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Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:03 pm  |
| Keliu wrote: |
This is a good question, and one that has come up before. It is the latest question on an Estheticians Forum that I'm watching - so when a answer comes in there, I'll let you know. In the meantime this is from the Palacia Skincare site:
http://www.palaciabeautydevice.com/Articles.asp?ID=131
Effects of Direct High Frequency:
•Disinfect skin
•Drying and healing seborrhea / acne
•Provides effluvation - warming sensation to increase skin temperature.
2. Indirect High Frequency - Is the use of the current for relaxation and sedation. Unlike the direct method the current flows through the surface of the body, and has a regenerating action.
Use for Indirect High Frequency:
•To aid penetration of a treatment cream/ampule by increasing blood flow in certain areas, whereas infra-red or massage would stimulate the entire face.
•To assist in massage for an aging skin using the indirect method.
Effects of Indirect High Frequency:
•Stimulates blood lymphatic flow
•Stimulates the heat in the tissue
•Stimulates seboceous secretion
•Stimulates relaxation effect
So apparently, there is a difference between direct and indirect high frequency. |
Keliu, is this device similar to the ProLight High Frequency Beauty Device:
http://www.prolightaesthetics.com/catalog/item/6603459/6534133.htm |
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Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:20 am |
| foxe wrote: |
| I get a film of sorts on my glass tubes - and I use a washcloth or exfoliating cloth beforehand. Hmm? I have such oily skin that I thought it was some oily residue. Now I'm wondering since so many others say they have it too. |
I didn't even think of oil, foxe. I have oily skin too so maybe that's what it is. I wonder if SkinDeep has oily skin. |
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Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:22 am |
| Zoftig wrote: |
| Does everyone get the real strong odor from the ozone?? Mine will last for hours afterwards in my hair. It's off putting but I'll not stop and I'll probably always use it on high. |
I have a strong odor while I'm doing the treatment, Zoftig, but it doesn't seem to hang around very long. I am loving the tingling I get on my scalp when it's turned on high. It really seems to give my hair a lot of shine too. |
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Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:13 am |
Sorry I'm late in answering - but I haven't been receiving the notifications (it's so annoying when that happens).
I'm not familiar with the ProLight model - but I would say that it looks more similar to the DermaWand in that it's compact and doesn't have interchangeable glass rods.
If you're thinking about getting a HF device, I would urge you to consider the more professional devices - they're more powerful and the different glass heads are very useful - (and I should know!)  |
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Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:18 am |
| Skippie wrote: |
| I finally used the HF on the highest setting and it really does tingle. When I finished, I had a film on the mushroom head that I've never had with a lower setting. Do you think that's dead skin or soap scum or makeup/sunscreen residue or something else? Does anyone else have that film when you finish? |
I get the film too - not all the time, but sometimes. I especially notice it if I have used the device after applying a serum or cream. If I use it on a clean face after a shower, the glass head is relatively clean. However, I notice it on the comb head quite often and have to clean it regularly. So I think it's either product or oil, or both.
As for the ozone smell - it really doesn't bother me. |
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Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:51 am |
| I do have oily skin, Skippie...not too sure what that film is... |
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38 fair skin,oily, hormonal acne, rosacea...trying to combat facial sagging and skin damage on arms and legs. Currently using a Microdermabrasion machine, Pro High Frequency Device, Faceworks facial exercises, Tua Viso, and AALS. |
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Sat Aug 14, 2010 5:51 am |
| I used the HG right after I had done a moor mud treatment and there wasn't a film on the mushroom head this time. That leads me to believe it's either oil (because I'm pretty sure the mud did a good job of cleaning the oil off my skin) or film from the soap I use. |
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Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:13 pm |
Oh my god! I just read through this entire thread and I am soooo intrigued.. does it really help with acne, though? I know JLM had great results, anybody else using it for blemish-prone skin?
I also have several tiny weeny little warts (possibly seborrheic keratoses?) on my face. Was that the kind of warts you had, Keliu?
I am so excited. This sounds way too good to be true, but if it works for me I'll be the happiest ever. I've suffered from light acne all my life, recently it's gotten worse, so unless I want to go back on birth control, I really need something to regulate this. My birthday is coming up soon, so I would be able to invest in this. |
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Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:39 pm |
I've had great success using the HF for blemishes, I highly recommend it for that.
I wonder if these 'warts' you mention are Sebaceous hyperplasia instead? Look at these pics and see if yours look like these:
http://www.skinsight.com/adult/sebaceousHyperplasia.htm |
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early 60's, fair skin, combo skin, very few fine lines, vertical lip lines, crows feet & 11's, fighting aging! Using Palancia HF, dermarollers, CPs, Retin A Micro, Safetox, AALS, Clairsonic |
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Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:31 pm |
Hm.. kinda, but not really. I googled seborrheic keratoses but it doesn't really look like that either. I have no idea. My dermatologist back in the day just said it's from sun exposure and to exfoliate to make them flatter 
Did your HF help you with those?
But that's great, foxe, that you had success with blemishes. If you don't mind me asking, what kind of acne/blemishes did you have? Do you still get it? And (I think you mentioned it somewhere in this thread but I forgot) do you use the Palacia HF?
