Anyone Heard of Safetox?
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Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:52 pm

bethany wrote:

sherryf13500 wrote:

yes, I called the number on the website and spoke with him. Because I wanted to purchase the 28 for 35 Euros. He said it was more expensive to ship that way. So I ordered 3 for 19 each. 5 euros shipping.

You are a woman on an electrode MISSION! Very Happy

Yes she is Smile

The website is now configured for the US and canada ( safetox . com ). If you order 3 or less 12 electrodes pack the shipping fee will be 5€, less than 5 will be 8€

For the 28 electrodes pack we don't have any solution for the US right now.

For the EU, the website is not totaly configured atm, it should be by the end of the day. THe delivery fee should be something like 3-4€ for the 12 electrodes pack and 9€ for the 28 pack ( up to 2 28 packs by order ).

Accepted payment method on the website are: Visa / MasterCard / AmericanExpress

For other payment method you will have to contact us.

Kevin

free skin care · Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:14 am

Bethany and Kevin - ? Is Bethany going to be a distributor of the safetox in the US?

Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:57 am

IMCathy wrote:

Bethany and Kevin - ? Is Bethany going to be a distributor of the safetox in the US?

I can't answer that for you, the only thing I know is that, she will not be an official distributor.

But if she want to buy electrodes in big quantity, she will have a discount and it may be good for you all to look at the retail price and her discounted price and see which solution is cheaper than the other one.

That's all I can say Smile

free skin care · Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:16 am

Hi Kevin, thrilled that you're here to answer questions. I'm wondering if you will be able to help me find out the differences between the migraine product and the wrinkles one. I don't have any frown lines yet because I'm only 35, but my husband who is older than me does and is concerned enough to treat them. I do however have horrific migraines, especially around my period time - or if I've overindulged in any of the many potential triggers. The bad ones are often focused right between and behind my eyes, and I think the migraine product could help with those, rather than the more dull ache I often have in the back of my head that I know it doesn't work for. I'm very interested in the one for headaches. Do you sell both? Do both work the same way, so that if I bought the migraine one, my husband might be able to do a shorter treatment on the same device for his wrinkles?

Very interested in the product, but can only afford one of them!!

Thanks in advance.

Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:54 am

I asked Dr Rigaux to answer a question from Zenity. The question was: "The safetox works by using the electrostimulation to inhibit the muscles and nerves that cause the frown, right?
However, I have seen at the advertising that the scalp muscles (the ones you call the good ones: occipitalis) seem to be called to work, eventually, being activated.
As I have not seen any other electrode than the one placed in the middle of the headset I would like to know how this happens. If they are not stimulated how they will contract? because they are the antagonists of the forehead muscles?
I am a bit lost at this point."

He explained me how the muscles are working by pair with one agonist and one antagonist. Agonist works with the muscles, and the antagonist is the muscle working against it in a contraction. i.e. Bicep curl, the agonist is the Biceps brachii and the antagonist muscle is the triceps brachii.

In our situation, the safetox is working on the forehead muscle (frontalis) and inhibit it.
The frontalis and the occipitalis are like the biceps and the triceps, agonist and antagonist. By inhibiting the frontalis it re-establishes the dominant role of the upper muscles of the head, which open up the face, lift the skin and eradicate wrinkles.

I'm a native french speaker, it's not easy for me to explain that Smile

But I hope you understand now.

trigger wrote:

Hi Kevin, thrilled that you're here to answer questions. I'm wondering if you will be able to help me find out the differences between the migraine product and the wrinkles one. I don't have any frown lines yet because I'm only 35, but my husband who is older than me does and is concerned enough to treat them. I do however have horrific migraines, especially around my period time - or if I've overindulged in any of the many potential triggers. The bad ones are often focused right between and behind my eyes, and I think the migraine product could help with those, rather than the more dull ache I often have in the back of my head that I know it doesn't work for. I'm very interested in the one for headaches. Do you sell both? Do both work the same way, so that if I bought the migraine one, my husband might be able to do a shorter treatment on the same device for his wrinkles?

Very interested in the product, but can only afford one of them!!

Thanks in advance.

To answer Trigger's question:

The Cefaly is a different product designed to work more on the trigeminal nerve. While the Safetox is designed to work on the muscles.

The device and the electrodes are different.

