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Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:43 am  |
| bethany wrote: |
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| Bethany, your chin area looks much slimmer now. Congratulations! Were you on FE before ageless? How was FE for the chin area? |
Ruk, I bought FE but never started it...I have only used Ageless. |
Any reason why you did not want to start FE? |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:48 pm |
Ruk - I think it's the same reason most people don't start nor stick with FE - TIME! LouLou's Ageless is very efficient and effective - 5 minutes a day and great results compared to FE which is a half hour or so and longer to see results.
The FE board tell you to give it a year (although I could see some changes at 4 months for sure). And some have had terrific results. YOu just have to be sure to have that half hour to spare almost everyday 6/7!
Ageless targets some specific areas designed to lift the face where FE focuses all over the face with no one specific target area. Different ways of doing things, different philosophies. |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:51 pm |
| I think it's important too to recognize that some people see results in a few weeks, whereas others may wait a few months before noticing subtle changes in the shape of their faces. |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:25 pm |
| sister sweets wrote: |
Ruk - I think it's the same reason most people don't start nor stick with FE - TIME! LouLou's Ageless is very efficient and effective - 5 minutes a day and great results compared to FE which is a half hour or so and longer to see results.
The FE board tell you to give it a year (although I could see some changes at 4 months for sure). And some have had terrific results. YOu just have to be sure to have that half hour to spare almost everyday 6/7!
Ageless targets some specific areas designed to lift the face where FE focuses all over the face with no one specific target area. Different ways of doing things, different philosophies. |
Wow, that is a big difference. I know I can do 5 minutes a day.
How are instructions in the Ageless download? Are they easy to follow? For some reasons, I have a hard time reading exercise instructions and then try to imagine how they are actually done, so I worry I would do it incorrectly. How do I know if I do the exercises correctly or not? |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:35 pm |
| When you download the book, you will also be able to link to a video of LouLou doing the exercises. |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:47 pm |
| ruk 1 - Lou Lou's book is very easy to follow and she writes her instructions in an easy-to-follow way also. I will sometimes read the instruction for an exercise and then watch it on the video. It is a good way to get used to them. she has a day 1 video and a day 2 video. You can alternate days or do them both one day and skip the next or like me do them both almost everyday. It's really easy - doesn't take much time and the results are incredible. We'll all tell you it was the best $10.00 spent in 2008. |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:29 pm |
| Sister Sweets..are you saying that you didn't see change when first doing FE until 4 months? actually that is really encouraging to me... |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:53 pm |
| ruk1 wrote: |
| bethany wrote: |
| ruk1 wrote: |
| Bethany, your chin area looks much slimmer now. Congratulations! Were you on FE before ageless? How was FE for the chin area? |
Ruk, I bought FE but never started it...I have only used Ageless. |
Any reason why you did not want to start FE? |
| sister sweets wrote: |
Ruk - I think it's the same reason most people don't start nor stick with FE - TIME! LouLou's Ageless is very efficient and effective - 5 minutes a day and great results compared to FE which is a half hour or so and longer to see results.
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As usual, Sis is right on the mark!
I started a new job right after I bought FlexEffect, and could not dedicate the daily 45 mins every day that a newbie would require. So it sat in the drawer after I read the book. Then I found out about Ageless...I work 60-70+ hours a week, but even I can still find time for 5-10 mins a day, 4 days a week.  Ageless is cheap, does not require a ton of time, and gives fast results...what's not to love? 
Many people buy a more expensive, longer program, and then it turns into a waste of money because they don't stick with it (ME!!). I would personally recommend that people start small, with both the time commitment AND the expenditure. If that works well and you want to expand your options, THEN buy another program.
I have no doubt that I will begin using some of the FlexEffect exercises down the road, and I learned a lot from the book. But right now I am not willing to spend 30-45 mins a day, EVERY day, especially if I can't multi-task! (right now I am sitting under my LaserMax for my hair, while I am typing )
BTW, I just read the Eva Frasier book last night and will hopefully post a review later this weekend. |
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Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:51 am |
LOL it sounds a long time, but a year can go pretty quick. Deb says to give FlexEffect training a year, because usually by that time the muscles begin developing equal strength. In FE we go after all the muscles, and so part of that process is discovering which muscles are weak (and sometimes are overcompensated for by our stronger muscles) and weak muscles will resist efforts sometimes right up until the year mark. Its definitely not to say you won't get results.... with the FE massage alone, that usually changes the skin in two weeks.
