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Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:40 am |
thanks girls x |
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Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:31 am |
Hi guys,
Recently decided to give the homemade vit c another go. Want to keep to the basic formula with LAA, distilled water and glycerin but having issues with the ratio of water to glycerin.
My skin is prone to breakouts so the 1:1 ratio of water to glycerin is too much. But am afraid if I use too little glyerin, the serum will be unstable.
So would a ratio of 1/4 tsp of LAA, 1/2 tsp of glycerin and 1 tsp of water work ok? That would be approx 15% vit c solution.
TIA,
Dee |
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Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:53 am |
Hi Dee,
Your serum will just be more liquid so as long as you are aware when applying (which you are) you should be fine with the lowered glycerin. |
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Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:49 pm |
Dee28 wrote: |
Hi guys,
Recently decided to give the homemade vit c another go. Want to keep to the basic formula with LAA, distilled water and glycerin but having issues with the ratio of water to glycerin.
My skin is prone to breakouts so the 1:1 ratio of water to glycerin is too much. But am afraid if I use too little glyerin, the serum will be unstable.
So would a ratio of 1/4 tsp of LAA, 1/2 tsp of glycerin and 1 tsp of water work ok? That would be approx 15% vit c solution.
TIA,
Dee |
Actually Dee, that would still give you an ick factor.
Try this for a 15% 1/2 oz C Serum
- 1/2 tsp L-AA
- 1/2 tsp glycerin
- 2 1/2 tsp distilled water
I encourage you to only make 1/2 oz because you have nothing in there to help stabilize your serum, (other antioxidants!) Glycerin will not stabilize vitamin C... Keep in fridge, and use till it starts to turn yellow, (about 10ish days).
I would encourage you to apply a few drops of a vitamin E enriched oil to your skin, after applying your serum... Vitamin C is only as good as the (antioxidant) company it keeps.. The best 'company' is vitamin E and ferulic acid. |
_________________ ♥I'm flattered by all the lovely PM's, but I don't get here much these days. Please don't be afraid to post your quearies to other DIY members who will be glad to help you (or sell you their wares..lol) Still happy with LED, dermarolling and a DIY antioxidant regime. Peace & Hugs to all.♥ |
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Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:58 pm |
Reposting my question. Think it got overlooked
Im going to make a 1oz 15% vit c serum using this GOW gel base.
distilled water, optiphen, hydroxyprophyl starch phosphate.
How much should I add of the following?
l ascorbic acid
ferulic acid
Hyaluronic Acid
erm is there anything else I should be doing? Thanks! |
_________________ 23yr old Asian with combination skin prone to clogged pores. hyperpigmentation from pimples. uneven skintone, scars |
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Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:57 am |
Nimue wrote: |
If you're concerned with stability, you can use a derivative of vitamin C. They're proven to be much much more stable than l-ascorbic acid. Right npw I'm using tetrahexyldecyl ascorbate in an oil base. I also added a little vitamin E, so it's about 10% vitamin C and 2% vitamin E. It's not irritating like ascorbic acid can be and it's highly stable so I'm not worried about it going bad. In addition to all that, I also keep it in the fridge
PinkLyfe wrote: |
my understanding is vit c in a serum base can be very unstable and rendered useless if not prepared correctly, even by cosmetics companies. A jan marini rep told me that JM guarantee's that there vit C serum is stable for 2 years and not all companies give that guarantee. for the DIY'ers here. how do you know the vit C serum you are making is effective and stable? i'm not trying to put anyone on the defensive but i've been reading the DIY recipe's for vit C serum (i would love to save money and make my own) but how does one make sure that its stable and effective? |
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I just read in a book "Dr. Denese's Secrets for Ageless Skin" that vitamin C derivatives are not nearly as effective as l-ascorbic acid. All of the original studies performed on the benefits of vitamin c were tested using l-ascorbic acid, not any other forms of vitamin c.
I'm trying to wade through all of the posts here but there is so much info. Does anyone know how much less effective the vitamin c derivaties are than l ascorbic acid? Are we talking 15%? 50? 75%? |
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Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:26 am |
Also in the book, it said that magnesuim ascorbyl phosphate is as effective as l ascorbic acid but much more stable. Downside, more expensive. I have read alot of recipes using the L ascorbic acid but is anyone using the magnesuim ascorbyl phosphate? Or is it too expensive/hard to find? |
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Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:44 am |
its_kristy wrote: |
Also in the book, it said that magnesuim ascorbyl phosphate is as effective as l ascorbic acid but much more stable. Downside, more expensive. I have read alot of recipes using the L ascorbic acid but is anyone using the magnesuim ascorbyl phosphate? Or is it too expensive/hard to find? |
There are recipes in the index using MAP and other derivatives. There are conflicting opinions even amongst the "experts" out there about whether the derivatives are effective or not! I have never seen any mention how much less effective they are. I have recently read that the Gold standard LAA is only effective for 60% of people and they have no idea why???
