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Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:55 am  |
| Thanks for the tip, DarkMoon! I'll try that. |
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Tue May 10, 2011 10:05 am |
| Anyone know where to buy this in Vancouver? |
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Tue May 10, 2011 11:40 am |
I must add my praise for the Ocean-tested sunscreen to the discussion.
I've used this now for an entire year and have NO complaints:
It moisturizes my dry skin (or, doesn't try it out).
It does not leave a white cast, but settles into a matte finish.
It protects.
It doesn't break me out or irritate my skin.
The price is right.
It has all the right ingredients (all physical SS, mostly natural, even some skin-friendly goodies inside)
In short, this is my "HOLY GRAIL" sunscreen!
Thanks EDS members for turning me on to it!
--avalange |
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Wed May 18, 2011 8:35 am |
Nimue!
Do i need to reaply this sunscreen through out the day. I have melasma and acne. I recently switch to burnout sunscreen (clean & clear) thanks to this thread and your recommendation. So far i am liking this.This sure is protecting my skin from new pigmentation. I used sofina sunscreen for more than year thinking that that is physical based sunscreen and will be good for my melasma . But i was wrong i got three new spot on my face while i was using that everyday. I don't know why that happened sofina has 13.87% zinc with other fiter. Anyways i want to ask you i work 7am to 4pm indoor. And i have drive for 45 mins each direction do i need to reaply burnout sunscreen or morning application is good enough for whole day. thank you  |
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Wed May 18, 2011 2:59 pm |
It sounds like you don't have to reapply. As long as you don't come in contact with water, sweat, rub your face, etc you don't need to reapply. On a typical day I do not reapply, it's good for the whole day. Just make sure you're applying enough (there was just discussion on that in the Devita thread).
| hazelwood160 wrote: |
Nimue!
Do i need to reaply this sunscreen through out the day. I have melasma and acne. I recently switch to burnout sunscreen (clean & clear) thanks to this thread and your recommendation. So far i am liking this.This sure is protecting my skin from new pigmentation. I used sofina sunscreen for more than year thinking that that is physical based sunscreen and will be good for my melasma . But i was wrong i got three new spot on my face while i was using that everyday. I don't know why that happened sofina has 13.87% zinc with other fiter. Anyways i want to ask you i work 7am to 4pm indoor. And i have drive for 45 mins each direction do i need to reaply burnout sunscreen or morning application is good enough for whole day. thank you |
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Wed May 18, 2011 3:39 pm |
| Nimue wrote: |
It sounds like you don't have to reapply. As long as you don't come in contact with water, sweat, rub your face, etc you don't need to reapply. On a typical day I do not reapply, it's good for the whole day. Just make sure you're applying enough (there was just discussion on that in the Devita thread).
| hazelwood160 wrote: |
Nimue!
Do i need to reaply this sunscreen through out the day. I have melasma and acne. I recently switch to burnout sunscreen (clean & clear) thanks to this thread and your recommendation. So far i am liking this.This sure is protecting my skin from new pigmentation. I used sofina sunscreen for more than year thinking that that is physical based sunscreen and will be good for my melasma . But i was wrong i got three new spot on my face while i was using that everyday. I don't know why that happened sofina has 13.87% zinc with other fiter. Anyways i want to ask you i work 7am to 4pm indoor. And i have drive for 45 mins each direction do i need to reaply burnout sunscreen or morning application is good enough for whole day. thank you |
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Thank you! Have you ever used asian brand sunscreen if so how would you compare with burnout sunscreen.I am just curious because when i was using sofina sunscreen which is physical sunscreen with 13.87% zinc i got new pigmentation spots . |
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Wed May 18, 2011 6:32 pm |
| avalange wrote: |
I must add my praise for the Ocean-tested sunscreen to the discussion.
I've used this now for an entire year and have NO complaints:
It moisturizes my dry skin (or, doesn't try it out).
It does not leave a white cast, but settles into a matte finish.
It protects.
It doesn't break me out or irritate my skin.
The price is right.
It has all the right ingredients (all physical SS, mostly natural, even some skin-friendly goodies inside)
In short, this is my "HOLY GRAIL" sunscreen!
Thanks EDS members for turning me on to it!
--avalange |
do you know what it'sl ike on oily/combo skin? |
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Tue May 31, 2011 10:36 am |
| I was at my son's soccer tournament this last 3-day weekend. I have had the same tube of Burnout Ocean for about six months and was worried it might be losing its efficacy, but one application in the morning worked perfectly. We were outdoors most of the day, and at one point it even rained (not fun) but the stuff is like an almost invisible and impenetrable mask. |
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Tue May 31, 2011 2:37 pm |
| oasisjc wrote: |
| avalange wrote: |
I must add my praise for the Ocean-tested sunscreen to the discussion.
