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Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:16 am |
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It lasted slightly less than a month, and I was using it on my face, neck, and chest. I also used it on all modes...I am not sure why they list it for just cleansing/massage? |
Thanks Bethany - I think I will just use it for cleansing & perhaps massage since we really aren't certain exactly what is in there! May whip up some HAcid & MAP for the rest of the steps till I figure out what I want to use.
I heard back from Sqoom this am and this is part of their responses to me:
I know you use a special type of hyaluronic acid in your gels but I have read that some of the lower weight hyaluronic acids can be proinflammatory. How do I know that yours is not?
The molecular size as well as the ‚weight‘ of our hyaluronic acid is well balanced. Medical proven. Please note, our SQOOM Gels are equipped with very complex structure of well balanced molecular sizes. Especially our AntiAging Gels, they reach the dermis, the human and natural moisture depot. Not deeper. In contrast to for example nanotechnologically Gels. So no fear and no harm to our Gels. The development of our Gel-Quality is much more difficult and complex.
3. In regards to the M1 (the device I am interested in purchasing) I have several questions:
a. I am looking at a another device that has a power output of 1.5W/cm2 – I see your range is 0.1W/cm2 – 0.5W/cm2 – Is this referring to the US aspect only & have you determined thru studies that you get adequate dermal penetration with the lower power? Or perhaps with a higher wattage device there is concern that penetration could go in the hypodermis? If you have studies I would love to see them!
The range of 0,1 W/m˛ - 0,5 Wm˛ is well balanced too. We reach the dermis. We don’t want more. The risk in case of more W-power would be to high, to ‘burden’ the periosteum negatively.
Your must know SQOOM concept is a professional concept to at home, normally used in professional cosmetic institutes and cosmetic spa’s, as well in dermatological practice.
Ensuring and guaranteed at the same time with a sufficient degree of security.
b. In looking at your manual (I found 2) – One says that the H/L button is for US switching from 0.9mhz to 1.8mhz (& opposite this pic of the Sqoom it says intensity (on same pg) (I have attached this so you can see what I am referring to)
The next manual (also attached) only refers to this button as intensity. I am curious as to exactly what this button is for as this is confusing!
All our devices are equipped with 1 MGz (not furthermore with 0,9-1,
With 1 MGz we reach our goal for sure, well ballanced with the simultaneous power of ionization (please see attached the particular description*** (internal use only – because for the end-customer this is can be to complicated.
Also since the body skin is generally thicker than the face/neck – how do I know this will penetrate into the dermis & what setting do you recommend for treatment of the body?
For face use LOW+HIGH = middle intensity, for very sensitive and baby skin use LOW, for body you can use HIGH.
I see that on the M2 you have 2 different ion programs especially for the eyes. What would be the equivalent setting with the M1 & why only ion for the eyes?
The conventinal program you can use all over the face (ION+ULTRA) Use the skull bone around the eye as borderline. If you want to use SQOOM concept near to the eye, use only ION with only LOW. So there’s no danger for the sensitive eyeball. (My ? to Merbe owners - Is it possible to use Ion or US only without any of the modes selected? Sorry if I have asked this before!)
(This is the same combination M2 program I)
Frankly the word periosteum scared me so I will NOT be purchasing the Beauly Si - Slim.
They also sent me a list of the ingredients for the gels - which I believe have been posted here except the Booster so here they are :
Ingredients (INCI):
Cyclopentasiloxane, Dimethicone, Cyclohexasiloxane, Dimethicone Crosspolymer,
Ethylhexyl Palmitate, Silica Dimethyl Silylate, Butylene Glycol, Caprylyl Glycol,
Sodium Hyaluronate
(Can you say mega silicones!)
Also the Aqua Plus:
Ingredients (INCI): Aqua (Water), Pentylene Glycol, Glycerin, Hamamelis Virginiana
(Witch Hazel) Extract, Alcohol, Sodium Carboxymethyl Betaglucan, Citric Acid
They did not adequately answer all my ?'s so I will be going back for more!
HTH's! |
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:23 pm |
Sqoom gels are here! I got the Hyagel and the MedGel for rosacea. I will use and post later tonight! |
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:47 pm |
bethany wrote: |
Sqoom gels are here! I got the Hyagel and the MedGel for rosacea. I will use and post later tonight! |
Can't wait to hear your report. I am considering the Hyagel. I received gels from Rankines Remedies today. I also just ordered the Le Mieux 02 calming gel and cleansing gel. At some point I am going to have to stop and realize I have enough gels. |
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:56 pm |
I also can't wait to hear Bethany!