I personally use a basic LAA serum and an anhydrous recipe using one of the newer and pricey derivatives THDA, just covering all bases! |
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Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:51 am |
magnesuim ascorbyl phosphate is available at skinactives, bulkactives, makingcosmetics and most of the suppliers listed near the bottom of the index.
Here is the recipe index link you will find many C recipes there and suppliers listed as well, Alley's A list has many suppliers listed in a sub-link.
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=11902
HTH |
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Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:34 am |
DarkMoon wrote: |
Hi Dee,
Your serum will just be more liquid so as long as you are aware when applying (which you are) you should be fine with the lowered glycerin. |
Thank you Dark Moon, I like 'liquidy' serums best |
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Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:40 am |
Kassy_A wrote: |
Actually Dee, that would still give you an ick factor.
Try this for a 15% 1/2 oz C Serum
- 1/2 tsp L-AA
- 1/2 tsp glycerin
- 2 1/2 tsp distilled water
I encourage you to only make 1/2 oz because you have nothing in there to help stabilize your serum, (other antioxidants!) Glycerin will not stabilize vitamin C... Keep in fridge, and use till it starts to turn yellow, (about 10ish days).
I would encourage you to apply a few drops of a vitamin E enriched oil to your skin, after applying your serum... Vitamin C is only as good as the (antioxidant) company it keeps.. The best 'company' is vitamin E and ferulic acid. |
Thanks so much Kassy! I was under the false impression that glycerin helps with stability.
I'm off to go experiment with your formula. |
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Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:42 am |
Dee28 wrote: |
DarkMoon wrote: |
Hi Dee,
Your serum will just be more liquid so as long as you are aware when applying (which you are) you should be fine with the lowered glycerin. |
Thank you Dark Moon, I like 'liquidy' serums best |
LOL I agree they sink in instead of sitting on the skin, I like my serum to just disappear. |
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Tue May 04, 2010 6:28 pm |
Thanks Darkmoon for that info. Another question, I don't like my serums to be too sticky or oily. I'm interested in making the CEF serum and was wondering if anyone had tried making it with powdered vitamin E instead of the capsulated oil? |
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Tue May 04, 2010 8:06 pm |
its kristy - You can use palm oil or rosehip oil - these are high in E and what Kassy tends to use. I have not heard of using a powdered E form. |
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Sat May 08, 2010 1:41 pm |
Hi, it's me again...sigh
Further to experimenting with the simple vit c forumla, am still finding the glycerin just too much for my skin, even in low concentrations.
So I have tried mixing some Aloe Vera gel with the LAA instead.
The Aloe Vera product contains:
Aloe Barbadensis, Aqua, Sodium Carbomer, Imidazolidinyl Urea, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Phenoxyethanol, Edta, Sodium Bisulphate, Propylene Glycol.
Once I mix the Aloe Vera gel with the LAA, the mixture becomes liquified, milky colored and slightly frothy. Just want to make sure this is not causing the vit c to destablize and that none of the above ingredients will cause a bad reaction when mixed with LAA.
I very much like the consistency of the serum, it sinks in immediately on application and does not leave my skin feeling like an oil slick.
Thanks for any input.
Dee |
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Sat May 08, 2010 10:51 pm |
Dee28 wrote: |
Hi, it's me again...sigh
Further to experimenting with the simple vit c forumla, am still finding the glycerin just too much for my skin, even in low concentrations.
So I have tried mixing some Aloe Vera gel with the LAA instead.
The Aloe Vera product contains:
Aloe Barbadensis, Aqua, Sodium Carbomer, Imidazolidinyl Urea, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Phenoxyethanol, Edta, Sodium Bisulphate, Propylene Glycol.
Once I mix the Aloe Vera gel with the LAA, the mixture becomes liquified, milky colored and slightly frothy. Just want to make sure this is not causing the vit c to destablize and that none of the above ingredients will cause a bad reaction when mixed with LAA.
I very much like the consistency of the serum, it sinks in immediately on application and does not leave my skin feeling like an oil slick.
Thanks for any input.
Dee |
(I have posted here a few times, I hope you don't mind but I was just browsing and thought I would reply, to the best of my knowledge, to your input request)
I have heard only positive things about the aloe and LAA. I believe it is fine as long as you are fine with it. Aloe isn't something typically, that would irritate the skin.
