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Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:58 pm      Reply with quote
Aprile, yes I've been aware of our toxic environment for a long time (I was one of those chronically allergic children in hospital all the time with asthma attacks/body covered in excema etc) hence I've always been very careful about anything in my environment. I haven't used SLS's for the longest time or any kinds of artificial fragrances. My husband has an aversion to unnatural smells and chemicals also, and we've had great success using some kind of natural nut things from India to wash our clothing (he does the washing!! ha). We feel actual revulsion when we're out for a walk and pass someone's laundry exhaust pumping out overwhelming smells. We can't believe people have become accustomed to the chemical smell and even like it! We also use natural cleaners in the home - actually you'd be surprised how little you need!

My problems have had me on a quest to do everything I can for some time. I'm so excited to hopefully find some real help though! I'm sure there is help out there. It's been disheartening trying to find it though, and sad to watch my mother suffering her whole life.

PS I'll check out the website and freak myself out some more!! hehe
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Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:25 pm      Reply with quote
Here is a very interesting and informative article on estrogen:

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/aug2008_Estriol-Its-Weakness-is-its-Strength_01.htm

Althugh they are talking about oral estriol here, the transdermal variety should achieve the same objective.

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Hi Antonia ~ It is absolutley shocking! BTW, I tried the Tri-Est formula first and that worked for a while, but then my Estrone levels went too high. My doctor they changed the formula from 60% Estriol/20% Estradiol/20% Estrone to a higher level of Estradiol and less Estriol and Estrone. That worked for a while, and then my Estrone levels came back too high again. The doctor felt my body converted the Estriol into the Estrone. So I then went on to Bi-Est which was only Estriol & Estradiol, and that worked for a while, until my Estrone came back too high again. So now LI am on Estradiol only in a cream form. Going to have bloodwork done again soon. Keeping my fingers crossed! But, I do not have ANY of the nasty symptoms I had prior to starting on bio-identicals. It is well worth it to me! I feel energetic, can remember people's names again, what I was going to do when I set out to go upstairs, I feel calm again, I can sleep, and have no aches & pains like I did previously. I just feel healthy! Best regards, Aprile
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Aprile, yes I've been aware of our toxic environment for a long time (I was one of those chronically allergic children in hospital all the time with asthma attacks/body covered in excema etc) hence I've always been very careful about anything in my environment. I haven't used SLS's for the longest time or any kinds of artificial fragrances. My husband has an aversion to unnatural smells and chemicals also, and we've had great success using some kind of natural nut things from India to wash our clothing (he does the washing!! ha). We feel actual revulsion when we're out for a walk and pass someone's laundry exhaust pumping out overwhelming smells. We can't believe people have become accustomed to the chemical smell and even like it! We also use natural cleaners in the home - actually you'd be surprised how little you need!

My problems have had me on a quest to do everything I can for some time. I'm so excited to hopefully find some real help though! I'm sure there is help out there. It's been disheartening trying to find it though, and sad to watch my mother suffering her whole life.

PS I'll check out the website and freak myself out some more!! hehe


Trigger,

It's so funny what you said the adversion both you & your husband have to that chemical smell! My son even notices when he passes someone who has that "chemical clean smell' remaining on their clothing. He's only 11 ~ but he is quite in tune to all of that since he's really only known natural stuff. Ever since I was diagnosed with asthma at age 42, I've been using only natural (truly natural) cleaning products, laundry detergent, skincare, body care and even natural candles. It is amazing what's available on the marketplace today. So, since you have already done your homework ~ you have half the battle won. Although, we cannot control what is outside our world, we certainly can control what we use in our own homes, can't we? I truly believe with the right doctor on your side, you will be able to attain hormonal harmony & balance. There are some really wonderful doctors who can prescribe bio-identical hormones, as well as the right nutritional supplements to help aid you in achieving balance. It may not be easy to find the right doctor, but you could also ask your friends or friends of your moms to see if they know of anyone good. Or ~ you could do the backward internet search like I did and ask for a referral. I am certain you will be feeling better in no time. And by the way, it's not too late for your mom either ~ if she is receptive to the idea. Knowledge is indeed power. Best, Aprile
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Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:46 pm      Reply with quote
Oh believe me, my mum is receptive to any help! Laughing Speaking of which, I think I'll call her right now and ask how she's going. I'll see what I can do in regards to finding a doc. Last time I found a female doctor she asked me to come back when I was premenstrual so she could see me for herself. She was shocked at the 8 pound fluid gain (I told her I swelled up!) and promptly gave me diuretics - the usual bandaid thinking.

