Review: Cellese AnteAGE Serum & Accelerator
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free skin care · Mon May 28, 2012 2:16 pm

DrJ, a number of us is interested in using AnteAge products in conjunction with Environ skincare. Please let us know if and how we can do that?

free skin care · Mon May 28, 2012 2:22 pm

DrJ wrote:

Thanks, bethany. You actually see only a few of our sites. I think we have several hundred (now or in the works).

I did QVC once (when I was in the music industry). Not a good fit for Cellese. If you see us on TV, it will probably be sponsoring NOVA as they delve deep into the fascinating world of cytokines.

Wow you've had quiet a life, Music Industry, QVC, Part of Apple, Doctor, Scientist, Medical Director at J&J, Skincare Inventor! The only thing it seems you haven't done is the cover of sports Illustrated in a bikini!

free skin care · Mon May 28, 2012 7:07 pm

Tiny wrote:

DrJ wrote:

Thanks, bethany. You actually see only a few of our sites. I think we have several hundred (now or in the works).

I did QVC once (when I was in the music industry). Not a good fit for Cellese. If you see us on TV, it will probably be sponsoring NOVA as they delve deep into the fascinating world of cytokines.

Wow you've had quiet a life, Music Industry, QVC, Part of Apple, Doctor, Scientist, Medical Director at J&J, Skincare Inventor! The only thing it seems you haven't done is the cover of sports Illustrated in a bikini!

Many entrepreneurs do 2-3 things at a time. You forgot to mention I am also currently reinventing GPS (www.locatacorp.com). Haven't gotten the offer yet for SI. Waiting.

free skin care · Mon May 28, 2012 7:14 pm

DrJ wrote:

Tiny wrote:

DrJ wrote:

Thanks, bethany. You actually see only a few of our sites. I think we have several hundred (now or in the works).

I did QVC once (when I was in the music industry). Not a good fit for Cellese. If you see us on TV, it will probably be sponsoring NOVA as they delve deep into the fascinating world of cytokines.

Wow you've had quiet a life, Music Industry, QVC, Part of Apple, Doctor, Scientist, Medical Director at J&J, Skincare Inventor! The only thing it seems you haven't done is the cover of sports Illustrated in a bikini!

Many entrepreneurs do 2-3 things at a time. You forgot to mention I am also currently reinventing GPS (www.locatacorp.com). Haven't gotten the offer yet for SI. Waiting.

Well my bad!

free skin care · Mon May 28, 2012 7:17 pm

DrJ wrote:

Haven't gotten the offer yet for SI. Waiting.

LOL. Please let us know when you get that offer, Dr. J. I think we would all line up to buy the issue! Laughing

free skin care · Mon May 28, 2012 7:40 pm

Just pointing out that the Visia Skin Analysis was considered good enough to measure the results of skin needling:

Quote:

Taking these findings a step further, is it possible that “less is best” in the context of cosmetic vs. medical rolling? To gain some insight, a retrospective study on 44 patients was done using data from Visia Skin Analysis to provide “objective” numbers. While there are many variables (age, lifestyle, compliance, active ingredients and dose applied topically, duration of treatment etc.) the positive findings are encouraging in that they were obtained, for the most part, under least favorable conditions (compliance).
http://www.acaciadermacare.com/upload/docs/Cosmetic%20vs%20Medical%20Needling%20Abstract.pdf

free skin care · Mon May 28, 2012 7:49 pm

Keliu wrote:

Just pointing out that the Visia Skin Analysis was considered good enough to measure the results of skin needling:

Quote:

Taking these findings a step further, is it possible that “less is best” in the context of cosmetic vs. medical rolling? To gain some insight, a retrospective study on 44 patients was done using data from Visia Skin Analysis to provide “objective” numbers. While there are many variables (age, lifestyle, compliance, active ingredients and dose applied topically, duration of treatment etc.) the positive findings are encouraging in that they were obtained, for the most part, under least favorable conditions (compliance).
http://www.acaciadermacare.com/upload/docs/Cosmetic%20vs%20Medical%20Needling%20Abstract.pdf

Can someone explain how you can do a retrospective study using Visia? You would only have one set of images unless you did it on everyone who walks through the door.

free skin care · Mon May 28, 2012 8:09 pm

DrJ wrote:

Can someone explain how you can do a retrospective study using Visia? You would only have one set of images unless you did it on everyone who walks through the door.

Obviously the analysis would be from before starting product to 6 or 12 months down the track.

Bethany - you were considering getting a Visia analysis done, did you?

free skin care · Mon May 28, 2012 8:23 pm

DrJ posing for Sports Illustrated?

Let's get the rumor mill churning shall we?

It's true!!! I read it at EDS.

Laughing

free skin care · Mon May 28, 2012 8:55 pm

RussianSunshine wrote:

DrJ, a number of us is interested in using AnteAge products in conjunction with Environ skincare. Please let us know if and how we can do that?