I didn't care for the glycerine in my c serum and don't use it. I do use the aloe vera gel, however, as the SKB left a film on my skin.
From my understanding, it is best to purchase the aloe vera gel without any extras in it. This one has the parabens and others I am not familiar with. These may irritate your skin more more than the Aloe itself.
Also, it might benefit you to get the PH strips so that you can test the ph balance to make sure it is under 3.5. |
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Sun May 09, 2010 8:03 am |
Thanks for your quick reply Shlovies
I actually have an aloe plant that I could extract the pure gel and mix with the LAA, but thought perhaps the parabens and proplyene glycol in the other product would help with stabalization of the vit c.
Guess I'm just super paranoid about the vit c oxidizing the minute it's applied to the skin and that lovely glow is really nothing more than inflammation and the oxidation process!
Dee |
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Sun May 09, 2010 9:20 am |
Dee28 wrote: |
Thanks for your quick reply Shlovies
I actually have an aloe plant that I could extract the pure gel and mix with the LAA,
Dee |
Oh, I understand what you are saying, that you were hoping those extra ingredients would help the c serum to last longer and not oxidize so quickly.
Combining Ferulic Acid and Vitamin E w/ the serum helps the serum to resist oxidation.
Oh, that's great you have an Aloe plant. I have to get one of those!
Happy Mothers Day.
Shlovies |
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Sun May 09, 2010 10:09 am |
Shlovies wrote: |
Oh, I understand what you are saying, that you were hoping those extra ingredients would help the c serum to last longer and not oxidize so quickly.
Combining Ferulic Acid and Vitamin E w/ the serum helps the serum to resist oxidation.
Oh, that's great you have an Aloe plant. I have to get one of those!
Happy Mothers Day.
Shlovies |
Well mostly just so the vit c doesn't oxidize the minute it's applied to my skin in the presence of air and light. The serum doesn't need to last more than a few days as I like to make up fresh batches on a regular basis.
Perhaps I will try the ferulic acid plus vit e and mix it in with the aloe vera.
Thanks again and yes, I highly recommend getting an aole plant. They are very easy to care for as well (if like me you are not very green fingered, it's ideal). |
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Fri May 21, 2010 9:59 am |
Getting my feet wet here.
First, what will the vitamin C serum do for my skin?
OK, this morning I mixed up the following:
4 teaspoons glycerin
4 teaspoons distilled water
1 teaspoon absorbic acid (it doesn't say "l" on the powder?)
10 drops vitamin e oil
I put it on after micro scrubbing my face. I like greasy, so its good for me.
I have it stored in an empty glass pump foundation bottle in my fridge.
How does my first attempt sound? Without buying litmus strips and such, can I just go by color to judge effectiveness? |
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Fri May 21, 2010 2:59 pm |
If you like it, hey, what is one to say BUT... the L-Ascorbic acid without the L might be an issue. I'm not the expert so I would also wait for chiming from those w/ more experience |
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Fri May 21, 2010 3:03 pm |
I've been reading that almost all ascorbic acid on the market is half L, and half D. The D doesn't help or hurt the skin care, so what I have should be fine. It tingled, so that sounds like its right since the only ingredients were ascorbic acid, glycerin, and water (I added the vitamin e after my first use). |
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Fri May 21, 2010 5:27 pm |
Oh cool... and yes, the tingling is a signal. Now that I recall, when I was initially making the C serum I "thought" I bought the L Ascorbic acid and after I received my "ultra fine" L Ascorbic acid I realized the bottle only said "ascorbic acid". It tingled and I was under the impression it was doing what it was supposed to.
Good for you. Happy you like your serum |
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Sat May 22, 2010 5:34 am |
sister sweets wrote: |
its kristy - You can use palm oil or rosehip oil - these are high in E and what Kassy tends to use. I have not heard of using a powdered E form. |
hi there!
could u tell me how to incorporate the rosehip oil into the recipe?
Thanks
Storke |
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Sat May 22, 2010 8:33 am |
It's just replacing the Vitamin E with Rosehip Oil in the same amount called for in the recipe Storke. Someone did post about using the powdered form of Vitamin E about 10-15 pages ago, I have not played with that particular form personally, I have pure Vitamin E oil that I use.
Stork wrote: |
sister sweets wrote: |
its kristy - You can use palm oil or rosehip oil - these are high in E and what Kassy tends to use. I have not heard of using a powdered E form. |
hi there!
could u tell me how to incorporate the rosehip oil into the recipe?
Thanks
Storke |
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