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Thiamary
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Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:58 am  |
| I have been using Safetox on and off for the last few months. When I used on a daily basis last winter(two sessions at intensity 3), I noticed my droopy eye-lids gaining a lift. Then - for a number of reasons - I stopped and picked it up again a couple of weeks ago. I am a believer! It took a lot less time to go back to the "lift" I had achieved before I stopped. I have kept botox at bay for a whole year now. Before safetox I felt the need for the btx injextion every three to four months, which at 400 Euro per session is not pleasant. I highly recommend it! |
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Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:43 pm |
yeah
soorrry guys, it is only for those who live in France
i dont know if the price is good though :
179 euros
- 1 Safetox
- 8 Safetox Prepare
- 8 safetox Patch
256 euros
- 1 safetox
- 28 lingettes spécifiques et 28 Patchs spécifiques. |
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Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:14 pm |
I have made my original pads last for a year by applying a small amount of conductive gel, of which I bought from ebay, when the pad lost its stickyness. Be careful not to put get across the two vertical lines on the pads which are the conductive part of the pad, put the gel on the extreme right and left hand side of the pad.
PQ. |
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Mon May 11, 2009 7:41 pm |
This might show you how Safetox can open the eye area and lift it also work on the forehead wrinkles(last picture). I added the other pictures so you would be aware of the transformation with different devices and exercises.
 sorry for small size..all I had(this is before any facial exercises)I was outside and frowning with the sunlight6/07
After two years of facial exercises 11/08
after STOP- a series of stop treatments 2/09
after SAFETOX treatment for 4 weeks
Okay what I thought would be interesting to observe is the lift in the eyes and the diminish of the deep forehead lines. The picture that is after 2 years of facial exercises...my forehead wrinkles have been there since I was 10yrs old...very set from being a worrier and frowner. The facial exercises have been extremely effective for all of my face but my forehead needed more.The Stop tripollar treatments really got the the work started with the lines being diminished. The Safetox is working on paralyzing the muscles and still lifting the eye area. I now do no forehead exercises and very limited eye exercises. sorry if pictures and lighting aren't exact...I tried to my best ability and limited camera expertise. I do have more mascara on in this last picture which is somewhat altering but I think you can see the difference with the lift the Safetox is giving.
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Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:09 pm |
This is a very good link...it shows 11 different wrinkles. Click on each one and it will tell you if Safetox can address them, and how long it will take.
http://www.safetoxbeauty.com/en/wrinkles-type/index.html
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Wrinkles around the eyes
Some people are more likely than others to screw up their eyes, and therefore to develop a concentration of wrinkles around the eyes. This is the classic “small eyes” problem which can prevent models presenting a beautiful face on photos.
Do what they do: after just one Safetox session, or two consecutively, your whole face begins to bloom and the contractures in the orbital muscles and those in the central and upper parts of your face disappear. Your face opens up and your eyes appear larger.
However, in order to reduce the wrinkles around the eyes, Safetox studies have shown that prolonged, regular use is required: 4 to 6 months of daily sessions. |
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Small wrinkles around the mouth
Safetox is not able to reduce small wrinkles around the mouth and is not appropriate for treating this problem. The only option in this case is to resort to other techniques such as injections of hyaluronic acid. |
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Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:40 am |
majorb,
They do have a unit designed just for migraines that functions differently. You may want to email the company and ask if the Safetox would help with migraines as well. My headaches aren't migraine...but not far from it. |
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Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:50 am |
| Toby wrote: |
majorb,
They do have a unit designed just for migraines that functions differently. You may want to email the company and ask if the Safetox would help with migraines as well. My headaches aren't migraine...but not far from it. |
I had a look at the device for migraines, it looks very similar to the Safetox except it operates by TENS. However, what gets my hopes up for the Safetox is that I know from personal experience that Botox definitely helps. Without fail, about 4 months after the initial Botox shots, my headaches start to return.
