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Wed May 27, 2009 10:42 am  |
Thank you 
I guess the real question is, what concentration of the liquid acid is called for. If you know the concentration you can make it up with powder... |
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Wed May 27, 2009 12:22 pm |
generally HA is in concentrations bet'n 1 - 3%. I have no idea how you figure that out with regards to the powder. The liquid is measured in ml's; I couldn't be wrong but I don't think you can measure the powder in the same way. Kassy will probably know what to do.
ps I just noticed your post about the suppliers list, you will find a million things "you have to have" |
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Wed May 27, 2009 12:47 pm |
Oh, don't i know it - re "million things I must have". Good thing is that I can't buy everything lol, otherwise I would.
re - concentration, a 3% concentration would mean you have 3:100 = e.g. 3 ml or gr of HA to 100 ml water. |
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Wed May 27, 2009 1:01 pm |
| You got it - you are on your way to DIY heaven. |
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Wed May 27, 2009 1:09 pm |
Thank EDS Ladies,
I have been following the information as closely as I can trying to take it ALL in..
The info on HA was interesting.. what what is the bottom line?? Where did you find the best place to buy the bottles? and do you use 15ml or 1 oz? |
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Wed May 27, 2009 1:23 pm |
| Alley wrote: |
| You got it - you are on your way to DIY heaven. |
Alley, Thanks!!!
I should be more of an attender on DIY, shouldn't I?
I've been reading up on Loulou's facial exercises, and it just sounds fantastic, think I am going to get hooked on that too. Did you see her videos - I think they are great! |
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Wed May 27, 2009 3:01 pm |
Ohhhhhh not to get off topic here but LouLou's book is the best $10 you will ever spend on your face!!!!  |
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Wed May 27, 2009 6:23 pm |
| I believe you, and you know why? Cause there is also a set of exercises for your eyes that can do vision correction for you without the surgery. It takes 10-30 minutes a day - you build it up gradually, and you can regain your eyesight back. My DH has been doing this for months and he stopped wearing glasses. He is still not completely 20/20, but he is way better than me, and his prescription was stronger than mine. COmplete off topic - sorry |
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Wed May 27, 2009 7:41 pm |
| zverenok wrote: |
Oh, don't i know it - re "million things I must have". Good thing is that I can't buy everything lol, otherwise I would.
re - concentration, a 3% concentration would mean you have 3:100 = e.g. 3 ml or gr of HA to 100 ml water. |
Hey zverenok!
You should come here more often!! |
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Thu May 28, 2009 10:46 am |
| You got it sister! I am a loyal member :) |
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Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:02 am |
Just wondering, how do you store your serum?
I know that you have to use a dark container, but does it matter if your container is glass or plastic?? |
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Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:06 am |
Glass is always better, but guess you can use plastic too, if it's cosmetic grade.
dl-alpha tocopherol acetate is the USP cosmetic grade vitamin E. It's soluble in alcohols and oils.
Vitamin E acetate is a dry, powder form of vitamin E that has no antioxidant power until the acetate is removed in the intestine as it is absorbed. The acetate form of vitamin E is called an ester. The ester of vitamin E is more stable to light and oxygen than
tocopherol. The shelf-life of the ester tocopheryl is greater than that of the unesterified tocopherol. Vitamin E acetate is a pleasant-tasting form of powdered vitamin E that can be eaten right off the spoon. Tocopheryl acetate is naturally converted by the body to vitamin E. |
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Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:20 am |
Natural Vitamin E (d-alpha-tocopheryl acetate) the body’s principle fat-soluble antioxidant has only recently been used as a topical antioxidant. There are numerous derivatives of Vitamin E. Those with ‘dl’ in the name are synthetic versions and are much cheaper. Those with ‘d-alpha’ denote the natural form, which the body metabolizes better than the synthetic version. Of all of the various forms, PureDeming products use the most Potent form of Vitamin E: d-alpha-tocopheryl acetate (tocopherols), which is already in active form and more effective for topical use...
http://puredeming.com/ingredients/ |
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Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:06 am |
| zverenok wrote: |
Glass is always better, but guess you can use plastic too, if it's cosmetic grade.
dl-alpha tocopherol acetate is the USP cosmetic grade vitamin E. It's soluble in alcohols and oils.