It's encouraging to know there's docs out there though. I'll let everyone know how I go, and if anyone knows of docs in upstate NY or thereabouts, let me know.
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Reading this thread mildly terrifies me. Dumb question: do you go get supplements before you have any symptoms? Or has everyone's quest been driven by need?
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Hi Josee,

I first want to say that I respect your opinion as a physician, & I am certain your concerns are very honorable. However, I don't respect the FDA or our government agencies. First off, the FDA has a terrible reputation of releasing dangerous drugs onto the marketplace before they've been adequately tested only to have to yank them at a later date. Remember Phen Phen & Redux? They've also released drugs onto the marketplace knowing full well that some of them could possibly cause harm. Which does make me want to scratch my head. Who are they protecting? Makes me think ~ whose greasing their palm to release a drug quicker than they really should? The fact that they are are claiming that "Bio-identical" is a marketing term really with no scientific support behind it cracks me up ~ really! Someone needs to tell us what the FDA has done to determine whether or not they are safe. Have they ordered the pharmaceutical companies to perform ANY large scale studies on the bio-identicals? Short answer ~ No. Reason ~ there's no money in it for the pharmaceutical companies, so they'd never agree to do that. The FDA also doesn't seem to care that the pharmaceutical companies are trying to "market" or shove every drug under the sun down our throats via the media. I'd be hard pressed to remember the last time I watched a baseball or football game without seeing a V-----, Cialis, or Flomax commercial. In fact, the FDA doesn't seem to mind that the pharmaceutical companies make false claims all the time with respect to what these drugs can do for us. It's as though a lack of sleep is a call for Ambien. Erectile dysfunction is due to a lack of V----- or Cialis. Having a going problem? ~ take Flomax. I just want to puke watching those commercials. They're on so much ~ my 11-year old son has them memorized!! The compounding pharmacies are NOT to blame for any wrong-doing. What ~ they are calling bio-identical hormones by a name which describes what they are? By definition Bio-identical means the exact same chemical configuration of the hormone found in the human body. That is basically it in a nutshell. It doesn't matter if the compounded hormone was made from a lima bean, soy bean or wheat germ ~ that is the definition of bio-identical. Why does the FDA have a problem with that term? AND all of the sudden they are worried that the compounding pharmacies are trying to convince the public to take bio-identicals? PLEASE!!!

There is no conclusive evidence showing the safety of these compounds and in fact, there's nothing that points out to the fact that they would do anything different than conventional HRT. Well, given the fact that the studies that were performed by the WHI proved that conventional HRT was in fact dangerous, that would lead me to believe that it was the chemical MIS-configuration of those drugs that caused the problem. Take for instance the drug Premarin, created in a laboratory from the urine of pregnant mares. The problem with this equation is this ~ the human body does not contain the hormone, Equillon. Should there be no problem putting this hormone into the human body? You bet there is! Obviously, there was a huge problem with that drug. Also, thee was the drug Provera ~ a progestin, NOT natural progesterone, the drug of choice when combining with chemicalized estrogen or Premarin. It was also prescribed by many old fashioned GYN's to help bring on a late period. I like to call it the drug from hell, as it causes everything that natural progesterone takes away like bloating, irritability, sleeplessness, etc. While I agree with you about the disastrous results of the WHI trial, natural hormones or bio-identiccals shouldn't be lumped into the same category as those chemical based drugs.

