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Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:42 am  |
| Idealist wrote: |
| Oh, well, whoops...latexy? Feels a little bit like a certain other 'device' I have made of latex, but yeah, maybe not exactly. Similar I thought. Rubbery. |
toothbrush, right?  U vixen! |
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Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:07 am |
I just ran out to get something for lunch, and the deli commented on how "sunburned" I looked.  I just let him think that, that since it was far easier than to explain a derma pen treatment 2 days ago, sigh. At least I am not bruised this time, but I sure wish the redness would go away! |
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Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:01 pm |
You got off lightly then  . Well, at least there's no pumpkin head to report  |
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Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:13 pm |
| Idealist wrote: |
| You got off lightly then . Well, at least there's no pumpkin head to report |
The swelling isn't as bad this time, thank goodness. |
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Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:42 pm |
| The swelling is harder to tolerate. But it seems to be the worst around the eyes for me,or I should say the most noticeable, although the first couple of days I am generally swollen. It's good that you have found a way to treat more tolerably. It seems for me that I swell regardless as to which length, particularly if I use it around the eye area. Redness only lasted one day last time though. I found LED helpful for swelling. I usually started it on the 3rd day. |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:28 pm |
| Great info! Although I wonder about the timeline. Does the laser happen 5 mins after or within a few days? The wording is a little vague. |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:31 pm |
That is very encouraging about how effective the dermapen can actually be at skin remodeling. I momentarily imagined my-m followed by reaura for the ultimate skin remodeling treatment, but, I'll leave that one for someone else to try. I wouldn't do it on my face, but might consider it on my arms where I have damaged thin skin from a lot of corticosteroid use as a child spent covered in exzema. But not until it has more study behind it of course. I will start with reaura alone. That reminds me. I have never tried needling the area. I should.
I really hope dermapen invests in some studies. I am keen to learn more about lengths needed. I still feel I need 1mm for collagen induction at least, but believe it may be more effective in certain areas at 1.5. This doesn't really make sense given where the collagen is deposited, but it may have more to do with the wounding cascade, in which case might me completely variable in different people. For instance the wounding cascade seems to be triggered in me even with the shortest lengths. Does that mean I will develop new collagen? There's a lot of questions that only a good study could tell us for sure. Otherwise we are left with the same parameters. I suspect that as the pro devices go to longer lengths, that they feel from whatever information they have, that longer is at least necessary in some instances. I would like to know a typical treatment protocol suggested by dermapen re. lengths on different facial areas. |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:32 pm |
| LauraLizzie wrote: |
| Great info! Although I wonder about the timeline. Does the laser happen 5 mins after or within a few days? The wording is a little vague. |
"Soon after" was definitely vague, lol. But I assumed she meant like 5 mins later.
However what I found odd was why they would apply a C and E treat, and treat with the laser? |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:47 pm |
| That also made me wonder as we do laser on clean bare skin. |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:54 pm |
I found the comment about the DermaPen being piston-driven interesting. Didn't Sarah ask about whether the DermaPen was piston- driven? Anyone remember?
While the device is not yet specifically FDA cleared for adjunctive use in tattoo removal , its minimally-traumatic fractional micro wounding via piston-driven needle oscillation is safe to use and may be of benefit to the procedure,
ETA: Maybe they add Vit C. because it is suppose to help with skin lightening but I really have no idea. |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:09 pm |
| CookieD wrote: |
I found the comment about the DermaPen being piston-driven interesting. Didn't Sarah ask about whether the DermaPen was piston- driven? Anyone remember?
While the device is not yet specifically FDA cleared for adjunctive use in tattoo removal , its minimally-traumatic fractional micro wounding via piston-driven needle oscillation is safe to use and may be of benefit to the procedure,
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Good, question, Cookie.
I recall the info re solenoid vs piston-driven. (prob 'cuz I'd been in awe of solenoids since my dad introduced me way back in my early teens to the understanding of their function as he’d share his auto/motor building hobby w/ me) - When I first read the following posts from the DJ thread (see below), I was initially confused because in a motor, a solenoid ( w/o elaborate details etc.) has subsequent impact on the pistons…..
HTHs with JamesM post below re DermaPen
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3. Spring and electromagnetic device - I find it difficult to believe that an electromagnetic device that small would have the strength to pull the needles up consistently with great speed. This could be the reason the Dermajet is only capable of 15 stamps per second. A much better option, that would give the practitioner the ability to work at greater speeds is to have a piston to push the needles down and a very strong spring to push them back up - not some magnet trying to pull the needles back out... This is why the Dermapen can oscillate at much higher speeds, because this is the system it uses |
| SVaughter wrote: |
Yes, we were very enthousiastic about this device because we invented its operating principle - a strong electromagnet, as we wrote in our article of early 2012. Approx. 1.5 years later the Turkish company Teknomedikal launched exactly such a device, using a solenoid. And when we tested it, it turned out to be the only device that does what we think it should do: Needle very strongly with a short duty-cycle……..
……..All those slim, narrow devices have a too long duty cycle (microtearing) and/or insufficient strength.
There simply is no other way than a solenoid to have both force and speed. And that does not fit in such a "pen"-like device. There is no need to test all devices - it's simple phycics and current human technological capability.
Also: Any type that works on a battery by definition can't work with a solenoid. Solenoids use too much power.