But, it's not possible to target the muscle only or the trigeminal nerve only. It means that by using the Cefaly you will work more on the nerve to threat your migraine but it will also work a little on your wrinkles. You could also use the Safetox to threat your migraines but the device is working only on a small part of the trigeminal nerve so it will not be as efficient as the Cefaly.

We are receiving testimonials every day of person who are using safetox for migraines and cefaly for wrinkles and they are satisfied.

So it depends on what is the biggest issue for you. If it is migraine, go for the Cefaly. If it is wrinkles, Safetox is the better choice.

free skin care · Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:02 am

Thanks for asking that question, Trigger. And thanks to Kevin for answering it. Very useful for helping me to make my decision on which to buy.

Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:46 am

We just found a solution for the 28electrodes pack delivery. It is now 16€ for the US up to 2 28 electrodes pack. (It was 88€ before)

Should be updated on the website in one hour

free skin care · Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:57 am

Aaaaargh!!!!!! Why did I read this thread????!!!! Embarassed

Bethany... if you end up working out a deal for a discounted Safetox, please count me in! I knew I should have stayed away... but this sounds so cool!!! Laughing

free skin care · Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:39 pm

thanks very much for the reply Kevin. Both sound intiguing, and based on sound principles. Now to decide.... My husband is encouraging getting the Cefaly, however, if there's so much usage of batteries etc with the five minute safetox session, I'm thinking I'll be literally chewing through them with the 20 min Cefaly sesh.

If only they were rechargeable!! The technology is out there... come on Safetox/Cefaly!! Get us some rechargeable action, and these things will be flying off the shelves!

I don't think I can wait that long though, so I guess I'll be making up my mind to jump in with this. I'll be sure to update the thread with my experience's with the Cefaly, and if it does some business on the wrinkles...

Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:03 pm

Is there a reason you're not using rechargeable batteries like these?

http://www.stefanv.com/electronics/sanyo_eneloop.html

free skin care · Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:39 pm

Face4ward wrote:

Is there a reason you're not using rechargeable batteries like these?

http://www.stefanv.com/electronics/sanyo_eneloop.html

These look like they could be pretty good - they have a low discharge rate apparently. I have to say that, in the past, I've been totally underwhelmed by rechargeable batteries for my cameras. But these might be worth a try. Thanks!

free skin care · Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:59 pm

I mentioned the Eneloop batteries a few pages ago.. Confused

free skin care · Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:32 pm

I looked into the Cefaly a little further, and learned that it's mainly based on 'tens' - something I've been getting on my neck at physical therapy for the past year or so. Electrical stimulation that crowds out the pain signal going into the spinal cord (a very basic explanation, anyway). You can buy these portable tens devices for as little as US$50. I'm still trying to locate any studies using it on the trigeminal nerve. It would certainly be helpful in the occipitals, to help the headaches based in the back of the head, and if it did work also in the middle of the forehead, it sounds like I could just get a cheap ten's unit, which wouldn't look as wonderwoman sexy, but would do the same thing, and all the bits and pieces are less expensive...

Just thinking 'out loud' here.

free skin care · Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:22 pm

Trigger - Have you ever tried Botox for your headaches? If you did, you might get some indication on whether the Safetox would work for you - just a thought.

Your thinking on the tens unit sounds very logical - I'll be interested to see how you go with that.

free skin care · Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:53 pm

Good thought Keliu! I have been thinking about that! I'm about to have a radiofrequency ablation in my neck (where they sever the nerve), and that might go some way towards preventing some of the headaches, although most of it is hormonal now, since I've been doing PT and everything else under the sun for my neck....

I think your thinking is right on the money though.

free skin care · Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:21 pm

trigger wrote:

I'm about to have a radiofrequency ablation in my neck (where they sever the nerve), and that might go some way towards preventing some of the headaches, although most of it is hormonal now, since I've been doing PT and everything else under the sun for my neck....

What the heck is radiofrequency ablation - sounds drastic. Try the Botox first - my headaches are also hormonal. Every month, along with my period came the headache from hell, then I had a hysterectomy which the doctor thought might help, but it didn't. Since having Botox regularly, I still get them but not nearly as severe and less frequently. I'm hoping that the Safetox will also help - so far so good.

free skin care · Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:34 pm

Wow, that's great about Botox helping! I've heard it does, but not directly from someone who's tried it, and suffers what seems to be very similar headaches. Now to find someone who does them....

