It works!! Eye wrinkles gone with MD Forte and TNS
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Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:53 am

Hm...I'm glad you mentioned that, rileygirl. But what about the concentration of 'tetrahexyldecyl ascorbate' in the products you've used? Because it's very high in SkinMedica's TNS Night Eye Repair, and in the only scientific study available on the subject matter, they used a concentration of 7% - with successful results.

There is 'tetrahexyldecyl ascorbate' in the Nia24 Eye Repair, but it's featured far down on the list of ingredients...

free skin care · Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:10 am

Arandjel wrote:

Hm...I'm glad you mentioned that, rileygirl. But what about the concentration of 'tetrahexyldecyl ascorbate' in the products you've used? Because it's very high in SkinMedica's TNS Night Eye Repair, and in the only scientific study available on the subject matter, they used a concentration of 7% - with successful results.

There is 'tetrahexyldecyl ascorbate' in the Nia24 Eye Repair, but it's featured far down on the list of ingredients...

That's a good question! I think the percent was on the lower end, definitely no more than 10%.

Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:46 am

According to available information, 'tetrahexyldecyl ascorbate' should only be used in concentrations of .5 - 7%. I think it has to do with its alleged superior absorption rate.

free skin care · Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:40 am

Arandjel wrote:

According to available information, 'tetrahexyldecyl ascorbate' should only be used in concentrations of .5 - 7%. I think it has to do with its alleged superior absorption rate.

Arandjel,

As you do seem to be quite farmiliar with ingredients used in skin care, what is your informed opinion about this form of Vitamin C?

TIA
DM

free skin care · Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:51 am

Arandjel, I used the TNS Illuminating Eye Cream for over a year and, although I didn't age in the eye area during that time, it most definitely did nothing amazing. When compared to the TNS Night Repair Eye, I would have to say that for me, there simply is no comparison. The Night Repair works wonders, while the Illuminating Eye Cream pretty much just maintained the status quo.

Also, since you are very sensitive to acids, if you do decide to try the MD Forte Rejuvenation Eye, you might want to begin by applying every second or third night. When I first used it, I used it every night and had a very strong reaction to it - redness, peeling and flaking under the eye. ~ JJ

free skin care · Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:56 am

WhiteWolf wrote:

Thanks for the post. I've been trying this combo but with Neocutis instead of TNS. I am super paranoid about the MDForte because of the Retina A in it. (I've been trying to get pregnant and everything says Retina A is a no-no). So I use the MDForte sparingly but I can tell it's doing something along with the Neocutis.

P.S. I'll post back my results with that combo. Smile

White Wolf, you might want to show your doctor the ingredients in the MD Forte. It is retinol, not actual retin-a, and I don't know if retinol, used sparingly as you are doing, is allowed or not when trying to get pregnant. Best to let your doctor give his okay. And good for you that something is working! Let us know how it goes ~ JJ

free skin care · Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:58 am

ShastaGirl wrote:

Ok, I did it! I bought some samples of TNS Night Eye repair off eBay. With all of the positive comments, I couldn't resist.

I'm debating on getting the MD Forte though. I have some other AHA serum with retinyl acetate already. It's not specific for eyes, but I tolerate it fine in the undereye area. Do you think using the exact MD Forte product is required for success? Or will an alternate AHA/retinol product work? I may have to try it and see...

Shasta, I would think an alternate AHA/retinol product would work. I have only used the MD Forte in conjunction with the TNS Night Repair, but it's certainly worth a try. ~ JJ

free skin care · Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:02 am

skinlover wrote:

Hi, does MD Formulation Vit-A Eye Cream has the same ingredients as MD Forte Rejuvenation Eye ?

EDS no loner carries MD Forte, so i wonder if i can alternateMD Formulation Vit-A eye and TNS eye cream instead.

Btw, what is the exact name for the TNS eye cream?

Skinlover, those two MD eye products have different ingredients. I would think that any good glycolic/retinol type eye cream would work in conjunction with the TNS Night Repair Eye. However, my personal experience is limited to MD Forte Skin Rejuvenation Eye with TNS Night Repair. HTH! ~ JJ

free skin care · Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:27 am

jjbeacham wrote:

I would think that any good glycolic/retinol type eye cream would work in conjunction with the TNS Night Repair Eye. However, my personal experience is limited to MD Forte Skin Rejuvenation Eye with TNS Night Repair. HTH! ~ JJ

So maybe TNS would work similar with nightly use of RA cream 0,05 (applied after RA for an hour)?