BTW packmackrat - do you mind sharing where you got the Le Mieux calming gel from & how much you paid? Also do you have the cleansing gel ingredient list?
Thanks! |
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:01 pm |
packratmack wrote: |
bethany wrote: |
Sqoom gels are here! I got the Hyagel and the MedGel for rosacea. I will use and post later tonight! |
Can't wait to hear your report. I am considering the Hyagel. I received gels from Rankines Remedies today. I also just ordered the Le Mieux 02 calming gel and cleansing gel. At some point I am going to have to stop and realize I have enough gels. |
Lol...better too much gel than too little! I will definitely be glad to weigh in.
I would also appreciate your perspective on the these devices vs the Pico down the road, and if you feel we need both (and which you prefer). My little BioWave doesn't really lift my eyes, and the Merbe has not yet either, so I am still considering the Pico now that you can get the probes. |
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:24 pm |
cabrita wrote: |
I also can't wait to hear Bethany!
BTW packmackrat - do you mind sharing where you got the Le Mieux calming gel from & how much you paid? Also do you have the cleansing gel ingredient list?
Thanks! |
I purchased the gel from http://www.karinherzog-jmilan.com It was $20.00.
Also, you need to register for an account or you won't be able to place an order. They sent me a 20% off code for my first order. Certain product lines are excluded though.
I am hoping the order goes through. This message is on the website. "Le Mieux Products are for JoElla Milan Enterprises existing clients only. Please call to order 866 568-8858" I will let you know if my order ships.
Sorry, I don't know the ingredients for the cleansing gel. But, the calming gel ingredients are nice, so I am hoping these are too. |
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:35 pm |
First impression on the Sqoom gels...different.
The HyaGel was clear, and actually much more runny than I was expecting. It also had a very strong smell of alcohol, which means it evaporated quite quickly. It took 3 pumps for my face, and lasted right about the designated 4 min cycle. I started a 2nd cycle after spritzing with Avene, and then the Sqoom ran out of juice. (I don't charge after every use, but will be now!). But after only 4 mins and the HyaGel, I really didn't see any earth shattering results. (8-12 mins and the Fyola gel gave better results, so there is a good chance that 8-12 with the HyaGels would give a better result as well)
Just from a feel standpoint, I actually prefer the Fyola Cleansing/Massage gel. Once I get my refill of that delivered, I will start with the HyaGel for the first cycle, and then follow up with a layer of the Fyola over the remnants for the rest of the treatment.
FYI that the MedGel is double the amount, is a bit creamier, and also smells like alcohol. I will try that tomorrow when the Sqoom is charged back up. |
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:51 pm |
cabrita wrote: |
(My ? to Merbe owners - Is it possible to use Ion or US only without any of the modes selected? Sorry if I have asked this before!)
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You must select a mode, but you can turn the Ion or US on or off for each mode.
I was able to select Ion only and no mode, but then the light on the back would not blink so I assume it wasn't working. |
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:56 pm |
bethany wrote: |
First impression on the Sqoom gels...different.
The HyaGel was clear, and actually much more runny than I was expecting. It also had a very strong smell of alcohol, which means it evaporated quite quickly. It took 3 pumps for my face, and lasted right about the designated 4 min cycle. I started a 2nd cycle after spritzing with Avene, and then the Sqoom ran out of juice. (I don't charge after every use, but will be now!). But after only 4 mins and the HyaGel, I really didn't see any earth shattering results. (8-12 mins and the Fyola gel gave better results, so there is a good chance that 8-12 with the HyaGels would give a better result as well)
Just from a feel standpoint, I actually prefer the Fyola Cleansing/Massage gel. Once I get my refill of that delivered, I will start with the HyaGel for the first cycle, and then follow up with a layer of the Fyola over the remnants for the rest of the treatment.