I know you are saying that you would never ever take any product containing any form of estrogen. However, at age 35 I doubt you are at the point of having terrible symptoms. If you are, please forgive me. Assuming you're not at that point yet, you might rethink your stance if you've lost your memory, your hair, your sex drive, you're retaining tons of water, you're short-tempered, depressed, have anxiety, a hard time sleeping, you're exhausted, have achy bones ~ PLUS your face is beginning to drop from a lack of testosterone. Some women do have bad hormonal imbalance symptoms even at the young age of 35. I think that's due to many things ~ delaying childbirth, our toxic environment, and so on. Women can't help what their skin absorbs ~ xenoestrogens are everywhere & do they affect hormonal harmony. But, I myself have never seen a GYN hesitate to prescribe birth control pills, sleep aids or even anti-depression medication for post-partum depression when probably all that was needed was a shot of natural progesterone. Chemicalized hormones are drugs made in a lab which aren't at all what the body needs. So, I'm sorry if I've offended your senses about the FDA or government agencies that should be protecting us & looking out for our best interests. I just don't feel they do a very good job of that. In fact, I think the best every woman can do is be her own health advocate because we can't trust anyone to do that job for us. We only have one life to live. Why not live it as clear headed and symptom free as possible? I'll take my chances with natural hormones because I truly don't believe it's estrogen or progesterone that's causing all the cancer. It's our toxic world and perhaps if we are unlucky enough to inherit a bad gene.

Thanks for hearing me out.

Best, Aprile
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Antonia ~

Thanks for providing this great link on Estriol. There have been a few small studies done on this estrogen and YES it is the estrogen of choice for many. The interesting part from the LifeExtension Foundation link you provided is the fact the FDA was trying to prevent women from getting their naturally compounded Estriol. Can you imagine? But, they still allow all of the nasty HRT's from the halted study on the marketplace. This is a real problem to me ~ because it truly confirms that they absolutely do NOT have our best interests at heart. Hence, I don't trust or care what the heck they have to say. If you ask me, they have their hands in the pocket of the pharmaceutical companies.

I particularly enjoyed this section from the article: Recently, the FDA made claims that estriol—a hormone naturally produced by women’s bodies—is not safe, even though the FDA did admit at a press conference that no adverse effects from estriol have ever been reported. After reading about the benefits of estriol that research has uncovered, it is hard to understand why the FDA would want to take this more protective estrogen off the market and out of reach of the many thousands of women seeking relief from menopausal and postmenopausal symptoms.

This recent attack on estriol also includes all bioidentical hormones produced by compounding pharmacies. Why are these substances such a threat? This is not the first time the FDA has made attacks on unpatented natural substances. Bioidentical and therefore unpatentable hormones are a threat to the income of big drug companies. The fees paid by these big drug companies are a large portion of FDA income. Would you not say that there is a conflict of interest here? Why would any woman want to take horse estrogen or chemically imprecise, yet patentable estrogen rather than estrogen that is identical to that produced by women’s own bodies? This is even more questionable in the light of all the negative research showing increased health risks from these FDA-approved substances. And is it not the job of the FDA to make sure that women get safe and effective medicine? It seems the FDA has largely lost sight of its original goals. For more information on this and to take action, please visit the HOME (Hands Off My Estrogen!) Coalition website atwww.homecoalition.org.


Does anyone smell a rat? I have received links from a compounding pharmacy in Illinois to take action & write my local government representative. Women ~ don't let the government take away your Estriol or any other bio-identicals!!

Best wishes, Aprile
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aprile, it is a disgrace. The proof that the pharmaceutical companies are in control of the FDA is this insane move to limit the sales of health supplements. One of the reasons given was, "They haven't been proven to do any good." So, if they haven't been proven to do any good, WHY THE DINKLE DONKLES WOULD THEY CARE? What they mean is that they often DO help people, thereby limiting the need for potent and expensive prescription drugs. If any proponents of this move to limit health supplements dares chip in with, "But what about the case of the baby who was born without a liver, whose mother was taking a herb?" I will come back with the truly disturbing stats on the number of prescription drugs that have killed or ruined the lives of thousands. NSAIDS, for example.

I am not saying all prescription drugs are bad. Far from it. I take Amerge four times a month. The questionable drugs are those that interfere with a natural process in order to stop another. Statins, BP meds, NSAIDS, bisphosphonates and anything else that is required on an ongoing basis brings in billions for the pharmaceutical firms and huge profits even after the cost of clinical trials is factored in. Obviously, I exclude insulin and its analogues. Off my soapbox and back to work...

