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free skin care · Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:13 pm

karenlee wrote:

Lowbrowscientist wrote:

The idea of adding HA to the inner layers of the skin is intriguing, though, and I do think I would benefit from that quite a bit. So I'll be paying close attention to this thread, and everyone's results. Fingers crossed that Merbe/Sqoom users find (or learn how to DIY) high-quality but cost effective gels, and see prolonged and sustainable benefits.

The moisure-plumping this device + gel gives is nothing short of amazing.

Like getting flabby when you give up on gym and diet for a while, so your skin will regress if you stop pampering (I'm always amazed at people looking for that thing that will make them look good permanently with no upkeep - no such thing, we are all dying, slowly). I - being a lazy cow - gave up on Sqooming my chest; slowly, my ugly V wrinkles came back, but I was so busy and besides, the weather was so bad I didn't care.

But now, in prep for my holiday, I've been Sqooming there again. I swear, all it takes is 3 days of concentrated action (8 minutes N in the morning and 8 minutes N again in the evening) to completely (and I mean *completely*) smooth that area.

BTW - I did mention this before - I tried to use the Environ moisturising gel and colustrum gel with the Sqoom, and actually got good results. However, I couldn't bear the stickiness of those products, so I went back to the Sqoom gel, but someone else may want to try those.

Karenlee, I have been thinking about your comment above.

Do you think it is fair to say that the Sqoom helps hide aging through moisturization, or do you think it has physically reversed skin aging at all for you? (Meaning would your skin still look better if you stopped the Sqoom vs not using it at all?)

free skin care · Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:32 pm

It sounds like the Squoom helped but in stopping it all came back. The good news in when she picked it up again the positive results showed up quickly.

Someone else posted this - was it Catski who said she looked worse when she stopped.

Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:54 pm

Are there any good before and after photos for any of these ultrasound devices?

Wed Sep 04, 2013 11:22 pm

Am I missing something?

Sqoom DeSpot Ingredients:

Doesn't seem to contain any ingredients that are a "big deal"??

free skin care · Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:32 am

sister sweets wrote:

It sounds like the Squoom helped but in stopping it all came back. The good news in when she picked it up again the positive results showed up quickly.

Someone else posted this - was it Catski who said she looked worse when she stopped.

That was for the UP5, not the Sqoom.

catski wrote:

Thanks keliu.

I havent used my up5 very much. I found that in the lifting mode, it gave a great effect..but a few days later, if I didnt continue to use it, I looked awful..which scared me, rather. My skin looked saggy. I stopped altogether and my skin returned to normal.

I am wondering if the Sqoom (and the actives) actually assists with any collagen/elastin generation, or if the temporary HA plumping is really all that happens.

free skin care · Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:14 am

bethany wrote:

I am wondering if the Sqoom (and the actives) actually assists with any collagen/elastin generation, or if the temporary HA plumping is really all that happens.

Don't know whether this study has been linked to before - it recommends using acids such as glycolic or salicylic in adjunct to the ultrasound:

http://www.shahfacialplastics.com/effects-low-frequency.html

Quote:

Therapeutic ultrasound frequency ranges from 1-3 MHz. At 1 MHz, ultrasound waves may extend down beyond 2 cm reaching the musculoskeletal soft tissues. At the higher frequency, 3 MHz range, ultrasound energy is subject to much more friction and is attenuated by dermal and subcutaneous collagen therefore penetrating less than 2 cm.1 Ultrasound generated heat has been shown to increase collagen tissue extensibility, alter blood flow, and increase enzymatic activity.1 Many of the benefits of ultrasound energy may also be attributed to its non-thermal mechanisms.

free skin care · Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:27 am

Keliu, very interesting! I will check that out further. Thanks!

free skin care · Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:45 am

Keliu wrote:

Don't know whether this study has been linked to before - it recommends using acids such as glycolic or salicylic in adjunct to the ultrasound:

http://www.shahfacialplastics.com/effects-low-frequency.html

That's a well done study. Thanks Keliu.

Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:26 am

bethany wrote:

sister sweets wrote:

It sounds like the Squoom helped but in stopping it all came back. The good news in when she picked it up again the positive results showed up quickly.

Someone else posted this - was it Catski who said she looked worse when she stopped.

That was for the UP5, not the Sqoom.

catski wrote:

Thanks keliu.