FYI that the MedGel is double the amount, is a bit creamier, and also smells like alcohol. I will try that tomorrow when the Sqoom is charged back up. |
I thought you were using the Merbe - have you bought the SQOOM now? |
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:58 pm |
Btw, for anyone purchasing a Sqoom/Merbe/Fyola, please try to get the appropriate plug for your country. The adaptor I am using is a pain in the butt, and I am going to have to try buying another one that hopefully makes a more secure connection. |
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:15 pm |
Keliu wrote: |
I thought you were using the Merbe - have you bought the SQOOM now? |
I am using the Sqoom gels with the Merbe, following the recommended Sqoom protocols. I should have said Merbe in my post above, but I guess I had Sqoom on the brain due to the gels! |
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:15 pm |
bethany wrote: |
Btw, for anyone purchasing a Sqoom/Merbe/Fyola, please try to get the appropriate plug for your country. The adaptor I am using is a pain in the butt, and I am going to have to try buying another one that hopefully makes a more secure connection. |
Bethany get one that is grounded. You don't really need the ground ( but it is nice) but the connection part is much more secure. I bought mine at Radio Shack. It is more money but it works better then the cheap ones that come with some of my gadgets. |
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:16 pm |
CookieD wrote: |
bethany wrote: |
Btw, for anyone purchasing a Sqoom/Merbe/Fyola, please try to get the appropriate plug for your country. The adaptor I am using is a pain in the butt, and I am going to have to try buying another one that hopefully makes a more secure connection. |
Bethany get one that is grounded. You don't really need the ground ( but it is nice) but the connection part is much more secure. I bought mine at Radio Shack. It is more money but it works better then the cheap ones that come with some of my gadgets. |
Ok...I will hunt that down this week! |
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Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:09 am |
I can't remember if this has been posted or not, but here is an interesting overview on the efficacy of the Sqoom gels and some of the ingredients.
http://drserene.com/files/SQOOM_anti-age-studies.pdf |
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Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:13 am |
Thanks packmackrat for the info on the LeMieux. I ordered both also & JoElla read off the cleanser ingredients & they sounded good! (seems to me she should really post ingredients on her website but (darn!) I forgot to suggest this! )
And thanks Bethany for confirming that a mode must be selected in order for the Merbe to function.
I am a bit surprised Sqoom has so much alcohol in their gels - so am wondering how your skin is faring today after the Hyagel treatment. My skin is SOOO dry I think I will have to pass especially since you say they smell strongly of alcohol! |
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Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:35 pm |
I had a conversation with a consultant for Le Mieux. I asked for the molecular wgt. of their hyurlaronic acid, which they use so liberally in most of their products.
She said it is 20 million daltons. She also said they take into consideration inflammation cascades in the skin and always balance their products with ingredients that will address any potential inflammation. The CEO of the company is Korean and is, according to her, very picky about the ingredients used, and always sources them carefully. |
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Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:33 pm |
FYI that I am starting to warm up to the Sqoom gels. Tonight I used both the MedGel RO and the HyaGel...the alcohol smell didn't seem so prevalent, but that is probably because I was not inspecting things so closely.
What I did like is that you are not left with a goopy face of gel that has to be wiped off (though it is a bit sticky even after it dried). I suppose you are techically using less because you aren't wasting any. However, to preserve my pricey gels a bit I still plan to layer a bit of the Fyola gel over the Sqoom gel and see if I can stretch it a bit farther. In the meantime, the Avene water is absolutely critical in order to finish a cycle.
FYI that I did a MedGel cycle on Massage followed by a HyaGel cycle on Massage. I will factor in the Lift cycle again once the Fyola gel gets here.
I am also treating my neck and chest, but am using only the HyaGel (no MedGel).
ETA: my skin looks better after using the Fyola gel, than after using the Sqoom gels. But I am going for long term results, so I need to be patient. |
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Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:55 pm |
Noticed something interesting tonight. The marionette line on the left side of my face used to go straight down, and now it is going to the side...a definite sign of skin tightening and lifting. I'll take it! My neck rings are also looking much better than they have in the past, which is encouraging.
At this stage, I 100% attribute this to the Sqoom/Fyola/Merbe unit as opposed to any specific gels. I am very impressed....this has definitely been worth the money at this point. And way less painful than dermarolling, lol. |
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Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:12 pm |
bethany wrote: |
Noticed something interesting tonight. The marionette line on the left side of my face used to go straight down, and now it is going to the side...a definite sign of skin tightening and lifting. I'll take it! My neck rings are also looking much better than they have in the past, which is encouraging.
