Do you do Facial Exercises?
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free skin care · Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:53 pm

Me, too, Bethany! Smile

Thank you very much.
SeanySeanUK, thank you for the explanation regarding my question. Smile

free skin care · Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:28 pm

Hi bethany - yes, please give us all the thread on moisturizers making your skin drier - this could really get discussions moving on this forum and save us all much money as well.
If I had to guess, 95% of all women use moisturizers so this study would be great to read! thx muchly - diphx

free skin care · Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:43 pm

DiPhx wrote:

Hi bethany - yes, please give us all the thread on moisturizers making your skin drier - this could really get discussions moving on this forum and save us all much money as well.
If I had to guess, 95% of all women use moisturizers so this study would be great to read! thx muchly - diphx

Here is the thread:
Study suggests: - Skin cream can make skin drier
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=31227&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0

Please note that this is only one single study. The results should be duplicated in several studies before we will know for certain that moisturizers can make skin drier, but the results from this study are interesting. Smile

free skin care · Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:46 pm

Thank you September girl - this is a very interesting study. Something to think about is all the new actives to stimulate collagen procduction such as matrixyl etc are generally put into creams. Don't know if the oils do this as well but us more mature women aer also looking to stimulate collagen as well as keeping our skin moisturized. thx for the link!
diphx

free skin care · Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:30 pm

Strictly anecdotal, but my mother never uses moisturizer on her face, just a light-textured sunscreen, and barely has a wrinkle! At 93!

I myself quit using moisturizer over my Retin-A at night. At first my skin felt tight, but now it seems that my skin has adjusted and feels less so. I rarely use a separate moisturizer in the morning - just vit C serum, HA serum from GOW and Avene Emulsion SPF50+. Seems like that's plenty of moisture!

I agree with the thinking that the skin gives up on producing its own lipids if it's constantly exposed to exogenous lipids. And thanks Claudia for the enema analogy!!! Embarassed

free skin care · Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:09 pm

fawnie wrote:

Strictly anecdotal, but my mother never uses moisturizer on her face, just a light-textured sunscreen, and barely has a wrinkle! At 93!

I myself quit using moisturizer over my Retin-A at night. At first my skin felt tight, but now it seems that my skin has adjusted and feels less so. I rarely use a separate moisturizer in the morning - just vit C serum, HA serum from GOW and Avene Emulsion SPF50+. Seems like that's plenty of moisture!

I agree with the thinking that the skin gives up on producing its own lipids if it's constantly exposed to exogenous lipids. And thanks Claudia for the enema analogy!!! Embarassed

Sure thing fawnie... anything to clear things out... I mean... UP!

free skin care · Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:08 am

Thanks for the link, SeptemberGirl!

free skin care · Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:13 am

I don't bother with facial exercises, I'm afraid of them making the expression lines become more pronounced.

free skin care · Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:38 am

I've watched myself doing the Ageless exercises in the mirror and the only expression lines that are created for me are nose wrinkles.

free skin care · Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:56 am

Thank you, Septembergirl for the link. So very interesting. Smile

free skin care · Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:27 pm

I don't generally use moisturizers on a regular basis, but I do use them episodically, when I travel on long plane rides or am in a desert area. It feels to me like my skin needs extra oil and moisture, but now I wonder...

free skin care · Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:04 pm

flitcraft wrote:

I don't generally use moisturizers on a regular basis, but I do use them episodically, when I travel on long plane rides or am in a desert area. It feels to me like my skin needs extra oil and moisture, but now I wonder...

According to Obagi at least, that type of use of moisturizers is just fine, flitcraft. It is the daily use of a moisturizer that is the no-no (at least for Obagi).

Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:13 pm

Just wanted to share with you girls...I've been doing facial exercises for a little over a month...RIGOROUSLY...Well, at first it was just Carole Maggio (excellent), but I also very recently added Ageless (too soon to REALLY tell but I think I'm seeing it in my cheeks)...Well, I'm 41, and I've always looked a bit young for my age (less so lately, hence... Sad

). Anyway, I went to the grocery store today and bought some wine. The cashier carded me which I thought was no big deal cuz I figured they did that to virtually everyone. When she saw my ID, she said "Wow, you look great" I said "Thanks" and she said, "Yeah, we only card for 30 and down"... Embarassed

I said, "Oh, I just figured you carded everybody", and she said, "Oh no. Only 30 and down..." It made my day! (And even though there's no way in hell I look that young for reals, the mere thought that she could even entertain that I might be 30 lifted my spirits)... Laughing

free skin care · Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:13 pm

tigerlilly... that is awesome.. I love hearing those kinds of stories!

free skin care · Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:05 pm

Tigerlilly - this is fantastic! Keep it up! Very Happy

free skin care · Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:10 am

tigerlilly - that is wonderful. Its inspiring for others to hear of such successes with facial exercise, but I think whats also great is that its important to celebrate when you get that kind of feedback - as you know all the hard work you have put in has been worth it, and will continue to be worth it in the future! Laughing

free skin care · Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:48 pm

Good going, Tigerlilly! That's terrific.