Any particular ones? They seem to have a whole line of products.

free skin care · Mon May 28, 2012 10:09 pm

DrJ wrote:

RussianSunshine wrote:

DrJ, a number of us is interested in using AnteAge products in conjunction with Environ skincare. Please let us know if and how we can do that?

Any particular ones? They seem to have a whole line of products.

I and rileygirl are using the AVST range of moisturizers: http://www.dermaconcepts.com/product_ranges

rileygirl wrote:

AVST 1: The introductory moisturizer of the AVST step-up system. This product contains low levels of A, C, and antioxidants.

AVST 2: Contains medium levels of A and C.

AVST 3: Contains moderately high levels of A, C, Palmitoyl Oligopeptide and Palmitoyl Tetrapeptide 7.

AVST 4: Contains high levels of A, C, Palmitoyl Oligopeptide and Palmitoyl Tetrapeptide 7.

AVST 5: Contains the highest level of A, C Palmitoyl Oligopeptide and Palmitoyl Tetrapeptide 7

And bethany uses the Ionzyme C-quence range: http://www.dermaconcepts.com/product_ranges

Also, DrJ, can we please refrain from discussing different types of personalities, and making assumptions about the reasons people spend time on the forum(s). It's a big turn-off for many forum readers. When I read about personalities on this particular forum, I feel like I am wasting my time. Let's focus on the products, please. Besides, it is ok not to be liked by everyone. Wink

free skin care · Tue May 29, 2012 12:16 am

Keliu wrote:

DrJ wrote:

Can someone explain how you can do a retrospective study using Visia? You would only have one set of images unless you did it on everyone who walks through the door.

Obviously the analysis would be from before starting product to 6 or 12 months down the track.

Bethany - you were considering getting a Visia analysis done, did you?

I haven't had a chance yet since work has been nuts. But what I did last time was do an initial test (free at my derm at the time) and then I did a followup (also free) later. I am hoping to get there next week when I am (hopefully) on vacation. But I'm not using AnteAge at the moment and just started on Environ, so I need to factor that in to the timing considerations.

free skin care · Tue May 29, 2012 6:13 am

RussianSunshine wrote:

DrJ wrote:

RussianSunshine wrote:

DrJ, a number of us is interested in using AnteAge products in conjunction with Environ skincare. Please let us know if and how we can do that?

Any particular ones? They seem to have a whole line of products.

I and rileygirl are using the AVST range of moisturizers: http://www.dermaconcepts.com/product_ranges

rileygirl wrote:

AVST 1: The introductory moisturizer of the AVST step-up system. This product contains low levels of A, C, and antioxidants.

AVST 2: Contains medium levels of A and C.

AVST 3: Contains moderately high levels of A, C, Palmitoyl Oligopeptide and Palmitoyl Tetrapeptide 7.

AVST 4: Contains high levels of A, C, Palmitoyl Oligopeptide and Palmitoyl Tetrapeptide 7.

AVST 5: Contains the highest level of A, C Palmitoyl Oligopeptide and Palmitoyl Tetrapeptide 7

And bethany uses the Ionzyme C-quence range: http://www.dermaconcepts.com/product_ranges

Also, DrJ, can we please refrain from discussing different types of personalities, and making assumptions about the reasons people spend time on the forum(s). It's a big turn-off for many forum readers. When I read about personalities on this particular forum, I feel like I am wasting my time. Let's focus on the products, please. Besides, it is ok not to be liked by everyone. Wink

Good morning RussianSunshine. I took a gander at the ingredients, and they are all just fine. I see no incompatibilities with AnteAge. A, C, Palmitoyl Oligopeptide and Palmitoyl Tetrapeptide 7 are in AnteAge as well. The only dosing issue would be with VitA - if you use with accelerator - making sure you tolerate the higher overall dose.

"not to be liked by everyone" - is that the same as nobody likes me? You know me, I'm a scientist. Like to analyze the world; slice, dice, and build a classification system.

free skin care · Tue May 29, 2012 8:56 am

Quote:

"not to be liked by everyone" - is that the same as nobody likes me? You know me, I'm a scientist. Like to analyze the world; slice, dice, and build a classification system.

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Admittedly, the system is a little rough...could use some fine tuning..

free skin care · Tue May 29, 2012 9:04 am

DragoN wrote:

Quote:

"not to be liked by everyone" - is that the same as nobody likes me? You know me, I'm a scientist. Like to analyze the world; slice, dice, and build a classification system.

Harpy paininbutticus:
Harpy paininbutticus retardus
Harpy paininbutticus moronus
Harpy paininbutticus wisecrackus
Harpy paininbutticus elstupidio
Harpy paininbutticus geniarsus

Admittedly, the system is a little rough...could use some fine tuning..

