Conclusion. OmniluxTM combination red and near infrared LED therapy represents an effective and acceptable method of photo rejuvenation. Further study to optimize the parameters of treatment is required."
Yes, this is promoting another company's product, but it is Light Treatment that is under question it is seems here. A company that is administering treatment using wavelengths 633nm & 830nm
The point of the study I am speaking of?
To assess the efficacy and local tolerability of combination light therapy in photo rejuvenation of facial skin.
The subjects that helped draw the conclusion?
Subjects with facial rhytids received nine light therapy treatments using the OmniluxTM LED system. The treatments combined wavelengths of 633 nm and 830 nm with fluences of 126 J/cm2 and 66 J/cm2 respectively. Improvements to the skin surface were evaluated at weeks 9 and 12 by profilometry performed on periorbital casts. Additional outcome measures included assessments of clinical photography and patient satisfaction scores.
This is based on their technique and device. Again, the ambiguity circulating Light Therapy has many factors. Skin Types, Wavelengths, "Power", technique, topical ointments (further complicating), and AGAIN, the list goes on once we get to the actual technilogical manufacturing of these devices and how wavelengths (when multiple are involved) add even more variables.
Their results?
Results. Key profilometry results Sq, Sa, Sp and St showed significant differences at week 12 follow-up; 52% of subjects showed a 25%50% improvement in photoaging scores by week 12; 81% of subjects reported a significant improvement in periorbital wrinkles on completion of follow-up.
Again, results may be better or worse depending on what I mentioned above "technilogical manufacturing..." Some devices will perform better than others.
| swissmiss wrote: |
2)A number of these links document that skin rejuventation is a controversial topic or results for this are not long lasting
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You are correct, sort of. Light Therapy is the controversial topic in rejuvenating skin that you are referencing, but their are many other device, treatments and such that do rejuvenate skin.
Why is Light Therapy so controversial? Lack of study that abide by FDA guideline. Absolutely. How about because it is natural (and you can't patent natural), and there are unique ways some in the medical field are trying to use Light Therapy to make it medical only? This paragraph can only go down a controversial path that I will choose to not engage. Estheticians and Cosmetologists are all too familiar with what I am referencing.
As far as "not long lasting", neither is the results you get from working out when you stop. Light Therapy will not permanently rejuvenate your skin. Disciplined use should help to prevent further damage and help heal damage that has already been done. Permanent or long lasting would be an odd assumption as "if I work out with XYZ abdominal workout machine, achieve a 'six-pack' and stop using it, I will lose my six-pack?"
| swissmiss wrote: |
3)Some of these links provide just a high level summary from which it is difficult to view the results.
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I apologize for not meeting your expectations. Like I said, in my post, there are many names and ways to search for the studies, etc. that are very consuming, which is why I hope there will one day be a consortium, etc. that can help us all.
Please help us all and let's get all the best data, research, and information available, and I will be more than happy to maintain this on the internet for everyone who is as interested in Light Therapy as we all are. We have been working on this for many months, and have been thanked by quite a few that feel we simply the research process.
| swissmiss wrote: |
a There does not appear to be scientific studies - double blind on effectiveness. |
I am with you. More needs to be done, to support the results that many report. There has been the "GentleWaves" FDA Approved double blind study to prove efficacy in treating periorbital rhytids (wrinkles), but I don't find this to be enough. I'm sure their device as it stands can do much more than what claims they are making. It can treat periorbital, but no where else? I'll bet it treats much more than just periorbital. Again, me promoting someone else's device! Why? They are a quality manufacturer and we respect and LOVE that. Anything to further Light Therapy.