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I agree medicine isn't bad, it's just not "health care," it's medical care. That's where the distinction needs to be made and people need to be educated more that health is personal responsibility. It seems like there are 2 camps of people, one that is just free falling into aging without any effort to stay healthy and the other are people who are doing the work to stay fit and as healthy as they can. I love people like Montel Williams who is such a perfect example of being healthy within your disease.

I also hate TV commercials for pharmaceuticals, drug pushing!!!!

It also make me crazy how anyone uses the excuse that supplements, herbs, and compounded medicine aren't regulated by the FDA so we can't be sure of their safety....the FDA scares the C**P out of me, they are FAR from making me feel safe. Drugs like Gardasil, come on!!!! I think we need an agency to protect us from the FDA!
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What about HGH? Anyone tried that?
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In the US we've had to fight hard to keep Big Pharma at bay from taking our right to herbs, vitamins, etc off the shelves. They want to regulate them in a big way;Make them Rx only -bottom line: big brother knows a good deal when they see it (a billion dollar industry and they want at it!).

The lobbying that goes on for this scares me. I fear it will happen in the name of "taking care of the poor unsuspecting consumer"....

Believe me they don't believe that supplements dont' do anything: au contraire - they know they are not getting any $$$ out of it. This is where the issue lies.
15 years ago there was a huge push to take our right to supplements away and there was a huge public outcry to congress members all over the US so they put a moratorium but the battle continues and the war is not over.

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I reallllllly wish that all TV commercials that affected health and welfare would be mandated to state at the end who was paying for them.

It's so maddening to know how people are being duped because of deep pockets of people who want to stay rich at the expense of other's health.

And like I said it takes overwhelming evidence to make changes in medicine, a world that is controlled by the very deepest of pockets.

Take mercury, they say there are no valid studies to support it harms people when used in dental fillings, but OSHA requires that it's treated as hazardous waste by dentists when it's removed from your mouth!!!

Actually we control the revolution with our wallets. Whatever you spend money on you're giving a "yes" vote to. The more people know about how harmful some drugs and the chemicals in food, home, and personal care products and vote no with their wallets the closer we'll be to winning.

Re: HGH, I know someone who uses it along with a pristine lifestyle. She says she has no body fat. It's expensive and carries risks including that it hasn't been used long enough by enough people to really understand. One thing that I've heard people say about it is that it makes your life so much better that they feel it's worth the years it may knock off the end of it. Anyone who wants to use it should be monitored and get it from a credible source.
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Trigger ~

I've tried an HGH secretagogue, which was supposed to increase pituitary release of HGH. I didn't really notice any benefits by taking the one I found on the internet. Never tried the homeopathic kind, but I would be interested in learning about it. If anyone could chime in here ~ please do! In the one book I recommended to you by Dr. Uzzi Reiss, he recommends taking certain amino acids to achieve the same effects of HGH. The ones he recommends are: Arginine 8 grams, Ornithine 2.5 grams, Glutamine 2, grams, Lysine 1.2 grams or Glycine, 10 grams. According to Dr. Reiss, "There is no need to take all of them. One will generally suffice. Take it before sleep and preferably a few hours after eating." HTH! Aprile
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Thanks for that info, aprile! I will do this for sure.

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Just wanted to say one thing. For me, I'd rather have a shorter, happier life than a long, miserable one. For instance, I take NSAIDs every day - I have to take another medication to stop them attacking the lining of my stomach, and the form I use is slow-release because, otherwise, it adversely affects my asthma.

The thing is, though, that without NSAIDs, I would be in so much pain and experience so much stiffness, that my life really wouldn't be worth living. I've been there and it wasn't pretty.

As far as certain treatments go (HRT, BHRT etc), I think people should be told of the risks and then, as long as they are FULLY prepared to accept the consequences, they should be allowed to use them - preferably on a supervised basis, of course.

As for the big pharmaceutical companies and their influence over those who are supposed to make independent decisions on what is good for us, it's beyond a joke. And it's not just in the US. Anywhere they can smell money, these organisations will do whatever they can to ensure they maximise their profits.
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oh great! I currently take L glutathione, L Lysine, L carnosine and one other, so I should be covered!!