I'm not going to ask where I belong in this system. Shock

free skin care · Tue May 29, 2012 9:23 am

DragoN wrote:

Quote:

"not to be liked by everyone" - is that the same as nobody likes me? You know me, I'm a scientist. Like to analyze the world; slice, dice, and build a classification system.

Harpy paininbutticus:
Harpy paininbutticus retardus
Harpy paininbutticus moronus
Harpy paininbutticus wisecrackus
Harpy paininbutticus elstupidio
Harpy paininbutticus geniarsus

Admittedly, the system is a little rough...could use some fine tuning..

don't be so hard on yourself.

free skin care · Tue May 29, 2012 9:37 am

DrJ wrote:

Good morning RussianSunshine. I took a gander at the ingredients, and they are all just fine. I see no incompatibilities with AnteAge. A, C, Palmitoyl Oligopeptide and Palmitoyl Tetrapeptide 7 are in AnteAge as well. The only dosing issue would be with VitA - if you use with accelerator - making sure you tolerate the higher overall dose.

Dr. J, would it be best to continue AnteAGE serum and accelerator in the morning, and then the AVST at night? Would separating the use of the 2 product lines be preferable, or would it be ok to use the AnteAGE serum and then the AVST on top?

free skin care · Tue May 29, 2012 9:39 am

rileygirl wrote:

DrJ wrote:

Good morning RussianSunshine. I took a gander at the ingredients, and they are all just fine. I see no incompatibilities with AnteAge. A, C, Palmitoyl Oligopeptide and Palmitoyl Tetrapeptide 7 are in AnteAge as well. The only dosing issue would be with VitA - if you use with accelerator - making sure you tolerate the higher overall dose.

Dr. J, would it be best to continue AnteAGE serum and accelerator in the morning, and then the AVST at night? Would separating the use of the 2 product lines be preferable, or would it be ok to use the AnteAGE serum and then the AVST on top?

The latter. Serum 2x per day important. AVST on top should layer fine.

free skin care · Tue May 29, 2012 9:44 am

Harpy paininbutticus draconus Wink

free skin care · Tue May 29, 2012 10:00 am

DrJ wrote:

Serum 2x per day important. AVST on top should layer fine.

Ahh, very interesting. I did not realize the serum twice a day was important (even though that is what I had been doing up until a week ago!). Thank you. That is what I will do then!

free skin care · Tue May 29, 2012 10:19 am

rileygirl wrote:

DrJ wrote:

Serum 2x per day important. AVST on top should layer fine.

Ahh, very interesting. I did not realize the serum twice a day was important (even though that is what I had been doing up until a week ago!). Thank you. That is what I will do then!

You might get more bang for your buck by applying the "AVST" 1st.. I'd assume it is thinner, but most importantly the AnteAge serum has a penetration enhancer in it ( Dimethyl Isosorbide), which would work best applied on top.

Makes sense to me anyway.

free skin care · Tue May 29, 2012 11:07 am

Kassy_A wrote:

You might get more bang for your buck by applying the "AVST" 1st.. I'd assume it is thinner, but most importantly the AnteAge serum has a penetration enhancer in it ( Dimethyl Isosorbide), which would work best applied on top.

The AVST is similar to the accelerator and is thicker than the AnteAge serum.

free skin care · Tue May 29, 2012 11:16 am

Kassy_A wrote:

rileygirl wrote:

DrJ wrote:

Serum 2x per day important. AVST on top should layer fine.

Ahh, very interesting. I did not realize the serum twice a day was important (even though that is what I had been doing up until a week ago!). Thank you. That is what I will do then!

You might get more bang for your buck by applying the "AVST" 1st.. I'd assume it is thinner, but most importantly the AnteAge serum has a penetration enhancer in it ( Dimethyl Isosorbide), which would work best applied on top.

Makes sense to me anyway.

By far the most important ingredient is stem cytokines, and there is a multi-pronged strategy to get them absorbed. If you put AVST on first, it would tend to create a moat effect whereby stem cytokines would be dispersed in a larger volume of soluent, and there may even be things in there that complex with nanoparticle envelopes. If you apply serum first, to clean skin surface, and wait a minute before applying anything else, you will have absorbed key actives created that all important layer.

free skin care · Tue May 29, 2012 12:54 pm

DrJ wrote:

If you apply serum first, to clean skin surface, and wait a minute before applying anything else, you will have absorbed key actives created that all important layer.

So no toner before the AnteAge Serum?? Confused

free skin care · Tue May 29, 2012 1:04 pm

RussianSunshine wrote:

DrJ wrote:

If you apply serum first, to clean skin surface, and wait a minute before applying anything else, you will have absorbed key actives created that all important layer.

So no toner before the AnteAge Serum?? Confused

Best when applied to cleansed bare skin.

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