Money is a big factor. Until big companies swoop in when they see Light Therapy as a viable enough addition to their line, they will wait for the market and interest to build itself and let the smaller companies incur the cost and resources associated. If this was a perfect world, their would be easy access to funding to further this research and do studies, and I am hoping that Light Therapy is heading in that direction with the increase in exposure and reports from doctors and patients alike of the benefits. There has been some funding provided for the use of Light Therapy in studies, but among all the other needs for funding, it becomes a microscopic priority.
| swissmiss wrote: |
I note the following from one study:
"'Antiaging' Visible red light at 660nm activates ATP in skin cells and increase the rate of production of collagen for a few days, giving a lifting effect. No permanent improvement of skin aging has been demonstrated, but completion of the healing of skin damage does seem to proceed faster.
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I think this is a great thing! Again, back to the working out analogy. Stop working out = lose results.
| swissmiss wrote: |
1) Are there any research studies using the Baby Quasar or Quarsar SP for skin rejuventation? If so, please provide the link (NOT to studies you say are using the same wavelength) |
Only independent studies that are not published. Of course we are working published studies that prove efficacy.
When you say "NOT to studies you say are using the same wavelength", I find that confusing.
To make Libby's 100% Pure Pumpkin Pie: Mix 1&1/2 cups of sugar, 1tsp. salt, 2tsp. ground cinnamon, 1tsp. ground ginger, 1/2 tsp. ground cloves in a small bowl. Beat 4 eggs in a large bowl. Stir in pumpkin and sugar-spice mixture. Gradually stir in evaporated milk. Pour into pie shells. Bake in preheated 425 degree oven for 15 minutes. Reduce temperature to 350 degrees; bake for 40-50 minutes. Cool for 2 hours.
Now if you have all the same ingredients, could you question the result or findings?
Now a tougher question is "James, your company supports pulsing light. You have something called SequePulse. Why do you think that is better than all the other continuous wave devices on the market". This would be like arguing the technique used to make the best tasting pumpkin pie.
Now, everyone, so you know. I love pumpkin pie. So if you could help me out there, PM me 
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2)Are there studies documenting the long term impacts on the skin from using LED light therapy?
If so, please provide the specific links. [quote="swissmiss"]
Simply, No. But, understanding what Light Therapy does, promotes healing, etc., and with no reported long term impacts, this is a hard question to answer. The logical answers sounds like NO, there are no long term side effects, just like you should use sunscreen every day.
| swissmiss wrote: |
I also want to say that I was one click away from a purchase but it is a lot of money. I could not find research on my own, so that is why I turned to you James, knowing the company would be able to point me to the information. |
Swissmiss, that is why we are a confident company in our product. We are one of the few Professional Light Therapy (in fact I think we are the ONLY in the professional market) that promote the fact that we will give you a trial period that will provide a full refund and no restocking fees as long as you kept the unit in new condition. Everyone else, it is final sale. Why do we do this? We want our customers to be happy, and Light Therapy is not always for everyone. We know this.
| swissmiss wrote: |
It seems there is benefit for pain, blue light some help for acne, but can not find from the research you provided, support for skin rejuvenation.
many thanks |
Swissmiss, I will work harder for you and find more. We have plenty of links and info etc. We do not hide who we are because we believe in the treatment and our products. If I ever doubted our practice, device, or Light Therapy, I would not live a lie. I would leave in that situation and make sure to remove myself as far from that situation as possible.
I value your tough questions. Again, I will see what else I can find for you. I shot those links under pressure from you to respond sooner. Ultimately, this is an emerging and controversial treatment, just like chiropractic services a few decades ago, and many, many, others that now continue to provide so many benefits to their recipients.
Lastly, and I cannot say it enough. I trust others more than I trust anything else. Everyone who has added their praise, problems, or anything else are and were in no way compensated. Look at what they say and help draw conclusions.
I must ask one burning question. I provide my personal email, cell phone, and many other ways to contact me directly. Why haven't you done so?
Take Care Everyone!
James Bressi
AdvanThera
P: 800.944.1523
C: 610.999.2668
E: jamesbressi@AdvanThera.com
On The Web:www.AdvanThera.com |
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Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:21 pm |
James
You asked why I did not call you. It is a long distance call from Switzerland. I did send you a PM, which you did not respond to.
