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Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:47 pm  |
I have now tried 3 different brands. The first one I tried was Collagen Type II by Vitamin Research Labs; the second Joint Support (with unhydrolyzed chicken sternal collagen II) and Source Naturals Skin Eternal Hyaluronic Acid (which also contains Biocell II). The first one (Collagen Type II) worked beautifully, showing results within 3 days;  the second (Joint Support) didn't work very well  ; and the third one (Skin Eternal HA) worked well, but I still prefer Collagen Type II best because it's a smaller capsule where the Skin Eternal HA is a larger tablet.
In short, the two that worked well both contained the patented ingredient, Biocell II. I'm posting a report on the company that has the patent (hope the link works for you) http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/productnews/indexByCpyEntry.asp?id=56
Also this link shows the products that contain this patented ingredient: http://www.biocelltechnology.com/wheretobuy.htm
Since the two products that have worked best for me both contained the patented ingredient, Biocell II, I hope this is helpful.
One thing I did notice that was different about the collagen/HA in the different products, the Biocell II says it is hydrolyzed and the one that didn't work as well contained unhydrolized chicken sternal collagen. Perhaps it makes a difference.
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Mon Jan 24, 2005 1:00 am |
Judy,
you do work hard on behalf of us girls, all this research you do. Thanks, it saves me time. My HA is the 'source naturals' and I have noticed that my lips are not nearly as dry as they were. Infact I have not put any moisturising stuff on them for a couple of days. Thats great for me because I have just finished 2 night shifts and normally my lips get really dry. |
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Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:58 am |
| JudyMarshall wrote: |
| contained unhydrolized chicken sternal collagen. |
I'll stay thin lipped rather than eat chiken bones :-& |
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Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:03 pm |
Okay all you HA capsule takers LISTEN TO THIS!
I have been taking the capsules for awhile now. I think for a couple of months.
First of all I have noticed a little difference in my lips (but not that much). I do think this stuff 'wears off' very fast as after taking the capsules before bed I sometimes wake up and find my lips DO look bigger but then by lunch time they are back to normal.
But this is the miracle! I have always had VERY VERY dry scaley feet. (My mom and my sister both do too so it must run in my family.) I even posted here asking for help b/c even with using a pumice stone to take off dead/rough skin they were still always a mess. They really have been my worst feature and I have always kept them hidden away as much as possible.  Because it is winter (they are worse in winter) I have not bothered to do anything about them b/c it is easy to keep them hidden. BUT what has happened is that since taking HA capsules they are hardly dry at all!!! I never would have believed it! That is truly amazing! Of course I did not take before/after pictures as I had no idea this would be possible.
The other thing I have to report is very weird and some of you may think I am crazy.  When I was about 8 I broke my nose. Since then I have had a crease and a faint scar (and a slight indentation there)along the part of the nose where the main part of the bone ends and the fleshy tip begins. It is not obvious to others and unless I tell people that I broke my nose and point it out it would not be noticeable. Last night I woke up with the strangest sensation right on that scar. I was half asleep and it bugged me a bit but I didn't think anything of it. This morning I noticed the scar is WAY less visable and it is plumper and less indented where that scar is. I swear this is true.
Remember that poster who said her nose (I believe the tip of it) looked bigger? (Sorry I don't have time to look up your name...) I can't tell if my nose is 'bigger'. I certainly don't want it to be but there is something going on in that area.
So even though my lips are not really plumper I have some other things going on from taking the HA capsules. I guess we can't control where our body puts it and I guess my body thinks my feet needs it more than my lips!  |
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Mon Jan 24, 2005 6:35 pm |
Lillie....
You're right. The effect does subside rather quickly, but according to the research I read, that's normal. Also, the lips seem to show it's effect the quickest because they are composed so much of collagen themselves and respond very quickly to the HA and collagen supplements. I'm taking the Source Naturals with patented Biocell II now and I take one capsule at each meal, so it's spaced out through the day. Having tried products with the patented Biocell II and a product without, I'm a firm believer in that specific ingredient. It seems to work much better for me than other forms of the HA/Collagen.