There are ways of making the FE workout shorter, but I think its kind of got a different goal than Ageless, but its certainly possible. Eventually after the years mark people usually don't have to work out daily, because their muscles have been so conditioned they no longer need it, nor do they want the extra build, so they cut down to maybe two times a week.
| sister sweets wrote: |
Ruk - I think it's the same reason most people don't start nor stick with FE - TIME! LouLou's Ageless is very efficient and effective - 5 minutes a day and great results compared to FE which is a half hour or so and longer to see results.
The FE board tell you to give it a year (although I could see some changes at 4 months for sure). And some have had terrific results. YOu just have to be sure to have that half hour to spare almost everyday 6/7!
Ageless targets some specific areas designed to lift the face where FE focuses all over the face with no one specific target area. Different ways of doing things, different philosophies. |
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Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:56 pm |
I have been readingbseveral posts of this thread and was quite impressed with FE. So, I bought it. Came in the mail today.
I looked through the book briefly, did a few moves. I turned the DVD on and followed the whole thing.
This is my questions: The DVD instruction only runs 21 minutes something and covered 14 moves, while the book has 40 moves.
What am I missing in the DVD, why doesn't the DVD cover all the moves?
Will I have the same result if following the DVD?
Thank you for your knowledge.
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Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:01 am |
| thats what I was wondering too. |
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Sun Feb 01, 2009 3:11 pm |
Jomin - The DVD is a good starting point. It will teach you/show you how to "hold" your skin and how some of the exercises should be done. You can apply this knowledge to the other exercises when you add the other 26 exercises.
The 14 exercises will get you some results but it doesn't really target any one area so the results may not show so much. So, No you will not get the same results with 14 exercises as you will with 40. You don't cover any one area to the extent needed to get the big results.
The DVD is better than nothing but if you only want to do a short routine I say go for Ageless.
FE requires a longer time and more than 14 exercises to get the results they show on the web-site.
I do about 20-25 FE exercises now. I used to do 40 for several months.
| Jomin wrote: |
I have been readingbseveral posts of this thread and was quite impressed with FE. So, I bought it. Came in the mail today.
I looked through the book briefly, did a few moves. I turned the DVD on and followed the whole thing.
This is my questions: The DVD instruction only runs 21 minutes something and covered 14 moves, while the book has 40 moves.
What am I missing in the DVD, why doesn't the DVD cover all the moves?
Will I have the same result if following the DVD?
Thank you for your knowledge.
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Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:53 pm |
WHAT??????????  "when u add 26 other exercises?????Yikes that is really time concuming. Cant we just all do LOU LOU exercises for 5 minutes and call it a day?  |
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Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:23 pm |
| I agree - Do Lou Lou's - five minutes a day and you're good to go. Try it; you'll like it... |
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Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:57 pm |
Sister Sweet,
Thank you for your explanation. You are right! When I followed the 14 exercises, I thought they did not target the "troublesome" areas like forehead wrinkles or the 'smile" lines.
I will check out Lou Lou's one, just a little concern about the instruction without pictures.
Appreciate your comments. |
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Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:10 pm |
| Jomin - Lou Lou has a video of her exercises that you can watch and follow. |
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Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:56 pm |
Hi there... for those wondering why there are only 14 exercises on the FE DVD... Because DVD's didn't exist when the video was made. A VHS (OMG... do you even remember those?) would not hold much more info. This will be remedied soon.
Sean is right. You can gain a lot from the 14 exercises. We find that people want more over time. Kind of like joining a Curves gym, getting results but realizing there are MANY ways to hit a muscles. I don't know of any type of workout that people engage in that are ultimately satisfied with just a few moves. But as a crazy busy mother of twins I can completely understand the need for squeezing in the bare minimum.
Having upwards of 40 exercises allows you to sculpt your own perfect face. We may all have the same general facial structure. But if it were identical, well then, we'd all look alike.