I've used this now for an entire year and have NO complaints:
It moisturizes my dry skin (or, doesn't try it out).
It does not leave a white cast, but settles into a matte finish.
It protects.
It doesn't break me out or irritate my skin.
The price is right.
It has all the right ingredients (all physical SS, mostly natural, even some skin-friendly goodies inside)
In short, this is my "HOLY GRAIL" sunscreen!
Thanks EDS members for turning me on to it!
--avalange |
do you know what it'sl ike on oily/combo skin? |
Hi Oasis,
I have somewhat oily skin and I do really like BurnOut Clean and Clear. |
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Tue May 31, 2011 10:04 pm |
| Hermosa wrote: |
| I was at my son's soccer tournament this last 3-day weekend. I have had the same tube of Burnout Ocean for about six months and was worried it might be losing its efficacy, but one application in the morning worked perfectly. We were outdoors most of the day, and at one point it even rained (not fun) but the stuff is like an almost invisible and impenetrable mask. |
Does that mean its hard to remove. What do you use to wash it off then? |
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Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:38 am |
| You know, I have to say that I'm not too sure about these physical sunscreens' abilities to block UVA's-- I have been using BurnOut & Devita in hopes of protecting the hyperpigmentation on my cheeks, and while these spots have not gotten darker, I can tell that I've gotten a bit darker overall. But then, I can tan at the drop of a hat and I've been out in the sun a lot recently. I've switched over my Shiseido SPF 60 Face & Body, which has 16.3% zinc oxide, 2.0% Ensulizole & 7.4% Octinoxate & feel better protected. I think for me, I'll be using the BurnOut & Devita on low sun exposure days. |
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Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:46 am |
OH, dear.... Another lemming has been created.  The price point of Burnout is extremely appealing, will have to order all 3 formulas.
Not sure if any of these will match the elegance of Clarins new formula for facial sun protection, but it sounds like a better alternative for the rest of me over the Blue Lizard I've been using.
Thanks for the great and detailed reviews, all! |
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Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:21 am |
| JLM wrote: |
| You know, I have to say that I'm not too sure about these physical sunscreens' abilities to block UVA's-- I have been using BurnOut & Devita in hopes of protecting the hyperpigmentation on my cheeks, and while these spots have not gotten darker, I can tell that I've gotten a bit darker overall. But then, I can tan at the drop of a hat and I've been out in the sun a lot recently. I've switched over my Shiseido SPF 60 Face & Body, which has 16.3% zinc oxide, 2.0% Ensulizole & 7.4% Octinoxate & feel better protected. I think for me, I'll be using the BurnOut & Devita on low sun exposure days. |
Zinc oxide's ability to block UVA rays is quite good as it has a very long range of which UVA rays to protect. The only problem with it is that it can't block the ENTIRE range of UVA rays which may be the problem you're experiencing. There was a chart on here before that showed which active sunscreen ingredient blocked which spectrum of UVA and UVB rays.. I'll post it back here if I come across it. |
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Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:35 am |
| I'm game, ordering today! The products I've been using have to be reapplied and I either forget or just lack the time. I do like Osmosis Shelter but I find it thick and my other fav Lavanila is $28 for less product. |
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Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:58 pm |
| oasisjc wrote: |
| JLM wrote: |
| You know, I have to say that I'm not too sure about these physical sunscreens' abilities to block UVA's-- I have been using BurnOut & Devita in hopes of protecting the hyperpigmentation on my cheeks, and while these spots have not gotten darker, I can tell that I've gotten a bit darker overall. But then, I can tan at the drop of a hat and I've been out in the sun a lot recently. I've switched over my Shiseido SPF 60 Face & Body, which has 16.3% zinc oxide, 2.0% Ensulizole & 7.4% Octinoxate & feel better protected. I think for me, I'll be using the BurnOut & Devita on low sun exposure days. |
Zinc oxide's ability to block UVA rays is quite good as it has a very long range of which UVA rays to protect. The only problem with it is that it can't block the ENTIRE range of UVA rays which may be the problem you're experiencing. There was a chart on here before that showed which active sunscreen ingredient blocked which spectrum of UVA and UVB rays.. I'll post it back here if I come across it. |
Ah, good point oasisjc! Don't worry, I saw the chart too. Well then, what to do? It seems that with chemical ss you run the risk of irritating your skin or perhaps putting something that might have an estrogenic effect on your body (as I heard with octinoxate, please correct me if I'm wrong); with physical ss, you end up with a bit of incomplete UVA coverage. Can't win.  |
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Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:50 pm |
Here we go, this is the chart I was talking about:
Credits to DarkMoon for uploading it first.