I havent used my up5 very much. I found that in the lifting mode, it gave a great effect..but a few days later, if I didnt continue to use it, I looked awful..which scared me, rather. My skin looked saggy. I stopped altogether and my skin returned to normal.

I am wondering if the Sqoom (and the actives) actually assists with any collagen/elastin generation, or if the temporary HA plumping is really all that happens.

Maybe so if you just used the hyaluronic gel. Dr Serene said (in her face exercise thread) that she doesn't do fillers anymore because of her sqoom results. I wouldn't mind a device that gives that kind of results, even if they are temporary. It's cheaper and less stressful than getting fillers.

But what about if you use certain collagen building actives, pushing them deep into the skin. I would guess that the results might be more than temporary plumping, and you would get some regeneration of collagen/elastin, eventually. It's all in your hands! (ps anyone know what helps build elastin?)

free skin care · Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:42 am

wishee wrote:

bethany wrote:

I am wondering if the Sqoom (and the actives) actually assists with any collagen/elastin generation, or if the temporary HA plumping is really all that happens.

Maybe so if you just used the hyaluronic gel. Dr Serene said (in her face exercise thread) that she doesn't do fillers anymore because of her sqoom results. I wouldn't mind a device that gives that kind of results, even if they are temporary. It's cheaper and less stressful than getting fillers.

But what about if you use certain collagen building actives, pushing them deep into the skin. I would guess that the results might be more than temporary plumping, and you would get some regeneration of collagen/elastin, eventually. It's all in your hands! (ps anyone know what helps build elastin?)

Wishee - very well said!

free skin care · Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:22 am

wishee wrote:

(ps anyone know what helps build elastin?)

Hi wishee, I dont think there are any actives which can build elastin but betulinic acid, Phloretin, ceramides helps to prevent it's degradation.

I think skin needling and reaura laser n like may promote new elastin.

free skin care · Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:22 pm

bethany wrote:

Karenlee, I have been thinking about your comment above.

Do you think it is fair to say that the Sqoom helps hide aging through moisturization, or do you think it has physically reversed skin aging at all for you? (Meaning would your skin still look better if you stopped the Sqoom vs not using it at all?)

I think it's the moisturization - on my chest, I get almost instant elimination of what looks like deep wrinkles; these are obviously just the result of neglect and dehydration. On my forehead, however, I have a severe frown which I have inherited from my mother and which I believe to have genetic roots. It gets miniscully softer, but the Sqoom has definitely never replicated the effect of fillers in this area.

However, that is on *my* face, and someone else may find that their frown is mostly down to dehydration and the Sqoom may almost completely eliminate this. So yes, I believe the results I've seen are from deep hydration.

On the other hand, while my chest did regress from my first set of results, it never went back to how it was in the 'before' pics I posted on the Skindream site.

But honestly, all this talk of rebuilding collagen etc - ladies, NOTHING is going to turn back the clock. As I said, if I go to gym regularly I will build *new* muscle - but that muscle won't just hang around if I stop gym - it will wither. It requires maintenance to keep the new muscle. So, if you have a gadget that triggers collagen, it will probably be the same concept - that collagen will only stay topped up for as long as you gadget. Stop, and soon things will revert, like a lovely lawn you stop caring for will revert back to weeds. It's just what it is - we are all decomposing, and there's absolutely nothing we can do to stop that happening, nothing is going to permanently reverse the process. I think someone people are looking for the holy grail of doing 10 treatments of x and voila, their skin has been triggered into being 20 forever. Not gonna happen.

You pretty much have to commit to life-long slavery over your gadget of choice, and for me it's the Sqoom. Because of the deep hydrating effect, it is (as I've already stated) the best ever thing for the morning after when you're looking a little rough - it gives an instant freshness.

free skin care · Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:32 pm

karenlee wrote:

But honestly, all this talk of rebuilding collagen etc - ladies, NOTHING is going to turn back the clock. As I said, if I go to gym regularly I will build *new* muscle - but that muscle won't just hang around if I stop gym - it will wither. It requires maintenance to keep the new muscle. So, if you have a gadget that triggers collagen, it will probably be the same concept - that collagen will only stay topped up for as long as you gadget. Stop, and soon things will revert, like a lovely lawn you stop caring for will revert back to weeds. It's just what it is - we are all decomposing, and there's absolutely nothing we can do to stop that happening, nothing is going to permanently reverse the process. I think someone people are looking for the holy grail of doing 10 treatments of x and voila, their skin has been triggered into being 20 forever. Not gonna happen.

so well said!

free skin care · Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:37 pm

karenlee wrote:

On the other hand, while my chest did regress from my first set of results, it never went back to how it was in the 'before' pics I posted on the Skindream site.