The one that didn't work so well for me, "Joint Support" from a company called Roex, actually had more collagen than any of the others, but had much less HA, having only 10mg of HA compared to 100mg of HA in the one that works well. However, the Collagen Type II by Vitamin Research Labs has only 50mg of HA and it worked just as well. So, I conclude that you need at least 40mg of HA for this to work well (I think that was in one of the articles that we read too) and having even 1000 mg of collagen rather than 600mg doesn't necessarily work so well if it's not Biocell II. I'm sure that's perfectly clear, right?
The product that didn't work so well on the lips was focused on the chicken collagen because that's what works well for joints; so since this supplement is recommended to joint support and for skincare, it seems the ones with at least 40mg of HA work better for skincare.
JUDY |
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Mon Jan 24, 2005 6:35 pm |
OH MY GOD I LAUGHED OUT LOUD!
Lily, yours is THE funniest post I've ever read ANYWHERE!!
Keep us posted!!! |
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Mon Jan 24, 2005 6:42 pm |
| Pudoodles wrote: |
OH MY GOD I LAUGHED OUT LOUD!
Lily, yours is THE funniest post I've ever read ANYWHERE!!
Keep us posted!!! |
I have been accused of that before. And many regulars here in the forum can attest to it.
JUDY |
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Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:41 pm |
I'm glad I could make a few of you laugh!! And I will keep you posted. I wish I had a mold of my nose so I could make sure it was not getting bigger while taking these HA capsules!!
I have been going back and forth b/t two HA supplements. I live in Canada so the brand names will be different than in the US.
One brand is Organika and it contains 45mg of HA and 300mg of protein collagen complex. (Does not say source- is this the chicken bone thing you were talking about?)
The other brand is Albi. It is the Biocell II and has 50mg of HA per capsule. This one is quite a bit more expensive than the Organika and I guess it is b/c the Biocell II is supposed to be superior. |
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Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:53 pm |
I can assure you that if my nose starts getting bigger, I will be finding another way to plump my lips! I like the plump lips and the way it keeps my lips from getting dry, but if I have to make a choice between plump lips and my nose not getting any bigger, I will definitely choose the latter.
Scuse me girls while I go measure my nose.
JUDY |
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:22 am |
| I have a little snub nose (my mom and dad used to laugh about it and call it “God’s afterthought” – like He finished creating my face but realized he’d forgotten to give me a nose so He rolled up a little ball of clay and stuck it on), so maybe if my schnozz gets a little bigger it wouldn’t be such a bad thing. However, I can safely report that my nose is still as snub as it ever was! |
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:27 am |
Oh, BTW, regarding nose scars fading and scaly feet becoming plumper...someone (a naysayer regarding the likelihood that HA and collagen capsules could actually plump lips) said that when taking any kind of supplement, your body is likely to put it to use where its needed most. So if we subscribe to that theory, I guess for Lily, her body decided it was her feet and previously broken nose that needed healing more than she needed fuller lips and for Judy, her body decided her lips needed to be hydrated so that’s where it went to work....
Who knows?? All I can say for sure is my lips are still full! |
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:28 am |
I am hoping that HA has the intelligence to realise that my boobs and lips need plumping up.  |
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:07 am |
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| I am hoping that HA has the intelligence to realise that my boobs and lips need plumping up. |
PMSL!!!!!
...I really must get some of this stuff! |
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:07 am |
| I have been taking the HA capsules for a few months now. My lips have not been dry at all since taking them. Lips are much smoother in appearance. My ankle feels better when I take the HA. Happy camper here!! Thanks Carrie. |
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:06 am |
Actually, I have had some improvement with the dry feet also.
Before I started using the HA/Collagen supplements, my feet around the outer edges and heels stayed dry all the time and occasionally, the skin would actually start to peel up along the sides/bottom. It was sore enough that I'd have to try to snip the little pieces of skin that were lifting and put bandaids on some places on my feet to keep it from peeling further. I just realized that since I added those supplements to the ones I was already taking, I haven't had the problem of skin peeling up at all.
Not sure why my feet were so dry. I drink 2 quarts of water a day, eat healthy food, and take quality supplements. I also don't wear hose or heels every day (usually sandals here in Texas). I still have some dryness on the heels, but it is tons better.
