Do you do Facial Exercises?
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free skin care · Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:04 am

bethany wrote:

Antonia wrote:

sorry to be caught up in details but I did read that right. The reviewer said this:

Price (paid by reviewer)
£360.00

Where to find it
clinic

I think that is for a series of 4 classes taught at the Eva Fraser Centre.

I paid $11.85 USD on Amazon for the book.
http://www.amazon.com/Frasers-Facial-Workout-Penguin-fitness/dp/0140147136/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230518742&sr=8-1

i was thinking the same that maybe someone got ripped off big time!!. But it makes sense if there is more than one session/class that the reviewer paid for

free skin care · Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:05 am

I really like Eva's work.... they are not as aggressive as FlexEffect exercises, and for some of her advanced ones she has you use gloves to maintain a grip. The slight difference that I notice between hers and FE, is that in finger placement. For the FE advanced exercises, we try to get you to lock on near the origin of the muscle (where it starts) whereas in Eva's she has you lock on either midway or at the insertion (end of the muscle). I think her dvd's are good, in fact her latest one even has her talking at the beginning with a muscle diagram telling you about the facial muscles. I think its much like any program though... starting out will take a lot longer than 10-15 minutes but when you have the routine under your belt, you could probably perform them easily.

Eva is a great inspiration to many (including myself) and she really does walk her talk and embody everything that she teaches (like Deb & Loulou as well as many others).

Antonia - I think the £360 is for a course of facial exericse lessons with her or one of her teachers and is a number of sessions not just the book.

Toby wrote:

Sean,
How does her program compare to FlexEffect as far as time and resistance training? Also I wondered why it didn't did marketed here in the USA? Or at least I haven't seen it being offered from vendors here.
Toby

free skin care · Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:09 am

Sis, I think when I asked her about it she said she didn't use handcream (and said that people often gasped when they heard that) and that ocassionally she did a hand scrub with caster sugar. She said that when she did try handcream out, she used to find her skin didn't snap back as much as when she didn't.

I don't think she does pinch massaging, although in her book she does do tapping in a sequence around the eyes, nl area, and the jawline and she also massages the neck and ears (the neck she strokes upwards lightly from memory). I do think she her method does get results for sure.

sister sweets wrote:

SeanySeanUK wrote:

Oh yes I do know Eva... in fact I began my facial exercising with her method and she is absolutely inspirational and informative. Her method is also great as well... and I have to say her photos don't do the lady justice. I am particularly envious of her hands... they are also like her face super young.

Hey Sean - Any idea how she keeps her hands super young looking?
thanks -
Sis

free skin care · Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:39 am

Antonia wrote:

sorry to be caught up in details but I did read that right. The reviewer said this:

Price (paid by reviewer)
£360.00

Where to find it
clinic

Perhaps this is something different. Anyhow, at the risk of sounding like a stuck CD, today, I caught sight of my face 3/4 on in the loo mirror and saw (instead of the usual mid-face curvature), a heart-shape, with the bulk of the soft tissues over my cheekbone. I'm not going to post pics yet as I want to keep at it for a full six months, but it really does look quite different.

Unfortunately, the wrinkles are still over my plumper upper-cheeks Sad

Antonia i see a difference in my lower face too Very Happy

My jaw line is starting to look more defined. I was starting to get a little waddle even though i dont carry extra weight Surprised

and i can see it disappearing.

I do loulou's jaw one plus the kiss the ceiling one thats popular here. Plus i do one where you push your jaw forward and press your tongue against lower teeth at the same time as you push forward.

Ive been avoiding the buccinator one as i dont think i need my lower face looking 'pulled in' as my lower cheeks already look a bit too thin. If anything i want to plump that area out not make it slimmer looking.

free skin care · Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:01 am

How long have you been doing the exercises, Carol? I'd love the slimmer lower face myself - and high cheekbones (or cheekmuscles Wink

). That's the beauty of facial exercises - they can be adapted to suit. BRILLIANT!!!!!

Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:15 am

I searched for 'facial exercises' to help with my recently developing nasolabial lines(just turned 32)and i hate them. I came across flexaway and facial flex and decided to buy flexaway due to some good feedback. I ordered straightaway and recieved mine after 12 days wait, BUT was disappointed, cant keep the lip guard in under my lip at all,and even after using moisturing cream, i was bleeding at the corners of my mouth, i have been trying to use it for a while but with no success. I ordered the one with holes on the front with special request (I suffer from allergic rhinitis and sometimes have blocked nose), i have been emailing Bev to ask her why i wasnt sent what i requested, no reply, i kept asking for reply then she emailed me saying that my order's been shipped on 5th December, well i already received that item and that wasnt my question, i have asked her again but no reply yet. Now i have decided to return it and want the return address, is it the same address which is on the parcel? Beverly hanna 1011 S Thompson St?and do we have to send it vis secured delivery? I have noticed that Bev would get back to you quick with short emails before you put your order in and if you want to enquire about something afterwards, just forget about it! I am not happy with what i received while clealy stating what i wanted, if that is an old version she should have informed me before shipping teh item!

Just to say facial exercises (like flexeffect and lulu's book) are the best, you just pucker and prout your lips and can see all the muscles moving from forehead to neck, and you dont need to put any silly items in your mouth, can do it anywhere!

Best wishes and HAPPY NEW YEAR!

free skin care · Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:35 am

Yes, kha, that's the beauty of it - you don't need any devices or equipment to do the exercises from LouLou and FE. Completely portable! Sorry to hear about your frustration with that company....grrr. Welcome to EDS!
Happy New Year!

free skin care · Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:13 am

I posted this in another thread too...i dunno if excercises can help or its a different problem altogether but im so worried now. Please help!

I neeeed help pleasssee advice what to do!!!.

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/cpBcAbnBY097lk9jJ_kjVg?authkey=I1iRMKebWKY&feat=directlink

i attached a link to the picture above. Its re my eyes. One eye seems smaller then the other. I noticed this in couple of photos like a week or so ago. I dint have this problem before cause i did not notice them in photos before........At first i thought i was smiling in that so tht made the eye look smaller......But i have looked in the mirror and taken heaps of photos since then to check the problem......And it seems true...one eye is smaller then the other. It seemes lopsided ....... Crying or Very sad

What do i do? is it a droppping eye lid? Please help........All my photos just tend to look weird now with one small eye Crying or Very sad

I am only 24 to deal with this problem.....I dunno how it happend maybe i bumped that eye or its a sagging eye lid what do you think? What can i do? Crying or Very sad

free skin care · Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:58 am

simran wrote:

I posted this in another thread too...i dunno if excercises can help or its a different problem altogether but im so worried now. Please help! I neeeed help pleasssee advice what to do!!!.

The first thing to do is try to calm down, and take it one step at a time..

You say you noticed it about "a week or so ago", so it isn't 'chronic'. Do you have any pain behind or anywhere around the eye? Do you notice any change in vision? Have you lost weight recently? (Sounds strange, but we don't always lose the 'fat' evenly, and even a small amount of weight could manifest itself unevenly in the eye area). Do you have tearing for no apparent reason? Did you change the position you sleep in lately, on that side for instance? Do you have allergies? Have you had an upper respiratory infection recently? What about cosmetics? New ones? Ones that cause irritation? Do you use Lumigan? Exactly what eye products do you use? Did you ever have Botox?

In any event if the pressure in your eye is normal, and your vision is stable, it probably isn't anything to worry about. To be safe, it's best to see an Opthamologist to rule out anything going on behind the eyes... Once you get a clean bill of health, then you can start ruling out other causes. The one thing you can probably rule out right off the bat is an Amblyopic (lazy eye), because that doesn't cause eye shrinkage.

I bet you will find that it's just something simple, and you will get to the bottom of it quickly... Please read the questions I wrote above again, because that is what the Doc will be asking you. It's a good idea to write yourself a little list of answers to the above questions, and anything else that will help you get a thorough exam and diagnosis... Write your questions down as well... It's easy to forget everything and draw a blank otherwise.

HTH!

free skin care · Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:29 am

KassyA....thanks for replying soo quick. I did not even know what an Opthamologist was until i did a google search reading your post. Should i go to an optometrist first? Should I wait a week or so more and try sleeping on my other side only?