This was exactly what I was looking for.

And I definitely agree that no tool is the holy grail, and we have to keep our expectations realistic.

free skin care · Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:58 pm

If I can find the time in the w/end I will post my latest B-A pics of my chest. Amazing what can happen in a week.

Bethany I'm loving the lips routine you posted. Have you tried it? The Massage which gives an ugly red face after makes my lips beautifully vivid, and the Nutrition plumps them out. I love the effect!

Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:01 pm

daler wrote:

wishee wrote:

(ps anyone know what helps build elastin?)

Hi wishee, I dont think there are any actives which can build elastin but betulinic acid, Phloretin, ceramides helps to prevent it's degradation.

I think skin needling and reaura laser n like may promote new elastin.

thanks for the info, no wonder I couldn't find an answer to this.

karenlee wrote:

But honestly, all this talk of rebuilding collagen etc - ladies, NOTHING is going to turn back the clock. As I said, if I go to gym regularly I will build *new* muscle - but that muscle won't just hang around if I stop gym - it will wither. It requires maintenance to keep the new muscle. So, if you have a gadget that triggers collagen, it will probably be the same concept - that collagen will only stay topped up for as long as you gadget. Stop, and soon things will revert, like a lovely lawn you stop caring for will revert back to weeds. It's just what it is - we are all decomposing, and there's absolutely nothing we can do to stop that happening, nothing is going to permanently reverse the process. I think someone people are looking for the holy grail of doing 10 treatments of x and voila, their skin has been triggered into being 20 forever. Not gonna happen.

Absolutely agree with you here! That's why I'm trying to find out what really helps, so I'm not wasting my time for nothing. I like that the sqoom/merbe/fyola don't take a huge time investment in my day.

free skin care · Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:19 pm

karenlee wrote:

Bethany I'm loving the lips routine you posted. Have you tried it? The Massage which gives an ugly red face after makes my lips beautifully vivid, and the Nutrition plumps them out. I love the effect!

How long does that effect last, Karenlee?

If I were to do that a couple hours before a big event, for instance, would the results linger throughout the evening (or day)?

Thanks, Bethany, for the great questions, and thank you Karenlee for giving us the scoop Very Happy

free skin care · Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:31 pm

karenlee wrote:

If I can find the time in the w/end I will post my latest B-A pics of my chest. Amazing what can happen in a week.

Bethany I'm loving the lips routine you posted. Have you tried it? The Massage which gives an ugly red face after makes my lips beautifully vivid, and the Nutrition plumps them out. I love the effect!

I would love to see the pics! And no I have not yet tried the lip treatment, but will next time!

free skin care · Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:42 pm

LBS, yes, the results definitely last. I started off being quite aggressive, doing treatments in the am and again in the pm, and got good results quite quickly. After a week or two, doing 2 treatments a day was keeping my skin topped up. I eventually got lazy and went on to one treatment a day, then a treatment every other day, and things were fine. But of course you get used to the change so you don't appreciate it, so you get slack again. Then we had some home renovations and I didn't do anything at all for about 4 months, and I looked tired (probably because I was tired ). Laughing

My chest regressed very slowly I think - it got expensive and time consuming so I stopped for a long time, maybe 8 months or more.

I think this is a gadget where you can get to the point of once per week maintenance - but I haven't proved it because I'm either all or nothing Rolling Eyes

free skin care · Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:50 pm

LBS, I just thought of an example - my chest really crinkles when I sleep. When I wake up, I Sqoom, and see instant improvement. That improvement lasts all day.

I Sqoom again before bed. The next morning, the crinkling is there, but not as bad. I Sqoom again, and see further improvement. These new improvements last all day.