Most people work with the original 14, to learn grips, and vocabulary, as well as what their face feels like. Then they gradually add others. If they end up with the full 40, they will use the CD as is it stands and it takes 28 minutes to go through all 40. I highly recommend downloading the CD and uploading the exercises that you want to an IPOD or the like. A person can create many little workouts to meet their own needs.
I'm so pleased to see this interest regardless of the program you choose. |
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Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:22 pm |
I just bought the Ageless if you dare. It's powerful and simple, quick and easy to do. I think I can stick to this work out.
Thank you SO MUCH to those who posted about this program - Sister Sweet, Bethany... |
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Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:44 pm |
| ClaudiaFE wrote: |
| I'm so pleased to see this interest regardless of the program you choose. |
I totally agree...this level of interest will have positive ramifications for every program.
I would personally love to see all of the facial exercise companies band together and find a way to educate more people on this valuable topic. There is strength in numbers, and someone needs to set the dermatologists and plastic surgeons straight! |
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Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:40 am |
Depends what your goals are and where your starting from. It sounds like a lot, but when you work out that it takes approx 28 minutes for the 40 exercises, thats not long really.... but I agree, it seems like a long time when you start because like anything new, its unfamiliar, your unsure about what your doing, and your trying to work out the mechanics of your own face, but longer term, your going to build equal strength and your going to build it in almost every major muscle group.
Everyone starts off from different places (just think diet, skincare etc), but the overall goal for most people sometimes differs, some are concerned with the look of the face and its muscles, others are concerned with weakenesses or strengths, some are concerned with loss of facial volume etc.... so it differs from individual to individual really and determines on how committed a person is to their goals.
I think its a mistake to think that the dvd doesn't deliver results, it certainly does, and in fact generally I tell people to do the dvd first for a few times to get used to some of the exercises (and if done daily, your be amazed how quick they can become a part of you just like Ageless), and then move on to adding from the book to ensure you got all your bases covered, but thats not to say that you won't get results from the dvd.
Many people just do the dvd alone (and even neglect the massage despite our singing its praises). But like most people, when you start a good thing, you kind of get a hunger and want to do more and this is where the book fits perfectly!
Sean
| lucyluc wrote: |
| WHAT?????????? "when u add 26 other exercises?????Yikes that is really time concuming. Cant we just all do LOU LOU exercises for 5 minutes and call it a day? |
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Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:43 am |
I think that threads and discussions such as this are really doing a lot for facial exercise programs of all sorts, and there are so many out there which is also a good thing.
I think its only a matter of time before people really start getting scientists involved in facial exercises.... but I would really love to see some real long term studies done on them... as I bet that would really prove interesting results.
Sean
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| ClaudiaFE wrote: |
| I'm so pleased to see this interest regardless of the program you choose. |
I totally agree...this level of interest will have positive ramifications for every program.
I would personally love to see all of the facial exercise companies band together and find a way to educate more people on this valuable topic. There is strength in numbers, and someone needs to set the dermatologists and plastic surgeons straight! |
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Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:59 am |
| bethany wrote: |
| [...someone needs to set the dermatologists and plastic surgeons straight! |
Here Here! |
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Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:16 am |
| I've been posting about the benfits of Facial exercise on the RealSelf.com forum. Derms keep popping up to say how insane the women who do facial exercises are. I had a PM from one saying I was "uneducated about the structures of the face" and "should take the same number of years training as a health PROFESSIONAL, before encouraging others to ruin their skin." I felt like writing back and suggesting he do something that was truly anatomically impossible. Believe me, these people do not want to be educated. |
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Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:31 am |
| they dont want to believe it because it threatens their livelihood...afterall if you can raise your cheeks and stop drooping why would you hire them? |
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Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:33 am |
| Antonia wrote: |
| I've been posting about the benfits of Facial exercise on the RealSelf.com forum. Derms keep popping up to say how insane the women who do facial exercises are. I had a PM from one saying I was "uneducated about the structures of the face" and "should take the same number of years training as a health PROFESSIONAL, before encouraging others to ruin their skin." I felt like writing back and suggesting he do something that was truly anatomically impossible. Believe me, these people do not want to be educated. |
I totally understand...it will take away from their revenue! So their customers need to be educated, which will send a very clear message to the medical pros who are in denial! |
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