free skin care · Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:44 am

*mirjana* wrote:

jjbeacham wrote:

I would think that any good glycolic/retinol type eye cream would work in conjunction with the TNS Night Repair Eye. However, my personal experience is limited to MD Forte Skin Rejuvenation Eye with TNS Night Repair. HTH! ~ JJ

So maybe TNS would work similar with nightly use of RA cream 0,05 (applied after RA for an hour)?

mirjana, that's how I'm going to try it,since I'm already using RA cream under my eyes every other night. It saves me from buying another eye cream.

free skin care · Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:44 am

*mirjana* wrote:

jjbeacham wrote:

I would think that any good glycolic/retinol type eye cream would work in conjunction with the TNS Night Repair Eye. However, my personal experience is limited to MD Forte Skin Rejuvenation Eye with TNS Night Repair. HTH! ~ JJ

So maybe TNS would work similar with nightly use of RA cream 0,05 (applied after RA for an hour)?

Mirjana, the way I did it was to use the products on alternate nights. I never layered the TNS over the acidic MD Forte. However, I am very sensitive to retin-a; when I use it on my face at night, I wait 30-45 minutes and then apply a layer of hempseed oil. I never have redness, peeling or flaking this way.

If your undereye area can handle the retin-a, I would still use it by itself with a moisturizer of some type over it after about 30 minutes. Then use the TNS the next night. If I personally were going to use the TNS and the MD Forte every night, I would apply the acids, leave on for 30-45 minutes and then wash off before applying TNS. Because that way, the acids have had time to work, but I'm removing the residue and applying the TNS to clean skin.

I put a moisturizing eye cream over the TNS as well, as I haven't found the TNS product to be moisturizing enough for my eyes. In essence, what I was trying to do here was use the MD Forte (or in your case retin-a) to smooth out the eye area, to create a smooth canvas of sorts and allow better penetration of the TNS Night Repair the next night.

Here again, though, it's whatever works for you. I knew my limitations and worked from there. I envy anyone who can apply retin-a and not look like a tomato the next morning. Laughing

Thank goodness Miranda shared her tip about the hemp oil, or I would still be struggling with that. HTH! ~JJ

free skin care · Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:47 am

brierrose wrote:

*mirjana* wrote:

jjbeacham wrote:

I would think that any good glycolic/retinol type eye cream would work in conjunction with the TNS Night Repair Eye. However, my personal experience is limited to MD Forte Skin Rejuvenation Eye with TNS Night Repair. HTH! ~ JJ

So maybe TNS would work similar with nightly use of RA cream 0,05 (applied after RA for an hour)?

mirjana, that's how I'm going to try it,since I'm already using RA cream under my eyes every other night. It saves me from buying another eye cream.

I don't blame you. If I had thought my eyes could handle the retin-a, I probably would have tried this too. Remember that the MD Forte has lots of glycolic as well, so that may be a factor - it's what worked for me. Another thing I would like to point out is that although these treatments come in the normal one-half ounce size, they last a really long time, especially when you are alternating nights. They both should be applied in a thin layer. ~ JJ

free skin care · Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:03 pm

JJ, you can envy me Smile

, also Riley told me that I am the lucky one as far as I have no side effects of RA at all. I was using the hemp oil in first month of using Ra and it helped a lot with itchy and burned neck, bet very quickly all side effects became milder and now (in third month) I already started to notice some improvements without trace of any irritations.

Thanks a lot for advice, I will read this thread again and decide. After all I need something to add in PM care for my eyes, specially for upper eye area. Under eye area is pretty nice in despite of my fear what RA will do Cool

free skin care · Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:11 pm

*mirjana* wrote:

JJ, you can envy me Smile

, also Riley told me that I am the lucky one as far as I have no side effects of RA at all. I was using the hemp oil in first month of using Ra and it helped a lot with itchy and burned neck, bet very quickly all side effects became milder and now (in third month) I already started to notice some improvements without trace of any irritations.

Thanks a lot for advice, I will read this thread again and decide. After all I need something to add in PM care for my eyes, specially for upper eye area. Under eye area is pretty nice in despite of my fear what RA will do Cool

Oh, I do, I do envy you!!! Laughing

Riley is right - you are very lucky, and I believe in RA completely. Your skin can handle RA in the eye area from the sound of it. Good luck with it! JJ

free skin care · Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:21 pm

brierrose wrote:

mirjana, that's how I'm going to try it,since I'm already using RA cream under my eyes every other night. It saves me from buying another eye cream.