I had a look through my pics again. I see one on Nov 7....so i guess the problem is 2 months old Shock

.....but some pics on nov 7 dont have the smaller eye. Also recently I did kind of get into the habit of smiling more one sided and hence i thought it was cause of smiling. But i guess i noticed the problem more last week or so and more so today as i been taking pics without smiling and looking into the mirror more to figure out if it is actually smaller Confused

as for answering your questions as follows:
* Dont have continuous pain behind head or around eye.....but i do sometimes get migrane type headaches...but the headaches been coming and going for couple of months now...doctor said they are migranes...they also sometimes occur after workouts....when i have lots of good sleep and take better care of my diet and drink water i dont get them or so i noticed. Told me to get my eye checked and found a slight change in my vision
* I do wear specs...m supposed to wear them always but i do get slack now and then. I had a slight change in vision about six months or go - so rather than only using them to see distance i was told to wear it always so im not straining eyes as that will make vision worse
* My weight I think I lost 2 Kgs. But i started my workout yesterday - perhaps loss of water?
* I do get tearing but that is both eyes when i am looking at tv too long or computer screen
* Not sure about "changing" sleeping position. But i do tend to sleep on that side..however i dont sleep on one side throughout the night only
* Dont think i have any allergies. No upper respiratory infection either
* Yes the change in cosmetics i did was starting to use eyeliners(liquid & pencil both) and I tend to use mascara more often now. Started this about 2 months or so ago

The eye products that i use are:
AM
phytomer cleansing milk to wash/often water only
Juara eyecream
DDF organic sunblock
eyeliners
mascara (dont use if i am home)

PM
phytomer cleansing milk
Juara eyecream

Last month i would say i also went bit crazy everyday trying to learn how to apply liquid eyeliners...And i tried both methods using qtip to stretch the lid to stretch the skin to get a straight line and second method was using index finger to hold down lashes while i apply it
** Btw i did apply a dot of PSF 5% BHA lotion....not on the eye area but just below it upper cheek area bone. There was a pimple type thing coming up/maybe blackhead i dunno. So i applied the dot of lotion on my finger tip and swiped it on that. Whatever it was did go away within 2-3days

** I also get electrolysis done on both my eyebrows every 4 weeks/sometimes 5. For about 2 years now. But the time spent on it has been getting less and less each session. Past couple of months eyebrow area hardly needed any work done. To give an idea my last session she did about only 1-2 hairs on each brow. (However because of this problem I am going stop any electrolysis on both brows for a while)

I dont use lumigan
I have never had botox

I am willing to give up most mascaras and eyeliners to see if it makes a change Confused

I can also start to try sleeeping more on other side n my back
should i also do some facial eyelid excercises?

free skin care · Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:34 am

it wont let me edit the post Mad

but forgot to add that the BHA lotion was used about 2 weeks ago.

free skin care · Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:21 am

simran wrote:

KassyA....thanks for replying soo quick. I did not even know what an Opthamologist was until i did a google search reading your post. Should i go to an optometrist first? Should I wait a week or so more and try sleeping on my other side only?

as for answering your questions as follows:
* Dont have continuous pain behind head or around eye.....but i do sometimes get migrane type headaches...but the headaches been coming and going for couple of months now...doctor said they are migranes...they also sometimes occur after workouts....when i have lots of good sleep and take better care of my diet and drink water i dont get them or so i noticed. Told me to get my eye checked and found a slight change in my vision
* I do wear specs...m supposed to wear them always but i do get slack now and then. I had a slight change in vision about six months or go - so rather than only using them to see distance i was told to wear it always so im not straining eyes as that will make vision worse
* My weight I think I lost 2 Kgs. But i started my workout yesterday - perhaps loss of water?
* I do get tearing but that is both eyes when i am looking at tv too long or computer screen
* Not sure about "changing" sleeping position. But i do tend to sleep on that side..however i dont sleep on one side throughout the night only
* Dont think i have any allergies. No upper respiratory infection either
* Yes the change in cosmetics i did was starting to use eyeliners(liquid & pencil both) and I tend to use mascara more often now. Started this about 2 months or so ago

I am willing to give up most mascaras and eyeliners to see if it makes a change Confused

I can also start to try sleeeping more on other side n my back
should i also do some facial eyelid excercises?

Simran, an Optometrist can have a look behind your eyes and see if something is obviously wrong, and prescribe eyeglasses, but an Opthamologist (specialist) is your best alternative to rule in or out diseases of the eye. An Optometrist will have to refer you to an Opthamologist if anything is suspected.

Here's my best advice;

- Make an appointment with an Opthamologist for about a week or so from now. You were told about a vision change, so follow up is needed... During that week while you are waiting;

- Don't use 'any' eyeliner of eye product on the inner eyelid area.. (If possible avoid it altogether.)

- Keep all cosmetics/topicals know closer to the eye than upper cheek, and brow bone.. (The topicals will absorb to the upper and lower lids by manner of encroachment, so you will still benefit. (Try to keep it simple with just a light coating of Avocado, Emu, Squalane or Olive oil if you need moisture....Stay away from silicones, fragrance and occlusive ingredients for now. I'd forego the BHA for now as well.