I honestly do not see why you had a problem with me saying that I expected the company to provide the best links to scientific data. I am in business, and this is a normal practice.
I said I was underwhelmed by the information in the links.
No where in my message was there any attack on you - either direct or insinuated. Non was intended.
I am actually offended by what you wrote when I was asking normal questions before spending 1800USD$ for the SP. I said I could not find research, for skin rejuvenation and was asking for your help as you are the company that is selling the device.
From what you wrote, you do not have the research to show that this works in skin rejuvenation. It would be better to say this. The links you provided that were newsletters is not scientific research - more marketing material.
Why does your company not work with a university to conduct a double blind study? |
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Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:30 pm |
James
I reread what Swissmiss wrote and she did NOT attack you in any way. I think in this forum it is ok for people to ask questions and also to state their opinion.
You as the representative for the Quasar, provided these links that do not give a lot of scientific information. You now say that you rushed to provide them. As you are in this business for a while, would have thought you would have been aware of what is the research, and the links and would be able to quickly access.
I think everyone on this forum tries to be nice. I think you were harsh in your message when she just was asking for information and pointers.
my 2 cents - please don't attack me !  |
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Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:19 am |
I have had trouble ajusting to my Quasar SP after using my Baby for 4 months. After 2 treatments with the Quasar I called James and told him that I wasn't getting the plumping of the skin like I did with the Baby, and he has been more than happy try help me find a regimen best suited for my skin. I was using the Quasar just the way I used the Baby every 5 days, and James asked me to use it every 3 days instead, and "Voila" I think I am seeing results....Infact, James still does not know, I got to call him tomorrow to let him know that I am happy with the 3 day routine for 36 minutes. There you go James - now you know...LOL.
I can only speak for myself - for me it was a matter of fine tuning. Thanks James. |
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Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:18 am |
James,
I have to agree with kitty143, I don't feel that swissmiss was attacking you. I said the same thing she did about the studies not being convincing and yet you did not consider that an attack. But perhaps you are more aware of my posting style and the fact that I am this way on alot of topics and not just the Quasar.
I really think that each one of us has to look at the evidence, whether it is a study or anectdotal evidence, and decide for ourselves whether we feel there is enough evidence to justify using a product. I have been following the Quasar and BQ threads from the start and I am nowhere near feeling that the evidence is there for these devices or for LED therapy in general. I think that we need to keep in mind that for some of us like myself and swissmiss the evidence bar is very high and heavily emphasizes proper studies (the plural is stressed here!) I don't think that LED therapy has reached this level of proof much like some other anti-aging treamtments. Yet there is something about this therapy that has piqued my curiosity and that is why I continue to read the thread and the studies. I am keeping a very open mind about this and want to learn more as the information becomes available.
I imagine that you and most members know me enough to know that I am not actively seeking to purchase one of these devices and yet you have taken the time to answer my questions and to present the research. I appreciate this and I am sure other members would agree that your active participation in these threads is appreciated.
I say take all the time you want. Yes, you do have other things to do than spend all day posting on our Quasar threads! I imagine that I have been giving you quite a bit of work lately with my questions on the effectiveness of LED therapy and my recent questions about infrared radiation. But I imagine that these discussions will benefit everyone that has bought or is considering buying one of these devices.
I look forward to your replies!
Theresa |
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Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:12 am |
| TheresaL wrote: |
James,
I have to agree with kitty143, I don't feel that swissmiss was attacking you. I said the same thing she did about the studies not being convincing and yet you did not consider that an attack. But perhaps you are more aware of my posting style and the fact that I am this way on alot of topics and not just the Quasar.
I really think that each one of us has to look at the evidence, whether it is a study or anectdotal evidence, and decide for ourselves whether we feel there is enough evidence to justify using a product. I have been following the Quasar and BQ threads from the start and I am nowhere near feeling that the evidence is there for these devices or for LED therapy in general. I think that we need to keep in mind that for some of us like myself and swissmiss the evidence bar is very high and heavily emphasizes proper studies (the plural is stressed here!) I don't think that LED therapy has reached this level of proof much like some other anti-aging treamtments. Yet there is something about this therapy that has piqued my curiosity and that is why I continue to read the thread and the studies. I am keeping a very open mind about this and want to learn more as the information becomes available.