Definitely, your body will asses where a supplement is most needed and make those decisions for you. Having said that, specific nutrients will still only work on certain specific body functions, but if a supplement might benefit several body functions, the body, in it's wisdom, prioritizes. If someone had plumper lips and you didn't, it doesn't necessarily mean that supplement won't work for you. It may mean that something else was higher priority and it is taking care of that first.
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:55 am |
| I read the above with great interest - anyone else tried it with good results? Willing to give it a try if I hear that the population of Angelina Jolie lookalikes has risen substantially! |
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 12:17 pm |
I've given in: I ordered my HA today from vitacost.com. Honestly, it was the foot thing that got me.
I'd like to have sexy lips, but finally fixing my scratchedy ol' feet? Now I'm sold.
Just curious, but has anyone noticed any improvement in dry hands as well?
I can't wait to find out where my body decides to use my new HA supplements! |
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 12:43 pm |
You lot are a hoot - this is the funniest topic I have read on the forum.
Can I just ask - are there any side effects to taking the HA/collagen supplements? Actually, reading the above comments on noses and feet, maybe I should re-phrase that... emmmmm..... can it be bad for you in any way?  |
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:51 pm |
I finally found a Health Food store here that stocks HA and bought the one you're using Lily - Organika. Just been taking it for a couple of days and can report that it's done wonders for the arthritis in my thumbs
Since I'm using a three products on my lips (Swellips, City Lips and HA) its hard to say which of these products is responsible, but my lips are sure looking pretty good too
Lily how many of the Organika are you taking every day? I'm just taking one atm.
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:38 pm |
Hi Anya.
I take 3 capsules a day. Wow! I'm impressed that you are noticing a difference with your arthritis already and on just one capsule a day! That's great!  |
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Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:28 am |
Hey Anya -
So you’re still using the Swellips? How often do you (remember to) apply it? How long are you massaging it in for? I’ve gotten lazy (or complacent!) and half the time I don’t remember to use my Swellips anymore.... |
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Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:41 pm |
Where can I buy Swellips? I've only seen it on Ebay.
Thanks,
Tif |
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Wed Jan 26, 2005 5:10 pm |
Lily I'm amazed too! The cold weather really plays havoc with my thumbs, but yeah, they've been painfree all week I might start taking two a day, but I'm not brave enough to go with 3
Carrie that Swellips goes a long way! I still only apply it at night and massage for about 5 mins (I have to reapply a couple of times in that period otherwise it gets kinda sticky 
Tiffy you can only get it on eBay as far as I know. But the lady that makes/sells it, gives good service.
Anya |
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Thu Jan 27, 2005 5:25 am |
You know, now that you mention it, my scratchedy ole feet are in better shape now, too. I didn’t notice before because I normally pretty much ignore my feet during the winter time, letting them get in pretty bad shape. I mean, who’s going to know? It’s winter time, I’m wearing closed-toed shoes or boots most of the time! Usually, come summer, I start an intensive campaign to get my feet back into sandal-wearing shape, but this winter I’ve been using my foot file (Mabsy’s right – it’s much better than a plain ole pumice stone!!) more or less on a regular basis so I figured that was the reason that my feet were in better shape this year. But I think it’s probably a combination of both the foot-filing and taking the HA capsules because, in addition to not being “scaly,” my feet haven’t been as dry this season – meaning I don’t feel compelled to slather on a layer of lotion or cream every couple hours because my feet feel like they’re going to crack and split open! I don’t think I’d have ever put 2 + 2 together and made the connection had Lily not pointed it out to me. So I have plump lips AND soft feet – who could ask for more???
Carrie
P.S. Yes, Swellips is only available on Ebay. It’s solely the recipe/invention of this lady who lives in Austin. But, as Anya said, she gives really good service – she even has a positive rating if you look at her buyer reviews/feedback so you can feel pretty safe ordering from her.
Speaking of Ebay, someone told me that they bought a ‘sample’ of hyaluronic acid capsules from someone on Ebay who was marketing them as a lip plumper! So who’s the person that hijacked my idea and decided to turn it into a profit???? I don’t mind someone “legit” like Judy following up and possibly marketing it, but this is just too much! I KNEW I should have tried to patent it or something.... |
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