- Sleep on your other side, or back if possible.

- Wear your glasses girl! (You could be squinting without even realizing it, which could be causing this.) When you feel a migraine coming on treat immediately with meds, ice cold compress on forehead for 10 minutes or so, and lie down in a quiet dark room.

- Try this exercise morning and evening every day on only the affected (left) eye, and see if it helps; While looking in a mirror, put your left index finger snugly just against and under your whole eyebrow following the curve, with the length of your finger (think saluting!). Now lift up your brow, (which will force that eye to open wide), and forcefully do a left eye wink with gusto.. Hold the wink for 5 seconds, relax, then repeat 5 times in all.. Try that A.M. and P.M. every day for a week, and see if it opens that eye back up. (I'm the world's worse with trying to explain this, and hope it's clear.. If not just tell me, and I'll give it another go.)

If it's just a muscle problem that should help to strengthen it. It will also respond fairly quickly. (I do this exercise to both eyes simultaneously, and get a very nice little lift from it....but I'm old droopy drawers.. Embarassed

Try all this, and please keep us posted.

free skin care · Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:36 pm

thanks KassyA m gonna try this and see how it goes. Btw another poster mentioned on another thread that i may have a lil droopy eye on the wide open eye (not the smaller eye which i am worried about). Cause less eyelid skin is visible?. But I am thinking its unlikely to suffer from droppy eyes at the age of 24? Confused

unless maybe electrolysis caused it Confused

free skin care · Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:37 pm

Now back to the regularly scheduled Facial Exercise discussion....

Alley shared this link on another thread, and it has 5 free facial exercises (some I liked, some I didn't). http://www.shapeyourface.com/

This guy says he is 74 and has never had plastic surgery, but take a close look at his eyes. Either he has had surgery, or they look that way because he is not doing multiple eye exercises like in Flex Effect or Ageless? Confused

free skin care · Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:40 pm

Simran, with eyes as beautiful as yours no one will notice the the very tiny difference in size.

free skin care · Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:57 pm

bethany wrote:

Now back to the regularly scheduled Facial Exercise discussion....

Alley shared this link on another thread, and it has 5 free facial exercises (some I liked, some I didn't). http://www.shapeyourface.com/

This guy says he is 74 and has never had plastic surgery, but take a close look at his eyes. Either he has had surgery, or they look that way because he is not doing multiple eye exercises like in Flex Effect or Ageless? Confused

Gosh Beth, this is so interesting. Did you read his theory on hair loss??? I will be spending some time reading here. The thing that is so good from older people is usually they have been through the fads through the years and put a lot of wisdom and experience into what they are doing. Can't wait to read through all of this.

free skin care · Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:20 pm

Toby wrote:

Gosh Beth, this is so interesting. Did you read his theory on hair loss??? I will be spending some time reading here. The thing that is so good from older people is usually they have been through the fads through the years and put a lot of wisdom and experience into what they are doing. Can't wait to read through all of this.

I did...I printed out the section on the scalp exercise and am going to read that tonight. He also has a website on hairloss: http://www.hairloss-reversible.com/

free skin care · Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:10 am

Tom is great.... he is also a brilliant example, but don't forget with Tom, his diet and supplements have always been better than average which isn't always the case when someone starts facial exercising. He is a fitness expert... and was a bodybuilder back in the day.... so he was and is a lot more tuned into his body more than the average person and his muscles and so he knows when they are being worked, underworked or overworked.

Everyone can and does build that knowledge... but its just important to realise that at the beginning.

I do have a great respect and love for him.... he is brilliant and I suspect he didn't have an easy time in the beginning with teaching this stuff... but its wonderful that we are able to look at his stuff now and see the logic behind it. His hair loss exercises really do make so much sense, and I really hope he gets the credit he deserves from the scientific community someday. Very Happy

bethany wrote:

Now back to the regularly scheduled Facial Exercise discussion....

Alley shared this link on another thread, and it has 5 free facial exercises (some I liked, some I didn't). http://www.shapeyourface.com/

This guy says he is 74 and has never had plastic surgery, but take a close look at his eyes. Either he has had surgery, or they look that way because he is not doing multiple eye exercises like in Flex Effect or Ageless? Confused

free skin care · Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:35 am

bethany wrote:

Now back to the regularly scheduled Facial Exercise discussion....