Wed Mar 11, 2009 5:58 pm

Thanks everybody for your positive feedback! I was REALLY skeptical about facial exercise for the longest time, and was scared off by dermatologists and plastic surgeons saying it wouldn't work, but would only make you look older. It was you guys who convinced me to try it.
The ONLY regret I have is that I didn't take before and after pictures! I really, really wish I had because I can see some differences, but I'm probably not seeing all of them.
You know, it's funny because I always looked young for my age, and I took that for granted. So when I started see signs of age, it was kind of hard to accept. I mean, I flat out can't afford plastic surgery, even with financing. I can't even afford Botox or fillers...It's just not feasible.
When I started to see changes in my face after
doing facial exercises, I was quite content that they were indeed helping to take the "sting" out of ageing, but now that I'm about 2 mos. in, I see it's not just taking the sting out of ageing, it's reversing some of the signs outright and softening others.
I NEVER would have believed facial execise was anything other than some marketing scam before I read all the praise here. Even then, I thought, "Psssht...we'll see" Rolling Eyes

I am not just happy, I'm thrilled with what I see so far. If what I see now 2 mos in is all I can achieve, that's more than cool!
Anyway, this is a great forum, you ladies are great, and an extra thanks to LouLou, Sean and Claudia for your input here.

free skin care · Wed Mar 11, 2009 6:00 pm

bciw wrote:

I don't bother with facial exercises, I'm afraid of them making the expression lines become more pronounced.

most of us get to the point where we'll take the chance (LOL!) Keep it in the back of your head for when you get older (or just looking older)

free skin care · Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:39 pm

moongoddess wrote:

bciw wrote:

I don't bother with facial exercises, I'm afraid of them making the expression lines become more pronounced.

most of us get to the point where we'll take the chance (LOL!) Keep it in the back of your head for when you get older (or just looking older)

bciw: I might've said that once myself.... but now I'm with moongoddess. Based on the mounds of evidence and great pictures and reports of results facial exercise is the best anti-aging tool there is short of spending thousands in a PS's office.

free skin care · Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:26 pm

bciw wrote:
I don't bother with facial exercises, I'm afraid of them making the expression lines become more pronounced.

My main concern is preventing facial sagging..and reversing whatever sagging may already be present.

So even if I did get deeper expression lines as a result of doing Ageless..as long as my face is significantly more toned and 'tighter'..that seems more than a fair exchange to me!

free skin care · Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:30 am

Tigerlilly - regret is a worthless use of our energy, as you can't do anything with it, but don't let the fact that you didn't take photos at the beginning of your training prevent you from taking a photo now, and again in 3 months and 6 months and so on, as changes will continue to happen.

Facial exercises are progressive, in that your constantly building on what you have done the previous day, weeks, months. Even for me, at this point in time, I still sometimes get daily changes, where I get additional build in places, or find a muscle is more activated than previously etc.

The only limits really are the ones we give ourselves.... but the tissue has to be up to that level where it can or is able to develop to the standard (and this is why I believe diet is fundamental in any exercise program - and its often neglected).

As your building muscle you need to be eating healthy for your body type (and whats healthy for my body, may not work for you and vice versa). But its such an exciting journey to go on for sure!

Tigerlilly wrote:

The ONLY regret I have is that I didn't take before and after pictures! I really, really wish I had because I can see some differences, but I'm probably not seeing all of them.

free skin care · Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:28 am

SeanySeanUK wrote:

don't let the fact that you didn't take photos at the beginning of your training prevent you from taking a photo now, and again in 3 months and 6 months and so on, as changes will continue to happen.

That's an excellent point. I was feeling the same as Tigerlilly about not having taken pictures before starting, but I am going to go ahead and take some now anyway.

free skin care · Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:33 am

Sure deelighted, do so. They are great tools for using to chart your progress. I always tell beginners to do so, but many do not listen or avoid it, and then say similar things and although in an ideal world they would have done - but ultimately it doesn't make a difference. Photos will still show changes happening and that will keep you motivated for sure! Laughing

Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:38 pm

SeanySeanUK wrote:

Tigerlilly - regret is a worthless use of our energy, as you can't do anything with it, but don't let the fact that you didn't take photos at the beginning of your training prevent you from taking a photo now, and again in 3 months and 6 months and so on, as changes will continue to happen.

Facial exercises are progressive, in that your constantly building on what you have done the previous day, weeks, months. Even for me, at this point in time, I still sometimes get daily changes, where I get additional build in places, or find a muscle is more activated than previously etc.

The only limits really are the ones we give ourselves.... but the tissue has to be up to that level where it can or is able to develop to the standard (and this is why I believe diet is fundamental in any exercise program - and its often neglected).

As your building muscle you need to be eating healthy for your body type (and whats healthy for my body, may not work for you and vice versa). But its such an exciting journey to go on for sure!

Tigerlilly wrote:

The ONLY regret I have is that I didn't take before and after pictures! I really, really wish I had because I can see some differences, but I'm probably not seeing all of them.

That's a great point, Sean! Unfortch, I do not have a digital camera, and like I said, I do have limited funds Rolling Eyes

, BUT I do see changes in the mirror, especially now. That's what really counts is that you are seeing positive results that not even your skeptical mind can deny! Cool

I think I was speaking of that skeptical mind when I mentioned how I wish I had taken before and after pictures. I mean, when you are doubtful, you look in the mirror at the changes and you think "but am I really seeing what I think I'm seeing?" It takes weeks, even months to erase that doubt without photographic evidence. I no longer need that. There is NO doubt in my mind now. I will NEVER give this up...It's even inspired me to start working out my body again...

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