I imagine that you and most members know me enough to know that I am not actively seeking to purchase one of these devices and yet you have taken the time to answer my questions and to present the research. I appreciate this and I am sure other members would agree that your active participation in these threads is appreciated.
I say take all the time you want. Yes, you do have other things to do than spend all day posting on our Quasar threads! I imagine that I have been giving you quite a bit of work lately with my questions on the effectiveness of LED therapy and my recent questions about infrared radiation. But I imagine that these discussions will benefit everyone that has bought or is considering buying one of these devices.
I look forward to your replies!
Theresa |
I couldn't agree more. Just like you will see in my most recent posts, my greatest hope is that all the detractors can slowly be weeded out and bring more clarity to the abilities of Light Therapy. |
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Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:16 am |
| FoxyMama1 wrote: |
I have had trouble ajusting to my Quasar SP after using my Baby for 4 months. After 2 treatments with the Quasar I called James and told him that I wasn't getting the plumping of the skin like I did with the Baby, and he has been more than happy try help me find a regimen best suited for my skin. I was using the Quasar just the way I used the Baby every 5 days, and James asked me to use it every 3 days instead, and "Voila" I think I am seeing results....Infact, James still does not know, I got to call him tomorrow to let him know that I am happy with the 3 day routine for 36 minutes. There you go James - now you know...LOL.
I can only speak for myself - for me it was a matter of fine tuning. Thanks James. |
I know now! Our work still isn't done. Remember, you and I have a few more conversations to go in order to get the best regimen for you. Great to hear, and I am sure that this may be reassuring to others as well.
I spend most of my day on the phone doing exactly what you have mentioned. We offer general guidelines, but I have made it a mission to find the best regimen for you in order to achieve maximum benefit.
James |
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Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:50 am |
I think Swissmiss has a very legitimate question, asking if the (baby)Quasar has been tested itself. I wondered that myself too, do you have that information James? when you apply for the FDA I assume you will have to come up with that information as well?
Its easy to say that well you buy a Honda, or Chanel you do not know either, but at least those are established brandnames. When someone is willing to spend 450 or 1800 dollars, it is reasonable to get an answer how we know that it has the wavelights you say it has? |
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Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:53 am |
| and i do not see any reason why we couldn't put our thoughts or answers about the Quasar here.... that's where this forum is for.... this forum brought a lot of business because of that too .... so... |
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Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:09 am |
| hkyarrington wrote: |
I think Swissmiss has a very legitimate question, asking if the (baby)Quasar has been tested itself. I wondered that myself too, do you have that information James? when you apply for the FDA I assume you will have to come up with that information as well?
Its easy to say that well you buy a Honda, or Chanel you do not know either, but at least those are established brandnames. When someone is willing to spend 450 or 1800 dollars, it is reasonable to get an answer how we know that it has the wavelights you say it has? |
First, HK, I totally agree.
FOR ALL TO READ. UNDERSTANDING MY POSITION MOVING FORWARD
Because I chose to engage in a part of the business that I have no authority over, I can now only offer limited answers and access to sensitive, legal, government, or FDA information. Not a bad thing, I go back to the fun part of the business that my reputation is built on.
Luckily for me, I just go back to the good times of helping customers who have questions about light therapy, want to do comparison shopping, or need my help because they want to find the correct regimen on achieving results for specific things. And, of course, talk to all of our existing customers from time to time, which I love!
That is the part of my career I enjoy most, and what others have written positive and heart warming comments about.
HK - Now to your questions...
What I can tell you is that we are manufacturing our devices in FDA approved facilities, and do have FDA approal on our devices.