Vitamin E acetate is a dry, powder form of vitamin E that has no antioxidant power until the acetate is removed in the intestine as it is absorbed. The acetate form of vitamin E is called an ester. The ester of vitamin E is more stable to light and oxygen than
tocopherol. The shelf-life of the ester tocopheryl is greater than that of the unesterified tocopherol. Vitamin E acetate is a pleasant-tasting form of powdered vitamin E that can be eaten right off the spoon. Tocopheryl acetate is naturally converted by the body to vitamin E. |
I just bought this from Lotioncrafters:
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Vitamin E Acetate
CAS No. 7695-91-2; 58-95-7
Alpha tocopheryl acetate or Vitamin E Acetate is the stable form of Vitamin E most often used in cosmetic formulations for its skin care benefits. Supported by numerous studies over the past few years, Vitamin E Acetate has been shown to increase the enzyme activity in the skin, prevent free radical induced skin damage, increase epithelisation of surface wounds and increase the moisturisation of the horny layer. Add to the oil phase of formulations.
Recommended Usage Rate: 0.5 - 5%
Appearance: Clear yellow viscous oil
INCI: Tocopheryl Acetate |
Seems like this is the oil version? I hope I got the right thing!
http://www.lotioncrafter.com/vitamin-e-acetate.html |
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Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:34 am |
| zverenok wrote: |
Oh, don't i know it - re "million things I must have". Good thing is that I can't buy everything lol, otherwise I would.
re - concentration, a 3% concentration would mean you have 3:100 = e.g. 3 ml or gr of HA to 100 ml water. |
I saw that Kassy got hers at TPF.
http://www.thepersonalformulator.com/wvss/product_info.php?products_id=1188
Hyaluronic Acid
INCI: Sodium Hyaluronate
Sodium Hyaluronate is the sodium salt of Hyaluronic Acid. It is a biopolymer produced by fermentation. It is supplied as a 1% water solution. Due to its natural skin-like properties, excellent water retentive capacity and high viscoelacticity, it is highly recommended for skin products, such as creams, lotions, sprays, lipsticks, etc. The recommended usage for skin care products is 0.25% to 2%
I bought my HA in powder form from lotioncrafters, its says on the site
1 gram of Hyaluronic Acid Powder will make 100 grams (3.53 ounces) of a 1% solution.
So I'm assuming for Kassy's recipe below
15% C, E + Ferulic Acid Serum, 1oz
1 tsp L-Ascorbic Acid
1/4 tsp Ferulic Acid
1/3 cc/ml (.3) of Vitamin E Oil
1/3 cc/ml (.3) of Hyaluronic Acid
1 tsp SKB
1 tsp vodka
3 1/2 tsp H2O
I'm assuming I can take 1g, mix it with 100g water and use 1/3cc of that solution.
Is that right? |
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Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:13 pm |
| summer2004 wrote: |
Natural Vitamin E (d-alpha-tocopheryl acetate) the body’s principle fat-soluble antioxidant has only recently been used as a topical antioxidant. There are numerous derivatives of Vitamin E. Those with ‘dl’ in the name are synthetic versions and are much cheaper. Those with ‘d-alpha’ denote the natural form, which the body metabolizes better than the synthetic version. Of all of the various forms, PureDeming products use the most Potent form of Vitamin E: d-alpha-tocopheryl acetate (tocopherols), which is already in active form and more effective for topical use...
http://puredeming.com/ingredients/ |
Really don't know how true this is, especially the pricing part:
NDA has dl-tocopherol more expensive than it's d-alpha version. |
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Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:00 pm |
| bombshellbella wrote: |
Just wondering, how do you store your serum?