As you can see, no ingredient can completely block UVA rays. Tinosorb M is the best, but it is a chemical sunscreen so you might not like that. Nor is it approved by the FDA yet. But if you look at zinc oxide, it already does a pretty good job. Maybe you could reapply more often as sweating can reduce the SPF a bit. |
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Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:16 pm |
| iaimei wrote: |
Does that mean its hard to remove. What do you use to wash it off then? |
I wouldn't say it's particularly hard to remove. I layer it on pretty thickly, and to me it has a consistency similar to grease paint or pancake makeup.
I usually do a pretty thorough job of washing my face, and I have had no problem removing all traces at the end of the day. But you will need more than a moisturized wipe! |
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Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:00 pm |
| athena123 wrote: |
OH, dear.... Another lemming has been created. The price point of Burnout is extremely appealing, will have to order all 3 formulas.
Not sure if any of these will match the elegance of Clarins new formula for facial sun protection, but it sounds like a better alternative for the rest of me over the Blue Lizard I've been using.
Thanks for the great and detailed reviews, all! |
Oh yes, Burnout is much nicer than Blue Lizard. Blue Lizard gave me a very white cast. Burnout doesn't - I've used the Ocean one and the Eco-sensitive. |
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Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:40 pm |
| I'm bit of a sunscreen junkie now. I've tried burntout both clean & clear & the kids version. Personally I didn't really notice much of a difference between them. I've also use Devita which is more moisturizing than burntout, for me it absords better, leaving no whitecast. I've also got the shiseido 16% zinc. It's a lot milky in texture, also absords into the skin quickly. I live in Australia which has one of the highest sun cancer rates in the world. To be honest, I can't honestly say one is better than the other. Except when the humidity is high and I begin to sweat, I do feel I need to reapply the sunscreen around midday to ensure I haven't wiped it off. I've become obsessed that I also apply Jane Iredale powder sunscreen & Peter Thomas Roth mineral sunblock over my face. Despite all this protection and not working outdoors my face does get slightly darker or picks up a tan in the summer! |
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Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:51 pm |
| I have a question about using sunscreen at night.I have using burnout sunscreen clean and clear one and really loving it. I want to find out if it is ok for me to use sunscreen at night too. I have dermal melasma. If i use sunscreen at night am i causing any problem to the skin. I have using burnout sunscreen at night past 3 days after my glycolic acid moisture and my face look more brighter in morning which i am really loving it and concern about damage it could cause more damage than prevention. Is someone else use sunscreen at night? Can someone please share their thoughts? |
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Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:07 pm |
Does anyone know the PPD on this sunscreen? Sorry if it was mentioned before, I just skipped to the end of the thread.
Being a purely physical sunscreen I'm guessing it's not all that high?
@hazelwood160, are you saying your using chemical sunscreen caused more hyperpigmentation??? |
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Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:08 pm |
It's really not necessary at all to use sunscreen at night. There are no UV rays at night, not even the ones reflecting off the moon (it's too weak and the atmosphere diffuses it before it can get to the surface of the earth). And I'm not sure if the following is true or not, but an esthetician once told me that you risk the possibility of rubbing sunscreen ingredients into the skin when sleeping at night.
I think it's your glycolic acid that's giving you a brighter complexion rather than your sunscreen. |
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Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:26 pm |
| Kareberry* wrote: |
Does anyone know the PPD on this sunscreen? Sorry if it was mentioned before, I just skipped to the end of the thread.
Being a purely physical sunscreen I'm guessing it's not all that high?
@hazelwood160, are you saying your using chemical sunscreen caused more hyperpigmentation??? |
Hi!
I think so because when i was using la roche posey 50+ i still got new pigmentation. Now i am only using burnout sunscreen. |
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Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:34 pm |
| Kareberry* wrote: |
Does anyone know the PPD on this sunscreen? Sorry if it was mentioned before, I just skipped to the end of the thread.
Being a purely physical sunscreen I'm guessing it's not all that high?
@hazelwood160, are you saying your using chemical sunscreen caused more hyperpigmentation??? |
I don't know the exact PPD, but if you look at the diagram I posted, zinc oxide has quite a high/broad UVA protection. |
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Thu Jun 02, 2011 2:28 pm |
| oasisjc wrote: |
| It's really not necessary at all to use sunscreen at night. There are no UV rays at night, not even the ones reflecting off the moon (it's too weak and the atmosphere diffuses it before it can get to the surface of the earth). And I'm not sure if the following is true or not, but an esthetician once told me that you risk the possibility of rubbing sunscreen ingredients into the skin when sleeping at night. |
"Some doctors recommend applying sun block the night before and again in the morning to build up a reservoir of sun protection in the skin."
-DeVita packaging
And you know, I'd almost be willing to do just that. I LOVE the way DeVita (with all those yummy ingredients) sinks in, and with my oily skin, that's saying something. |
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