We'll go the solenoid way with our own device. Perhaps we'll find a way to fit in into a "pen" shape, perhaps not……. |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:20 pm |
| ETA - Maybe the DermaPen3 (or whatever the new one is or will be) will also be using a solenoid. I don't remember if that was mentioned here, or on the DJ thread. |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:16 am |
| Kath91 wrote: |
| ETA - Maybe the DermaPen3 (or whatever the new one is or will be) will also be using a solenoid. I don't remember if that was mentioned here, or on the DJ thread. |
Sorry for not posting here lately, its been terribly busy the last week or so. I can confirm that there is no way we will be using a solenoid device for any of our upcoming Dermapens. It simply would not be able to handle the speed of revolutions we want to achieve. I wont comment anymore on that DJ device as it proved itself a lemon. I am 99% sure the person that was selling it had nothing to do with the make-up of the pen, just heard a good story from a Turkish manufacturer and decided to parrot the manufacturers selling points.
Anyway I attempted to read through the last 7 pages of comments that have been posted since I was last here and noticed a few things. What we have found in our development of the Dermapen the thickness of the needles also plays a huge part in the damage you can do to the face as well as the pain levels. The Dermapen uses very thin 33 gauge needles which create a lot less pain and also rarely leave bruising. You will see swelling post treatment as that is normal but rarely the bruising that was mentioned. Sometimes some petechiea underneath the eye. This is one thing I have noticed with every single asian copy on the market they all have much thicker needles. The other point is none of those other devices you see actually have a German motor, every single one of them is either Korean or Chinese. The Koreans are better than the Chinese that is for sure but please compare the post of the one with the German motor and the Skinpen from Bellus Medical and you will see what I mean. You will see that this is the same device with some tiny cosmetic adjustments - This is from China:
http://www.skinpen.com/
http://www.ibeautymachine.com/motorized-micro-needle-system-12-needle-rechargeable.html
Bethany, on the forehead you really dont need to use anymore than 0.5mm - I think 100% of the people that I have treated on this depth on the forehead have bleed so I would suggest 1mm is too deep there. This is one of the reasons why I would prefer having a test and some proper training for people before they purchase so they know things like this and it doesnt come down to trial and error for them. We certainly don't want needling banned because of something terrible happening as was mentioned in one of the posts.
Based on what we have seen here we do hope to make the Dermapen Personal a reality with some longer needles, but it may take a little bit of time to set it up, as we want to do it right. You will be able to purchase directly of thewww.dermapenworld.com website and you will also have a 1 year guaranteed warranty, that you can actually put faith in |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:11 am |
Hi girls
I´m wondering is anyone here using dermapen to treat their stretch marks ? |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:21 am |
I think the only thing we can do about counterfeit items is try to be extra cautious about sellers, their feedback etc and only buy using protection through the site and always use your credit card...my bank is always helpful in resolving such disputes for me.
I am a member of several forums and mention fraudulent claims and seller problems - awareness is key. I belong to some sites where the members are huge consumers.
As more and more websites become less credible, I find myself participating more in groups where people only swap and sell amongst themselves and reputation is everything - and information is shared between people who know and trust each other.
The problem is more common with big, fancy status names Coach, Mac, etc...when I find things that work better for with less splashy names, I stick with them - or buy direct when I get discounts.
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:38 am |
Did you use a credit card? Call your bank and have them open a dispute. They will charge back the seller. You have the proof to send them if they ask for it.
BFG |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:35 am |
| JamesM wrote: |
| Based on what we have seen here we do hope to make the Dermapen Personal a reality with some longer needles, but it may take a little bit of time to set it up, as we want to do it right. You will be able to purchase directly of thewww.dermapenworld.com website and you will also have a 1 year guaranteed warranty, that you can actually put faith in. |
James, great news! Thanks for the update! Any idea about a ballpark price for this personal model? |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:24 am |
File a PayPal complaint...you money will be returned ASAP. |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:26 am |
| JamesM wrote: |
Bethany, on the forehead you really dont need to use anymore than 0.5mm - I think 100% of the people that I have treated on this depth on the forehead have bleed so I would suggest 1mm is too deep there. This is one of the reasons why I would prefer having a test and some proper training for people before they purchase so they know things like this and it doesnt come down to trial and error for them. We certainly don't want needling banned because of something terrible happening as was mentioned in one of the posts.
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Thanks James! Very much looking forward to your new offering. |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:31 am |
| James, I will be interested in the DermaPen personal also. Please report back when you have the details worked out. Thanks |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:56 am |
| Yubs wrote: |
| JamesM wrote: |
| Based on what we have seen here we do hope to make the Dermapen Personal a reality with some longer needles, but it may take a little bit of time to set it up, as we want to do it right. You will be able to purchase directly of thewww.dermapenworld.com website and you will also have a 1 year guaranteed warranty, that you can actually put faith in. |
James, great news! Thanks for the update! Any idea about a ballpark price for this personal model? |
$495AUS +$35AUS intl shipping is the price here:
http://www.dermapenworld.com/products/dermapen-personal.html
Unfortunately the needle lengths are fixed at 0.3mm and 0.5mm the ad says.  |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:59 am |
| bethany wrote: |
File a PayPal complaint...you money will be returned ASAP. |
Have done so. He will refund my money when he receives the device back he says. Still waiting for the "return shipping" money to show up in my PP account too. This vendor is PANTS! |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:03 am |
hey Fawnie, the max length on that model is .5mm
From his message, (thanks James) appears they are still working on making models available with longer needles for personal use.
I've been fascinated looking at the other models on that page - wondering about the 3 and the RF.
I'd love to buy a bunch, lol.
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