I know that you have to use a dark container, but does it matter if your container is glass or plastic?? |
Bombshell I've been using glass jars with plastic screw lids, and after a few months the lids start breaking up. It occured to me recently that the acid may be eating the plastic away. The last batch I made I've used one with a glass lid. |
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Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:15 am |
re-posting for hoping4help
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Hi Everyone! I'm so excited and yet kind of sad - I got some of my order today but not everything  So I have been looking around and trying to figure out what I can do with the L-Ascorbic Acid and Proplyene Glycol that came today.
Can some tell me if these measurements and precentages are right? I just want a very basic simple c serum and these are the only ingredients I have
For a 12% C Serum use 1/4tsp L-Ascorbic Acid, 1/4tsp Proplyene Glycol, and 1 1/2tsp distilled water.
If I want to increase it to a 15% solution would 1/3tsp each of LAA and Glycol and 1 1/2tsp water do it?
And for a 19% solution would that be 1/2tsp each of LAA and Glycol with 1 1/2tsp water?
Thanks for the help everyone! |
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Akadia71
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Sun Jun 07, 2009 8:52 pm |
Hi all,
First, thanks for the great thread. I've learned a lot from everybody.
I'm planning on making a Vit C serum, but I thought it would be good to use the Marine Nutrient Serum (MNS) from Skinactives as my base. Technically it should dissolve water soluble stuff. After reading the thread, I'm wondering if this was a mistake--will I be able to dissolve the LAA in the MNS?
I guess it's like asking, can you dissolve LAA in a solution that already hadthe SKB added to the distilled water first?
I got the LAA from Lotioncrafters, so it should be good...
It's all in the mail, so I can't actually do it yet.
Thanks, and nice to meet you all!  |
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Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:38 am |
| Akadia71 wrote: |
Hi all,
First, thanks for the great thread. I've learned a lot from everybody.
I'm planning on making a Vit C serum, but I thought it would be good to use the Marine Nutrient Serum (MNS) from Skinactives as my base. Technically it should dissolve water soluble stuff. After reading the thread, I'm wondering if this was a mistake--will I be able to dissolve the LAA in the MNS?
I guess it's like asking, can you dissolve LAA in a solution that already hadthe SKB added to the distilled water first?
I got the LAA from Lotioncrafters, so it should be good...
It's all in the mail, so I can't actually do it yet.
Thanks, and nice to meet you all! |
Akadia welcome EDS and your new obsessive hobby of DIY. 
I think the LAA will dissolve in the MNS but I am not sure if it will work the same as our much less complicated c-serums. You would definitely have to check the PH once the LAA was added. I hope Kassy comes along and also answers your question.
Don't get me wrong the MNS looks great and Skinactives stuff is wonderful. You might want to consider putting that serum on after your c-serum has absorbed. |
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Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:36 am |
Hmm, that does sound like a good idea--the layering thing. Of course I'm probably going overboard trying to make the perfect serum...I think i'll do a test to see if the LAA dissolved in the MSN--if it's no go then I'll layer instead. I have the ferulic acid and THDA coming in the mail too.
I never thought I'd be so happy that my old chemistry classes are coming in handy!
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PanteraNera
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Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:20 am |
I have one question: do you apply the serum also to the area around the eyes and under the eyes, or not?  |
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Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:01 am |
| PanteraNera wrote: |
| I have one question: do you apply the serum also to the area around the eyes and under the eyes, or not? |
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PanteraNera welcome also. I personally do put the serum under my eyes, all around except for the eye lids.
HTH |
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Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:32 pm |
Thanks, Alley  I'm trying to understand if it would be too much, I'll be 27y/o in July, is this too early to start using the C-serum? 
I made a very basic version, just distilled water and vit. C. I'm not a fan of using too much cosmetics and I'm a bit afraid I might mess up my skin using something that's inappropriate for my age (and/or skin type), especially on the eye area.  |
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