I've gone ahead and bought this - I would have liked to have waited to hear what Bethany thought about it, but couldn't wait that long. Beam me up Scottie is all I can say!  |
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Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:08 am |
Well Nicole Kidman's DNA did nothing for me either - that's why I'd rather stick with the gadgets, at least you can use them over and over.
Regarding the migraine version of the Safetox, I think it's called Cefaly, it's more expensive than the Safetox so I ruled it out because of that factor. The Safetox is supposed to work in a totally different way than all the other microcurrent devices - by electro-inhibition, it sends an impulse that inhibits the muscle. I think the TENS units send a signal to the nerve cells which influence the nerve, as you say.
It seems strange to me that these two devices look so similar - I wonder whether they really are so different. |
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Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:40 am |
| Keliu wrote: |
Well Nicole Kidman's DNA did nothing for me either - that's why I'd rather stick with the gadgets, at least you can use them over and over.
Regarding the migraine version of the Safetox, I think it's called Cefaly, it's more expensive than the Safetox so I ruled it out because of that factor. The Safetox is supposed to work in a totally different way than all the other microcurrent devices - by electro-inhibition, it sends an impulse that inhibits the muscle. I think the TENS units send a signal to the nerve cells which influence the nerve, as you say.
It seems strange to me that these two devices look so similar - I wonder whether they really are so different. |
I contacted the company about the Cefaly for my daughter-in-law and was told that you needed to wear it for 20 minutes daily and the stimulation was more gradual and lasted longer. Also it involves more muscles in the back of the head. |
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Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:34 am |
I ordered my Safetox on 5th June from Win Health in the UK and it arrived today, all the way to Oz!!!! I really think Win Health's service is great.
So I tried it out this evening - I can't believe how strong it is. Being totally gung-ho, I set it immediately on the highest setting - and nearly passed out - it HURTS!! It's like having a Black & Decker drill attached to your forehead! Then I decided to read the instructions  I tried it again on the second setting and it was slightly more bearable, I say SLIGHTLY. I can see that I will have to do the right thing and work up to the highest setting.
Majorb, the instruction booklet says that the Safetox "re-trains" the muscles in the back of the head, thereby opening up the face. Maybe the effect on these muscles might help with your headaches.
Incidentally, my husband hasn't stopped laughing  |
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Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:25 pm |
I've only used the Safetox four times and only twice on Level 3. I can definitely see a difference. I have Botox injected into my 11s and the effects of this tend to spread upwards so I don't have wrinkling across the top of my forehead. However, I do have pronounced wrinkles above my eyebrows and down around my temples. Above and down the side of my right eye I have a deep furrow.
Since using the Safetox, I can see a visible lessening of the wrinkles and the furrow is now more of a wrinkle. This is the FIRST time I have ever seen an actual visible change to my face through the use of a gadget (and you know I have 'em all!) Plus, I've only used it FOUR times. I keep checking the mirror in different lighting situations to make sure I'm not imagining things. I think this is going to be a winner!  |
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Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:11 am |
Zenity,
You are way beyond me on the recognition of the muscles used. All I know is the type of stimulation that I experience with the device is partially paralyzing the forehead muscles. Now I am clueless to how this is achieved but when I take the device off the forehead lines are completely gone and for the most part stay that way.  You might want to email Mpstat, she is very knowledgeable about the facial muscles.
Toby |
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Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:24 am |
| Toby wrote: |
Zenity,
You are way beyond me on the recognition of the muscles used. All I know is the type of stimulation that I experience with the device is partially paralyzing the forehead muscles. |
Ditto, lol. But I feel the forehead muscles working, the top of the scalp, my eyelids, and also the area on the outside corners of my eyes. But I have no idea what all the specific muscle names are.
Plus, the Safetox does inhibit the nerves as well as exercising the muscles. After using it (especially after a few days), my forehead feels exactly like it does after Botox kicks in. |
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Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:02 pm |
Zenity, I make a rather half-hearted attempt at facial exercises and have absolutely no knowledge of the muscles used but I do use the Tua Viso which does contract the muscles very powerfully - therefore, you can really feel the muscles moving.