Alley shared this link on another thread, and it has 5 free facial exercises (some I liked, some I didn't). http://www.shapeyourface.com/

This guy says he is 74 and has never had plastic surgery, but take a close look at his eyes. Either he has had surgery, or they look that way because he is not doing multiple eye exercises like in Flex Effect or Ageless? Confused

Hi Bethany,

Do you think his eyes look tight? They do look very young, but I think eyes just do look really young when they get exercise... or do you think upper and lower look unbalanced? I'm interested to hear what you think
Ll Very Happy

free skin care · Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:27 am

Just my 2 cents but I think Tom's eyes probably look strange because he has a positive canthal tilt(turned upwards on the outside edges). It's unusual for an older person to have this as their eyes would normally have dropped all round.

Again this is just my 2 cents. Smile

free skin care · Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:12 am

Mishey wrote:

Just my 2 cents but I think Tom's eyes probably look strange because he has a positive canthal tilt(turned upwards on the outside edges). It's unusual for an older person to have this as their eyes would normally have dropped all round.

Again this is just my 2 cents. Smile

Hi Mishey

I think you've put your finger on it... the large muscle circling the eye does go all the way round, so when it drops it all drops! But I came across Tom's exercises before, and my guess is that he has very developed muscles in the temples (temporalis). This muscle is stuck to the side of the head, and you can't exactly tighten it, but if you do a humungous amount of exercise for it it will thicken and pull the skin around it a little tighter.

I didn't really believe that it was possible or desirable to build the temple muscle to this extent... it would take an awful lot of work, and is almost impossible to do without building the lower jaw (masseter) muscles as the same time, but I do have a lovely friend who has actually done this and the outer corner of her eye now has a little 'kick'.

Also, Tom must have a very, very strong, well-developed scalp which will pull everything out towards the hairline, so this is another reason why the eyes are being pulled up and outward.

Mishey, you have superb powers of observation!

Beth, is the tilt of the eye what you're noticing, d'you think??

Loulou xx

free skin care · Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:37 am

I read very quickly throught Tom's hairloss section and the exercise he uses for the scalp says in the beginning he practiced it for 30 minutes twice a day!!!!!Don't you think that would have some effect on the eyes too.
Toby

free skin care · Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:02 am

I have seen Tom's web site and scalp exercises long ago, I think someone posted alink to it on FE board. It was after reading Tom's web site I realized that I got pretty well developed muscles on the back of my head.

I did not do his exercises, and was doing FlexEffect. I was not specifically focusing on occipitalis, and it developed as a result of doing other facial exercises. So even if you are not doing exercises that specifically target occipitalis, just by doing other facial exercises it is possible to develop occipitalis.

free skin care · Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:20 am

It looks like Tom's #5 exercise is the one that is lifting the upper face - in a vertical and diagonal direction -

This is the same exercise he endorses for hair loss and sseems to view lifting of the upper face as more or less a secondary positive effect.

Very interesting. Maybe he had eyes with an upward tilt to start with (mine are like this) and doing the exercises helped maintain it. There is something sort of artificial looking so I'd have to say it is more extreme.

As a side note - #5 exercise puts me in mind of scalp flex from FE - one of my favs.

free skin care · Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:31 am

otherloulou wrote:

Mishey wrote:

Just my 2 cents but I think Tom's eyes probably look strange because he has a positive canthal tilt(turned upwards on the outside edges). It's unusual for an older person to have this as their eyes would normally have dropped all round.

Again this is just my 2 cents. Smile

Hi Mishey

I think you've put your finger on it... the large muscle circling the eye does go all the way round, so when it drops it all drops! But I came across Tom's exercises before, and my guess is that he has very developed muscles in the temples (temporalis). This muscle is stuck to the side of the head, and you can't exactly tighten it, but if you do a humungous amount of exercise for it it will thicken and pull the skin around it a little tighter.

I didn't really believe that it was possible or desirable to build the temple muscle to this extent... it would take an awful lot of work, and is almost impossible to do without building the lower jaw (masseter) muscles as the same time, but I do have a lovely friend who has actually done this and the outer corner of her eye now has a little 'kick'.

Also, Tom must have a very, very strong, well-developed scalp which will pull everything out towards the hairline, so this is another reason why the eyes are being pulled up and outward.

Mishey, you have superb powers of observation!

Beth, is the tilt of the eye what you're noticing, d'you think??

Loulou xx

The extreme tilt upwards is exactly what I was referring to...slight tilts in caucasians are are not unusual, but his is not natural looking at all. In fact, he looks just like women who have had too many face lifts, and their skin is pulled too tight.

The concept is good, but it looks like he overbuilt that area (IMHO).

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