The radiofrequency ablation is a long needle the doctor inserts into the joints of the spine and when he gets to the nerve (guided by x-ray), the needle is heated up so that the nerve that is being impinged get's severed. It does grow back, but takes a 6 months to a year. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It's actually for pain I have in my neck due to arthritis and disc damage etc, which is quite separate from the kind of headaches we're discussing, but does cause tension headaches also.

Where do they inject the botox for you? Is it under the skull at the back (occipital) or round the front over the eyebrows?

I'd love to get off some of the drugs I've been taking to remain functioning! It's pretty clear to me that medical doctors here are pretty similar to the plastic surgeon or dermatologist that has one laser and claims it works for everything under the sun. The specialist doctors do a couple of things each, and claim what they do helps everyone, instead of referring to a colleague that might do something more specifically helpful. That might sound a bit pessimistic, but I've had some pretty wacky experiences since being in the US (not saying it doesn't go on elsewhere!! - it's just a different system here, very profit oriented).

free skin care · Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:53 pm

I also have neck pain - I have a spur and a collapsed disk and sometimes can't turn my head to the left at all. I've tried Bowen Therapy but find that infrared light plus heat works the best.

My headache (which comes on over night and I wake up with it) starts at the back of the head but goes into my eyes - one at a time. It might spend 3 days in the right eye then moves into the left eye. I've never had the proper Botox shots for headache (which I think are given in the back of the head). I've only had Botox in my 11's (somehow my wrinkles bother me more than the headaches Shock

) However, it does seem to help. Be warned though, that you might suffer a bit of a headache after the Botox shots, but that should go with a Panadol.

Botox has not been a complete cure for me - but my headaches no longer leave me incapacitated for weeks on end. And if the Safetox mimics the effects of the Botox I'm hoping for even more success.

BTW, the radio-frequency op sounds horrific - I don't think I'd like anyone messing about with the nerves in my spine - but then I don't know anything about it. Good luck!

free skin care · Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:34 am

I've been seriously considering the infared. I remember emailing the woman from prolight. In the end I couldn't find too much convincing information elsewhere on the pain relief, and got so confused with the choices, I didn't buy (also because I wanted the skincare benefits too, and that meant getting one with the yellow lights). It's great to hear it works on your neck pain, which again, is very similar to mine. If I don't take maximum doses of naproxen daily (1000mg's), I end up in crippling pain. Naproxen has a bad side effect profile, long term, so I'm searching for something natural to give relief. So you find the infra-red that effective on inflammation? This requires more consideration then.

My headaches are almost exactly the same as yours. Always start with the neck stiffening, and a pain in the back of the head, followed by a stabbing pain behind my eyes that lasts for days. I'm exceptionally prone to it before,during and after my period, but at other times also when one of the many triggers sets it off. Your results with the botox is very very exciting for me. I'd do anything to minimise my headaches, and the fact that it's non-drug and not invasive is particularly intriguing.

I'm toying with the idea of getting a cheap tens machine, but would of course rather the safetox or cefaly as A. it's more sexy looking B. it's been specifically developed for headache.

Perhaps the infrared for back of head, and cefaly for behind the eyes?? Surely it will add up to less over time than the constant medical expenses.

BTW, have you read the reviews on realself.com re. the safetox? Some glowing and some less than favourable reviews.

I appreciate your interest and info on this topic Keliu. Just talking it through with someone who understands is helping steer me in a better (and more costly Shock

in the short-term anyway Smile

) direction than I was headed.

Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:48 am

ljk wrote:

I mentioned the Eneloop batteries a few pages ago.. :? :D

Yes, I remember when you mentioned them. I've been waiting to hear if anyone has tried them in Safetox yet. Have you?

Myrna

free skin care · Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:20 am

Trigger, I used to get crippling migraines every single day. It got to the stage where I just couldn't function and was forced to spend most of my life in a darkened room. However, this was many years ago, when I lived in France.

The doctor there prescribed me with some pills that were like magic. It took a few days for them to start having an effect, but the migraines almost completely went away. The annoying thing is that I can't remember what they were called. I wonder if anyone in France would know?

Actually, my migraines turned out to be due to the contraceptive pill and I was taken off both that and the anti-migraine medication when I ended up with deep vein thrombosis. For a while, the migraines came back with a vengeance, but then settled back to only the occasional one around the time of my period when I was no longer on the contraceptive pill.