At this stage, I 100% attribute this to the Sqoom/Fyola/Merbe unit as opposed to any specific gels. I am very impressed....this has definitely been worth the money at this point. And way less painful than dermarolling, lol. |
That's great Bethany! Any before and after pics? Marionette lines are my biggest concern so any tightening and lifting in that area would be great.
I was hoping that a deal on the Merbe/Fyola would show up on Ebay, but I guess I'm just going to have to bite the bullet and pay full price. Anybody from Canada ordered this? I'm wondering what I am looking at for taxes and duty.
Also, is anyone DIYing their own gels? |
_________________ 48 years old. Very acne prone. Staples: Retin-A/Tazorac and C serum. |
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Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:25 pm |
doodles wrote: |
Also, is anyone DIYing their own gels? |
I have a Merbe. I mixed up some spray-able gel with sea emollient, HA and glycerine (recipe is posted on the ultrasound thread). It's ok, I thought spray-able would be a good way to go, but next time I will make it thicker and put into an airless pump.
I used regular HA, not the low molecular weight. |
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Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:37 pm |
ShastaGirl wrote: |
doodles wrote: |
Also, is anyone DIYing their own gels? |
I have a Merbe. I mixed up some spray-able gel with sea emollient, HA and glycerine (recipe is posted on the ultrasound thread). It's ok, I thought spray-able would be a good way to go, but next time I will make it thicker and put into an airless pump.
I used regular HA, not the low molecular weight. |
Have you noticed any improvements from using your Merbe with your DIY gel?
I'm thinking of using aloe leaf juice, xylitol - it's supposed to have moisturizing properties and my skin can't handle glycerin, and maybe a couple of water soluble actives. I'm not going to use LMW HA either, I'm just not sure its the way to go. I think if I make it in very small batches that I can get away without using a preservative. The Sqoom gels don't have a preservative, but I'm wondering if the high alcohol content does the job? |
_________________ 48 years old. Very acne prone. Staples: Retin-A/Tazorac and C serum. |
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Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:56 pm |
doodles wrote: |
ShastaGirl wrote: |
doodles wrote: |
Also, is anyone DIYing their own gels? |
I have a Merbe. I mixed up some spray-able gel with sea emollient, HA and glycerine (recipe is posted on the ultrasound thread). It's ok, I thought spray-able would be a good way to go, but next time I will make it thicker and put into an airless pump.
I used regular HA, not the low molecular weight. |
Have you noticed any improvements from using your Merbe with your DIY gel?
I'm thinking of using aloe leaf juice, xylitol - it's supposed to have moisturizing properties and my skin can't handle glycerin, and maybe a couple of water soluble actives. I'm not going to use LMW HA either, I'm just not sure its the way to go. I think if I make it in very small batches that I can get away without using a preservative. The Sqoom gels don't have a preservative, but I'm wondering if the high alcohol content does the job? |
I'm not really seeing a lot of improvement with either the DIY gel or the Fyola gel - I alternate. Maybe a slight improvement around the eyes, but my problem area is the lower face.
I think small batches with no preservative could be ok for up to a week, if you refrigerate it.
I was thinking of trying the Sqoom gels, but pushing alcohol deeper in my skin isn't appealing (I'd rather drink it! ) |
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Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:05 pm |
ShastaGirl wrote: |
I was thinking of trying the Sqoom gels, but pushing alcohol deeper in my skin isn't appealing (I'd rather drink it! ) |
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Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:39 am |
doodles wrote: |
I'm thinking of using aloe leaf juice, xylitol - it's supposed to have moisturizing properties and my skin can't handle glycerin, and maybe a couple of water soluble actives. I'm not going to use LMW HA either, |
Hi Doodles, any reason you don't want to use just regular weight HA instead of aloe? I am thinking that using HA is an important part of the treatment. |
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Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:27 pm |
CookieD wrote: |
I am thinking that using HA is an important part of the treatment. |
Agreed!
bethany wrote: |
At this stage, I 100% attribute this to the Sqoom/Fyola/Merbe unit as opposed to any specific gels. I am very impressed....this has definitely been worth the money at this point. And way less painful than dermarolling, lol. |
I want to clarify this comment I made last night...I think the Sqoom/Fyola/Merbe unit is responsible for helping to drive the changes I am seeing, but to Cookie's point above I think HA is the other critical component.
Without the HA filling those moisture reservoirs, I doubt you will see the same level of improvement. So an HA gel (and lots of it) and the device are both important. |
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