We can try together than Smile

I am pretty happy with my daily eye care (EES and DermaRadiant Ageless Eyes),so when I read about this I think maybe I found something really effective for night in addition to RA. Good luck to us Smile

free skin care · Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:29 pm

*mirjana* wrote:

brierrose wrote:

mirjana, that's how I'm going to try it,since I'm already using RA cream under my eyes every other night. It saves me from buying another eye cream.

We can try together than Smile

I am pretty happy with my daily eye care (EES and DermaRadiant Ageless Eyes),so when I read about this I think maybe I found something really effective for night in addition to RA. Good luck to us Smile

Yes, good luck to us!!! I read your posts on the EES thread, and I have several friends who have had wonderful results with EES. It's all about what works, you know? I'm going to try it soon myself. I just haven't really needed it yet because the TNS/MD Forte have worked so well. But you know how we girls are - always have to try the next great thing. Laughing

free skin care · Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:37 pm

jjbeacham - Just wanted to say that all of this info is fantastically helpful. Thank you for answering questions and being so supportive. I may well be joining in with the pleas for help as I intend to start trying these as soon as my ReVive eye product has run out.

free skin care · Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:17 pm

Mirjana, I noticed you said you were needing something for your upper eyelid. I don't know how JJ uses the TNS eye cream, but the instructions I got with it say not to use it on the upper lid, so I have avoided that area. Are you using your Retin A on you lids? You can use the RA on the lids (very, very small amount and start out with only twice a week if you are going to try it), or you can apply RA on the brow bone and it will "travel" to the lid.

free skin care · Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:23 pm

Riley, thanks for warning. I don't ever apply RA directly on my upper eyelid, just on the area under brows,just as you said. I count on that "traveling" Smile

Maybe it will be OK to use TNS on the same way?

free skin care · Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:51 pm

*mirjana* wrote:

Riley, thanks for warning. I don't ever apply RA directly on my upper eyelid, just on the area under brows,just as you said. I count on that "traveling" Smile

Maybe it will be OK to use TNS on the same way?

It may be just fine, and honestly I am not sure why they tell you not do. I think sometimes they are just playing it safe! I'm going to send an email to the company and see what they say. I'll report back!

free skin care · Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:34 pm

*mirjana* wrote:

Riley, thanks for warning. I don't ever apply RA directly on my upper eyelid, just on the area under brows,just as you said. I count on that "traveling" Smile

Maybe it will be OK to use TNS on the same way?

I DO use TNS on the upper lid, but only under the brow. Same way I use the MD Forte. And then when I apply something moisturizing, I put in on the entire upper lid. I've used this for a while now and have had no side effects other than good ones. HTH! ~ JJ

free skin care · Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:52 pm

jjbeacham wrote:

I DO use TNS on the upper lid, but only under the brow. Same way I use the MD Forte. And then when I apply something moisturizing, I put in on the entire upper lid. I've used this for a while now and have had no side effects other than good ones. HTH! ~ JJ

Hi jj. Can you tell me more about your "good" side effects of using these products on your upper lid area? Have you noticed a lifting effect? TIA Smile

free skin care · Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:16 pm

Songbird wrote:

jjbeacham wrote:

I DO use TNS on the upper lid, but only under the brow. Same way I use the MD Forte. And then when I apply something moisturizing, I put in on the entire upper lid. I've used this for a while now and have had no side effects other than good ones. HTH! ~ JJ

Hi jj. Can you tell me more about your "good" side effects of using these products on your upper lid area? Have you noticed a lifting effect? TIA Smile

Hi, Songbird! It's as if my eyes are opened wider open now. The upper lid is more taut, and tighter; a few months ago, I could have pinched some skin there - now I can't. So yes, I would say there is a definite lifting effect on my uppers. HTH! ~ JJ

free skin care · Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:28 pm

rileygirl wrote:

*mirjana* wrote:

Riley, thanks for warning. I don't ever apply RA directly on my upper eyelid, just on the area under brows,just as you said. I count on that "traveling" Smile

Maybe it will be OK to use TNS on the same way?

It may be just fine, and honestly I am not sure why they tell you not do. I think sometimes they are just playing it safe! I'm going to send an email to the company and see what they say. I'll report back!

I gotta say, Skinmedica has great customer service. They respond very quickly to questions! Here is the response from them regarding the eye cream on the lid:

"In response to your inquiry, since we do not test our products on the eyelids, we do not recommend you use any of our eye products on your eyelids."

So, basically they are just covering themselves!

free skin care · Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:36 pm

JJ, have you noticed firming under your eyes as well?

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