I do wish I could find out what those French anti-migraine tablets were. Also, whilst in hospital for the DVT in Germany, they gave me a Buscopan suppository (which, again, took the pain of the intense migraine and very severe period pain away), but they don't have them here in the UK, sadly. Maybe in the US?

free skin care · Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:44 pm

Ah Majorb, I was put on the pill to supposedly help with my headaches, and I too ended up with daily crippling migraines!! I've never taken so many drugs in my life than during that six months until I worked out that it was the pill and stopped! Hell isn't it? It's great that it doesn't happen so often for you now.

Buscopan seems to be an antispasmodic mainly used for nausea and diarrhea. Were you nauseous or vomiting when they gave it to you? Sometimes it's combined with codeine and another relaxant that helps with pain, which may have been why it was used for you.

Are you considering the Safetox?

free skin care · Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:02 pm

Safetox wrote:

I asked Dr Rigaux to answer a question from Zenity. The question was: "The safetox works by using the electrostimulation to inhibit the muscles and nerves that cause the frown, right?
However, I have seen at the advertising that the scalp muscles (the ones you call the good ones: occipitalis) seem to be called to work, eventually, being activated.
As I have not seen any other electrode than the one placed in the middle of the headset I would like to know how this happens. If they are not stimulated how they will contract? because they are the antagonists of the forehead muscles?
I am a bit lost at this point."

He explained me how the muscles are working by pair with one agonist and one antagonist. Agonist works with the muscles, and the antagonist is the muscle working against it in a contraction. i.e. Bicep curl, the agonist is the Biceps brachii and the antagonist muscle is the triceps brachii.

In our situation, the safetox is working on the forehead muscle (frontalis) and inhibit it.
The frontalis and the occipitalis are like the biceps and the triceps, agonist and antagonist. By inhibiting the frontalis it re-establishes the dominant role of the upper muscles of the head, which open up the face, lift the skin and eradicate wrinkles.

I'm a native french speaker, it's not easy for me to explain that Smile

But I hope you understand now.

Kevin, no worries, english is not my mother tongue, but hey! as long as we can understand each other.... Very Happy

Thanks for taking the time to reply my question. Basically is what I suspected, now I want to try it. I am wondering if this would actually be effective relaxing or paralyzing my forehead muscles, as they are quite strong. Not worried about the antagonists as they are on good shape and well toned. And yes! To work these muscles does tighten the face, and elevates the tails of the eyebrows. Is like a natural mini lifting.
So you ladies using the safetox, take adventage of it and start exercising the occip. and scalp to double the benefits of safetox (if possible Very Happy

) or let me be the lab rat and I will report back as soon as I have the unit here. I hope it makes it by tomorrow.

Kevin, do you actually know if there is any rechargeable battery that could be used along with the safetox giving equal or similar results to the disposable ones?
If not, keep an eye on this subject as I am sure if your company can come up with something that solves this little issue could be selling it as the patches for the safetox and buyers would be stealing it from your hands.

gosh! that was my business eye attacking again! lol!

free skin care · Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:54 pm

Trigger, I read the reviews at Realself.com - most were positive. However, it's always annoying that people don't state their age - I think age plays a huge part on how effective anything is going to be. In the Safetox info it does say that older women may also need to have Botox in addition to the Safetox to effectively deal with forehead wrinkles. But, hopefully, the Safetox will prolong the life of the Botox.

Have you tried medication containing Sumatriptan for your migraines? I take Immigran and it really works for me.

free skin care · Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:21 pm

I agree with you about it being critical to know age when accruing info about skincare, and think that negative reviews often come down to unrealistic expectations.

Yes, I've tried every type of medication in search of relief for my headaches. The triptans don't work for me, for whatever reason. I ended up in the hospital for a number of days as a result of taking a triptan during an intractable migraine attack. It caused such an increase in nausea and vomiting I had no choice but to get checked in to hospital. I don't know what happened during the next three days, as I was unconscious. I felt like a shell of myself when I came out though. It took a week to recover my energy.

I went on topamax to make the headaches less frequent, and have an arsenal of drugs to take. I manage to cope now, but am keen to use as many natural methods as possible. The Cefaly and infared is very tempting!

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