Oh my, this is exciting.  |
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Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:55 am |
| I'm finding that when I use the HF on my hair, my scalp itches like crazy the next day. I'm not sure if it's drying my scalp out or if it's something else. |
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Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:51 am |
Skippie,
My scalp itches like crazy immediately after using the HF. I assumed it was the stimulation effect that causes hair regrowth. A day after?... maybe you're just a late responder... but it's still a good thing don't you think? |
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Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:45 am |
| Zoftig wrote: |
Skippie,
My scalp itches like crazy immediately after using the HF. I assumed it was the stimulation effect that causes hair regrowth. A day after?... maybe you're just a late responder... but it's still a good thing don't you think? |
I'm glad I'm not the only one, Zoftig. I certainly hope it's something positive happening.
late responder - the story of my life |
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besterry1
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Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:01 am |
| Does anybody use both the neon and the violet electodes. I just got the violet set in and they seem much cooler to the skin than my neon ones. Also has any one tried galvanic machines.So far I have used mostly the neon spoon electode and I believe it has helped with pore size and smoothed out texture. |
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Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:03 am |
| Penta wrote: |
Hm.. kinda, but not really. I googled seborrheic keratoses but it doesn't really look like that either. I have no idea. My dermatologist back in the day just said it's from sun exposure and to exfoliate to make them flatter
Did your HF help you with those? |
I have only one or two of these and did not see a great deal of difference using the HF on them. Exfoliating can help as can using Retin A. Exposure to the sun can cause them, but they are mostly hormonally related/androgen sensitive. Some people get them more than others, is all. I know of someone else who's derm just zaps them off occasionally for her and she keeps them in control w/ a topical BHA.
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But that's great, foxe, that you had success with blemishes. If you don't mind me asking, what kind of acne/blemishes did you have? Do you still get it? And (I think you mentioned it somewhere in this thread but I forgot) do you use the Palacia HF?
Oh my, this is exciting. |
I have a lot of clogged pores/blackheads that are gradually improving. Last year, my skin reacted terribly to 302's skin care line, and it took a long time to recover. The HF did a great job of settling down the skin after an extraction (I tend to do that to a lot of my clogged ones  ), and I know I shouldn't. It acts as an anti-septic on it with the ozone. The HF also helped to settle down inflammed ones(which occured on their own). I do use the Palacia.
Frankly, for acne, I'm finding the Wonderbar and some other moor mud products are working fantastically. The HF just helps in that. |
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early 60's, fair skin, combo skin, very few fine lines, vertical lip lines, crows feet & 11's, fighting aging! Using Palancia HF, dermarollers, CPs, Retin A Micro, Safetox, AALS, Clairsonic |
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Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:22 pm |
I was planning to start using Retin-A again. I tried about 6 months ago, slowly eased into it and after a week my skin had the worst reaction that left hyperpigmentation for about 2 months or so. It was pretty terrible. But I'm going to try again, even more slowly, I guess.
But my mind is made up, as soon as I have a little bit of money coming through I'll get a Palacia
Just one thing that confused me on their site ( http://www.palaciabeautydevice.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=HIGH%2DFREQUENCY%2DMACHINE ) was that it says:
Safety Precautions and Maintenance
- Remove any type of metal such as jewelry pieces while using the machine
- Do not use the device if you or your client have concerns of couperose skin, acne, or high blood pressure
And you all have the neon one, right? I'm sort of tempted to get the violet one, because my skin isn't oily and my main concern right now is acne, but then again I'm scared to stray from the pack, lol. Violet looks really pretty, too. |
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Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:01 pm |
| Also, would anybody mind directing me to any other helpful forums/articles regarding the palacia? I've been looking but can't find anything useful. |
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Mon Aug 23, 2010 3:56 pm |
| Penta wrote: |
| Also, would anybody mind directing me to any other helpful forums/articles regarding the palacia? I've been looking but can't find anything useful. |
Penta,
The only place I've seen it discussed is here:
http://www.beautifulonraw.com/Holistic_Device_Violet_Ray.html
She calls it the Violet Ray but it's the same device. |
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Mon Aug 23, 2010 4:44 pm |
| Thanks, skippie! Oh yes, lol, I've seen her videos on youtube! |
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arjdette04
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Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:48 pm |
| Skippie wrote: |
| Palacia had a 15% off coupon over July 4th. If I see another one, I'll be sure to post it. |
That was a great information we've got from you, Skippie and thumbs-up for it. Ive also watched it in You tube. I am really looking for more discount coupons so that I can save more money. |
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Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:47 pm |
| I am so excited about getting this! Anybody has more rave updates? |
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Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:48 am |
Is anyone familiar with Prurigo Nodularis?
My father has this on his scalp and it is can be painful and quite itchy. He has been taking a low dose tetracycline for decades to keep it under control but earlier this year it caused him to have a seizure, which thankfully did not seem to have caused any long term effects but we are concerned about it happening again.
I am encouraged by the results the HF can have on acne, which is essentially what this scalp condition is.
Has anyone used or known someone who used HF to deal with conditions like the prurigo nodularis?
Thanks! |
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Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:19 am |
Hi moxiemama,
hm, I don't know of anybody, since I only know the ladies on here that use the palacia. However, I think it might work. I read the wikipedia article about Prurigo Nodularis and, as you said, it's somewhat similar to acne.
Let's hope somebody more knowledgeable than me answers.
Good to know your father is okay, though. I hope you find something that works for him.
All the best!  |
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 8:26 am |
| I used a vitamin e oil with the HF last night. I usually use it on a clean face, so I wasn't sure what to expect. I was surprised to find that I felt the treatment more and I couldn't do it as long because my skin was beginning to hurt. Is anyone else using a product prior to treatment? |
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:34 am |
Skippie,
I use the ELS serum beforehand (from SAS) and it doesn't hurt... but does get warm. How long are you using it each time? |
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