Majorb, I couldn't agree more. Last year I was forced to get an MMR vaccination as part of getting my greencard, and within a month was suffering shocking all over body arthritis (which happens in a horrifying one third of adult women given the vaccine). Why they don't even tell you the risk, I'll never know. Once I had it the doctors just acted as if it was a run of the mill consequence. It was completely unnecessary too, because in Oz we get rubella as young girls, and I'd already had measles and mumps.

Ever since then I've had to take 1000 mgs of naproxen (NSAID)a day, or I am in phenomenal agony with every joint swollen. Ha, maybe that's why they give the vaccine! I'm a pharma consumer for life now. But, life without it is unbearable, and I've tried every natural anti-inflammatory I could find (and spend a lot of money on supps - most of which I couldn't take as they gave me astonishing migraines).

Thanks US medical system!! I won't even bore you with the story of how I was almost died (yes, really) having an unnecessary colonoscopy last year. The records show the anesthetist was in the hall on his cell phone whilst I was aspirating. When I came to I was unable to breathe and choking, as my lungs had filled with vomit so was rushed to ER in toxic shock. Survived, but had aspiration pneumonia for weeks after. Whoops, I did tell you!

I've since realized that in the US the uninsured have to pay a fortune for the simplest things, which they invariably can't afford, and the insured are so over treated it's ridiculous. The amount of procedures etc doctors have tried to talk me into leaves me speechless. Now I know they just want to make money, and I don't follow recommendations (unless I'm absolutely certain it's necessary). I've had to become my own doctor, more or less.

The system in this country is extremely worrying, and it's about MONEY, not about caring for the health of it's citizens. Medicine should never have been turned into a capitalist venture. There are always the unscrupulous, and this attracts even more of them. I could go on and on and on. I'll try not to.
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Gosh trigger that's so terrible what happened to you. I understand because I was very injured by doctors/medicine and I would have died too had I not taken my health back.

I do believe that you can restore your immune function. It takes a long time to heal damaged cells and get your system in order after being injured by chemicals in drugs. Don't give up! I had moderate to severe pain for 10 years but was able to restore my health. There are so many things you can do to decrease inflammation in your body.

I agree our system is a machine that is very very broken. Medical care is a basic human right (just my opinion) and as long as it remains for profit people like you are going to suffer for it.

That TV commercial with the Canadian talking about how she would have died in Canada because of her brain tumor but she came to the States for world class care makes my head spin. How did she pay for it is what I want to know, she must be very rich? I would love to know who is paying for the TV spot. Yes we do have world class care but if you have any pre-existing conditions, your under-insured, or you simply can't afford the deductibles YOU DON'T GET THAT CARE.
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Yes, my poor husbands head spins at the $900 we pay a month for our health insurance (we're self employed). Coming from Australia where the standard of care is fantastic and available for everyone, it's hard to take.

We don't have tv as we find it thoroughly unwatchable with the ridiculous advertising being shoved in your face for what seems like more time than any program. We watch great movies every night from Netflix. No ads! Endless supply of great movies! We usually get through about half a movie and watch the next half the next night. That way I'm oblivious to all that rubbish. However we still get Time magazine and National Geo, and the ads for drugs in those shock me. You'd think it would be illegal!
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Trigger,

I am so sorry for what happened to you. There is no justification for that.

I would recommend to go towww.prlabs.com and call them and ask for a QRA practitioner in your area (ask for a good done too).

They have an interesting recovery protocol from vaccination, and other ailments (including not airborne allergies, etc.). They will figure out which supplements you really need (what may be good in general may not be good for you, or not good at a given moment - like I had a period when Green Tea was not recommended, etc.).

I am very very careful when I go to a physician here (I have a few sources of referrals and trust only them). And having a good insurance I end up paying quite a bit myself. However, having an aunt in Australia and friends all over Europe - it is still the best in the world if you get treated by the right person - with knowledge and heart.

However, big Pharma and all other lobbying (like insurance companies, hospital associations, etc.) - they are just like mafia.

Oh well, it does not add any health to any of us.

Best of luck.