With the Safetox, however, I don't feel any muscles contracting - all I feel is a very strong "drilling" sensation in the middle of the forehead. It states in the instructions that after a while you should be able to gain control of certain muscles and be able to wiggle your ears - which by the sounds of it, you have already achieved.
Like everyone else - I love this device.
I don't see a problem with sharing it with someone else and I find that the patches retain their stickiness very well. |
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Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:42 pm |
| Zenity wrote: |
| ... I would like to know what muscles do you feel are engaged with it ... |
Safetox is recommended for a particular patch placement that primarily engages:
* Procerus
* Corrugator Supercilii
It also engages to a smaller degree:
* Frontalis
* Orbicularis Oculi (upper part)
You can think of it as a radial impact with a center in the Procerus area, e.g in between eye brows. You can get greater impact on Frontalis by placing patches in other areas of it since it is quite large flat muscle.
Edited: I do not feel Occipitalis being engaged with Safetox. But I have good control of occipitalis already, and there is no way for me to know if Safetox can contribute any more to it. |
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Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:05 pm |
| Zenity wrote: |
What leads me to Bethany
Thanks for your explanation. Now, I understand better... and still can't get how the hell this device can, somehow, paralize the nerves. 
They only use electric pulses, right?
BTW, they selll it at ebay italy for 159€ I think. Is it a good deal?
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One more question to you all, would it be okay to share it with someone else?
Can you reuse the patches? Or better to get a new set for just single use. |
Thanls for posting the patent info and powerpoint...I'll read that tonight!
Zenity - I looked at that ebay seller in Italy as well...it all depends on your exchange rate. They were also charging a fortune for shipping. FYI...they had 20% VAT factored in the price, so that may lower the for you.
The patches can be used about 5 times each...there are 4 patches per sealed packet (only 1 packet comes with the Safetox unit...buy more when you buy the unit!).
And there aren't hygiene issues with sharing this device at all...you'll just need more patches and more batteries! (I sure wish they made a plug-in model to keep the strength consistent) |
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Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:58 am |
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| (I sure wish they made a plug-in model to keep the strength consistent) |
Bethany,
I recall being in Malasya and seeing a type of battery that was directly pluged to the power and then placed inside a portable CD player as a regular battery but just leaving the top opened. I wish I could remember the name of that... I am sure there is something out there similar to use regular electricity to supply power to devices using land adaptor ike-regular batteries. |
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Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:42 am |
| I'm eager to hear about that too. I'm not eager to trot down to Radio Shack and ask about a battery eliminator for my Safetox, since everybody in town knows everybody else's business already (and my package said "beauty device" on the outside of it). I definitely will order batteries on line - no need to make anybody wonder why I look so "refreshed" AND use so many batteries. They'll think I have a new high-tech vibrator! |
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Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:54 am |
I asked Dr Rigaux to answer a question from Zenity. The question was: "The safetox works by using the electrostimulation to inhibit the muscles and nerves that cause the frown, right?
However, I have seen at the advertising that the scalp muscles (the ones you call the good ones: occipitalis) seem to be called to work, eventually, being activated.
As I have not seen any other electrode than the one placed in the middle of the headset I would like to know how this happens. If they are not stimulated how they will contract? because they are the antagonists of the forehead muscles?
I am a bit lost at this point."
He explained me how the muscles are working by pair with one agonist and one antagonist. Agonist works with the muscles, and the antagonist is the muscle working against it in a contraction. i.e. Bicep curl, the agonist is the Biceps brachii and the antagonist muscle is the triceps brachii.
In our situation, the safetox is working on the forehead muscle (frontalis) and inhibit it.
The frontalis and the occipitalis are like the biceps and the triceps, agonist and antagonist. By inhibiting the frontalis it re-establishes the dominant role of the upper muscles of the head, which open up the face, lift the skin and eradicate wrinkles.
I'm a native french speaker, it's not easy for me to explain that  But I hope you understand now.