Wash, rinse and repeat for a week, and I'm now on one chest Sqoom per day (at night) and my chest is smooth when I wake up and for all of the next day.

free skin care · Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:54 pm

daler wrote:

karenlee wrote:

But honestly, all this talk of rebuilding collagen etc - ladies, NOTHING is going to turn back the clock. As I said, if I go to gym regularly I will build *new* muscle - but that muscle won't just hang around if I stop gym - it will wither. It requires maintenance to keep the new muscle. So, if you have a gadget that triggers collagen, it will probably be the same concept - that collagen will only stay topped up for as long as you gadget. Stop, and soon things will revert, like a lovely lawn you stop caring for will revert back to weeds. It's just what it is - we are all decomposing, and there's absolutely nothing we can do to stop that happening, nothing is going to permanently reverse the process. I think someone people are looking for the holy grail of doing 10 treatments of x and voila, their skin has been triggered into being 20 forever. Not gonna happen.

so well said!

Totally agree

free skin care · Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:58 pm

daler wrote:

wishee wrote:

(ps anyone know what helps build elastin?)

Hi wishee, I dont think there are any actives which can build elastin but betulinic acid, Phloretin, ceramides helps to prevent it's degradation.

I think skin needling and reaura laser n like may promote new elastin.

Actually, I believe that copper peptides are noted for helping to 'increase synthesis' of elastin & collegen(among other things). It's a nice topical that is not too expensive to try, wishee ,if you want to look into that. It helped firm up my skin quite a bit when I first started using it. You can PM me for more info if you like.

free skin care · Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:59 pm

karenlee wrote:

LBS, I just thought of an example - my chest really crinkles when I sleep. When I wake up, I Sqoom, and see instant improvement. That improvement lasts all day.

I Sqoom again before bed. The next morning, the crinkling is there, but not as bad. I Sqoom again, and see further improvement. These new improvements last all day.

Wash, rinse and repeat for a week, and I'm now on one chest Sqoom per day (at night) and my chest is smooth when I wake up and for all of the next day.

My chest could definitely use this...I have lines from sleeping on my side (which will never change, sigh).

free skin care · Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:10 pm

Some interesting info on the Sqoom gels:

http://drserene.com/files/SQOOM_anti-age-studies.pdf

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Quote:

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free skin care · Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:12 pm

Keliu wrote:

bethany wrote:

I am wondering if the Sqoom (and the actives) actually assists with any collagen/elastin generation, or if the temporary HA plumping is really all that happens.

Don't know whether this study has been linked to before - it recommends using acids such as glycolic or salicylic in adjunct to the ultrasound:

http://www.shahfacialplastics.com/effects-low-frequency.html

Quote:

Therapeutic ultrasound frequency ranges from 1-3 MHz. At 1 MHz, ultrasound waves may extend down beyond 2 cm reaching the musculoskeletal soft tissues. At the higher frequency, 3 MHz range, ultrasound energy is subject to much more friction and is attenuated by dermal and subcutaneous collagen therefore penetrating less than 2 cm.1 Ultrasound generated heat has been shown to increase collagen tissue extensibility, alter blood flow, and increase enzymatic activity.1 Many of the benefits of ultrasound energy may also be attributed to its non-thermal mechanisms.

This is great thanks Keliu. I have been hoping to read some studies on ultrasound. Cavitation is very interesting, as is the ability for enhanced penetration of actives as this has been the age old problem. If this can be achieved minus the inflammation that I get from short length dermarolling, than it is great.

I have been using my fyola/merbe/sqoom since May, and can happily say wrinkles I have had for ten years have completely gone bye bye. I also did two dermapen treatments that I found highly effective, but my parenthesis lines (smile lines?) around my mouth have been there for ten years, one side quite deeply, and there is not so much as a faint reminder of it now. Literally zilch (just reviewed on the 'what do you use thread'). The rest of my face has been rid of any wrinkles also, which I put down mainly to the combo of these two devices. I am thrilled people are catching on to this wonderful modality. It is my favorite. Although I love dermapen results, I hate doing it, and I am about to start reaura which I imagine will also cause inflammation for me. For me using U/S is not boring but relaxing. I can read while doing it, and I use the head like a massage 'knob' and get deep under cheek muscles etc to release tension, as well as just using it in a lymphatic drainage technique, working towards the nodes by the ears, frequently clearing down the neck.

By the way, the cheaper device I bought, the 3mhz TIA model from eBay does a far better job at lymph drainage, and actually feels quite strong, but I use my fyola for general product penetration, skin care, and bring out the 3mhz when I am puffy. It drains my eye bags and face within minutes. The fyola is a different beast entirely as far as how it feels and seems to act on the skin. Also for those interested, I bought a refurbished model, and was thrilled with both the price and the quality. It may as well be brand new. Customer service is fantastic also.

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