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Yes, I agree Sigma, there are definitely some fantastic doctors (if you can find them) and I know that particularly in specialty area's they're still the best there is. Despite this there was a very interesting article in the Time magazine a few months ago about life expectancy etc, and US rated about 18th (if I remember correctly - it was scarily low!) even below some very poor nations. Obviously there's many contributing factors, but the set up of the medical industry (as well as diet - don't get me started on that!) was up there. I've met a couple of great doctors along the way. Some shockers, too. Travelling is great to give insight that things are different everywhere, some things better, some things worse. Despite many of the worrying things in the US, I still love living here, and love the people. I've learned how to take my own care seriously and not just rely on someone else to keep me informed.

There was something annoying about Australia's medicare system, too. Such as knowing you'll barely get your five minutes before being pushed out the door...

Rolling Eyes but you could always get in to see a doctor that day, without an appointment even (in the cities) Here we're practically recovered from whatever ails us before we get in to see our doc!!

I'll check out your link. Thanks!
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That TV commercial with the Canadian talking about how she would have died in Canada because of her brain tumor but she came to the States for world class care makes my head spin. How did she pay for it is what I want to know, she must be very rich? I would love to know who is paying for the TV spot. Yes we do have world class care but if you have any pre-existing conditions, your under-insured, or you simply can't afford the deductibles YOU DON'T GET THAT CARE.


I don't know if you are aware of this, but this unscrupulous woman (Shona Holmes) had a benign cyst and was waitlisted in Ontario while people with real brain tumours were seen to. She chose not to wait and went to Arizona for her treatment. She was paid heavily to exaggerate her condition and the way she was treated up here. I am sure what she has been paid for bending the truth more than made up for whatever she paid to have her benign cyst removed in the US. Our system isn't wonderful but the fact remains, if she had a cancerous tumour, she would have been operated on a lot faster than six months.

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That's appalling, trigger! One-third of adult women?! I'm surprised they haven't been sued.

Over here in the UK, it's hard to get any treatment at all. We have a body which goes under the hilariously misleading acronym of NICE (National Institute for Clinical Health & Excellence), who rule as to whether patients in England are allowed to have certain treatments. They've ruled out things like very important anti-cancer and Alzheimer's drugs (available to patients in many other countries), as well as limiting the number of specialised drugs someone with arthritis is allowed to try. As you can imagine, they are widely despised.

As for incompetents in the medical field, we have plenty over here, too.

Once, when I was crippled in agony, I was told by a locum GP that my rheumatologist was wrong and I couldn't possibly have ankylosing spondylitis as females simply never get it. (Complete nonsense - females DO get it, and that's exactly what was wrong with me.) I had contacted my rheumatologist's deputy before calling out the locum, and the deputy had told me that I MUST be given a very strong painkilling injections as it was vital that I be able to lie down flat. The locum gave me some pills and, when I asked, told me they were a very strong painkiller. Of course, they didn't work and I spent the night staggering around, sitting for a few minutes inbetween as I couldn't bear to sit for longer. I gave up the next morning and spent over an hour screaming as I tried to ease myself into bed. It took months and months of physiotherapy when the pain had subsided to allow me to stand up straight again. Turns out that the locum had given me Paracetamol. Mad
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Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:53 pm      Reply with quote
Paracetamol = acetaminophen/Tylenol over here....

What a disgrace. Poor you.

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Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:02 pm      Reply with quote
Idiots!! Crying or Very sad I feel for you! I had a similar experience. We live in NY but often go up to our place in Canada, and whilst there, I had a terrible attack of arthritis that made it impossible for me to barely take a step (sleeping, oh, how can a body hurt so much lying down! the hips! the neck! the shoulders! the ankles!) basically I was wracked with pain and needed some help. After hours in the Canadian hospital a doctor looked at my swollen body and promptly sent me of with a prescription for.......... Naproxen, which is over the counter Aleve in the US. That bottle of Aleve cost me close to $400 all in, not to mention took days to give me any relief.

Doctors that don't consider treating pain properly should be inflicted with something painful for a week or so!! Pain in itself is a condition that can set off a whole chain effect of stressful chemicals in the body. And, we have many effective natural drugs for it! Arghh...now you're getting me started.

Shame on that doctor Majorb. I hope you've got your condition under better control now. It's an ongoing process, but getting the pain within manageable levels is the first step.
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