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Hi Kevin, thrilled that you're here to answer questions. I'm wondering if you will be able to help me find out the differences between the migraine product and the wrinkles one. I don't have any frown lines yet because I'm only 35, but my husband who is older than me does and is concerned enough to treat them. I do however have horrific migraines, especially around my period time - or if I've overindulged in any of the many potential triggers. The bad ones are often focused right between and behind my eyes, and I think the migraine product could help with those, rather than the more dull ache I often have in the back of my head that I know it doesn't work for. I'm very interested in the one for headaches. Do you sell both? Do both work the same way, so that if I bought the migraine one, my husband might be able to do a shorter treatment on the same device for his wrinkles?
Very interested in the product, but can only afford one of them!!
Thanks in advance. |
To answer Trigger's question:
The Cefaly is a different product designed to work more on the trigeminal nerve. While the Safetox is designed to work on the muscles.
The device and the electrodes are different.
But, it's not possible to target the muscle only or the trigeminal nerve only. It means that by using the Cefaly you will work more on the nerve to threat your migraine but it will also work a little on your wrinkles. You could also use the Safetox to threat your migraines but the device is working only on a small part of the trigeminal nerve so it will not be as efficient as the Cefaly.
We are receiving testimonials every day of person who are using safetox for migraines and cefaly for wrinkles and they are satisfied.
So it depends on what is the biggest issue for you. If it is migraine, go for the Cefaly. If it is wrinkles, Safetox is the better choice. |
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Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:02 am |
| Thanks for asking that question, Trigger. And thanks to Kevin for answering it. Very useful for helping me to make my decision on which to buy. |
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Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:07 am |
I've noticed a difference in the way my eyes look lately. But today I was looking through some old pics - and when I saw this one, I thought there really has been a change. I believe my whole eye area looks more open. I'm definitely putting this down to the Safetox because it's a fairly recent change. Also, I don't use the Tua Viso around my forehead or eye area.
I've never posted B&As before, 'cause I've never experienced any visible difference from using my gadgets. But I think there has been a lifting of my eye sockets! |
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Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:17 pm |
| photoqueen wrote: |
Had it for about 9 months - it freezes my whole forehead and lifts my eyebrows up - love it, love it, love it.
I do the house work in it and frighten the neighbours when I take our the rubbish, does them good.
PQ |
PQ can certainly tell you the exact time use of the Safetox but I saw this post from March...so that puts the use of the device at about 11 months. |
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Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:37 am |
I finally went ahead and bought the cefaly (headache version of safetox)!!
The latest bout of migraines made me realize I'd take any risk to at least diminish them. There is so little I can find in the way of reviews, so I was umming and ahhing for ages about this. I'm sure when I get it I'll just wish I'd have jumped in sooner.
It's meant to work on the frown lines and forehead wrinks as well, so I'm hoping as a double whammy it has the preventative effect on me. Also, my husband will use it too, and he does have the 11's. So, if I can get him to do it enough, we'll be able to see for sure if it works like the safetox.
I bought from winhealth, as even with the $45
postage, it was far cheaper than anywhere else, as I didn't have to pay the VAT.
Will check in in a couple of weeks... |
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Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:09 am |
Yes, it's pretty good service! They managed to develop the electrodes very rapidly working with another company. Apparently they're the only ones without the acrylates. They stick just as well as the others.
BTW, for those using the regular electrodes, I bought a tube of Tacgel, which cost a maximum of ten dollars, and have kept the stickiness to the electrodes for months and months now. I bought a pck of three, and have only been using one (my husband uses it now)!! Its this really sticky gel stuff that completely restores the electrodes ability to stick. I can't use it on my new type, as I think it's probably got acrylates  , but I can't recommend the stuff more for everyone. Ten dollars to make an electrode last a life-time practically. Whenever the sticky wears off, I either dampen it, or maybe once every couple of weeks put a layer of the Tacgel on and voila! Total stickiness!
I've been using the cefaly as much as I should have been (which is a lot), and it's definitely having an impact on the frequency and severity of my migraines. They're greatly reduced, as is (thankfully) the amount of medication I take. |
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