We always offered the wavelength range that we use, but our sequepulse technology and specific wavelengths are sources of competitive advantage, and therefor you may not find them public. We have to be using technology that is FDA approved, or our devices would not be approved.
I really do hope that makes sense.
For Everyone continued
Back to the James you are used to (hope that is a good thing   )
The James you speak to when talking about Light Therapy, Quasars, how it will work for you, how to better treatments and techniques, and on and on and on. The things you were used to from all my previous posts.
Yes, from time-to-time, I can answer some more burning questions, but if they are out of my authority at AdvanThera, you must contact our CEO directly.
Yes, I will continue to point you to places and products that answer questions for you.
I think this will make us both happy when it comes to my relationship with you. The sensitive topics I mentioned must be directed to our CEO Peter Nesbitt at: peter@advanthera.com
I do hope you understand. I would appreciate your repsonses or PM's letting me know your thoughts. I do take our customers to heart and accept you as friends and family.
Being between a rock and a hard place put me in an even further bad place by potentially disrupting my reputation that I had with you, and I value that too much to risk it. I did risk it by replying to a question that I shouldn't have, and taking it a little personal (sorry swiss).
The questions you are asking are valid and I do encourage you to seek those answers by contacting our CEO and OTHER companies as well. I wish I was allowed to do this for you, but currently, it is not in my authority to do so.
Simply. I miss you gals/guys. It was not my job to offer my personal contact information and ability to reach me on weekends, nights, crazy hours. It was my choice when joining AdvanThera. Why? Because of the amazing customers and my belief and witness to the technology.
- Be Well -
James Bressi
AdvanThera
P: 800.944.1523
C: 610.999.2668
E: jamesbressi@AdvanThera.com
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Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:37 am |
| TheresaL wrote: |
AnnieR-I suppose there could be a link to the studies that I am wondering about. I have for the most part followed the BQ thread and don't recall there being such a link but I may have missed it. I think there are links for the Gentle Waves studies and maybe the NASA studies which from what I saw were on wound healing.
I wish there were a way to search within a thread and have the search go right to the relevant post! |
AnnieR I feel so stupid but I have found a better way to search for something in a long thread. When you do your search check "display results as posts" instead of "display results as threads". You still can't search within a thread but if you use the right search terms it pulls up the actually post and you don't need to go through an entire thread like the BQ one. You may already know this though! And I thought I knew how to do searches!! |
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Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:57 am |
| I am bumping up this thread. It seems as though we have 60 pages devoted to the Baby Q . In that thread people are asking questions regarding the Quasar SP. I hope bumping up this thread will make things a little easier for you. |
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Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:58 am |
Hi everyone,
I bought the quasar sp. I have used it a total of four times over the span of a week. I have tried it on every strength level. I see absolutely no improvement nor do I have a rosy effect or feeling of tightening after using it. My capillaries haven't been improved at all. The only benefit is that my pores are slightly smaller. Can anyone give me some insight? I want to be able to return this before it's too late.
Thanks
marie |
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Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:07 am |
| bogiegolfer wrote: |
Hi everyone,
I bought the quasar sp. I have used it a total of four times over the span of a week. I have tried it on every strength level. I see absolutely no improvement nor do I have a rosy effect or feeling of tightening after using it. My capillaries haven't been improved at all. The only benefit is that my pores are slightly smaller. Can anyone give me some insight? I want to be able to return this before it's too late.
Thanks
marie |
I don't believe that four uses is enough to see results. Some members have reported results after the first use. Other have waited several weeks. Personally, my skin looked firmer and better after the first use. However, by the next day I was back to square one. I use the SP three times a week for approximately 5 months. Before the SP I had the Baby Q. I have noticed a positive change in my skin.
I forget but believe the SP comes with a 60 or 90 day money back guarantee. Check your warranty and give the unit some time. If you notice that it is not meeting you expectations you can return it. |
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Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:09 pm |
| PLEASE check with James at the site--he will be able to give the information you need. I personally have had WONDERFUL results with the Quasar SP--i would not trade this for anything!! |
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